Please be aware of what the top 1 percent are doing...

[CoffeeCat]

I've worked in public relations for many years--mainly helping high-tech and biotech companies manage their reputations and gain media attention. I don't
work for companies that lie. For example, I would never EVER work for BP. However, I do leverage cool technologies and help companies manage information.

With that said, I tend to notice when the public is being manipulated into believing specific messages (articles linked at bottom of this post).

I've noticed a recent trend and I think OWS and "We The People" need to be aware of it, so they can counter it. The corporatists and neocons who have
gained underserved power in this country have realized that they can't stop the OWS movement; and that intimidating it into extinction won't work. Too many
cell-phone cameras for that. They just simply can't get away with it.

When all else fails, these types will attempt to define you as something that you're not--in order to stop growth and interest. We all know that right-wing
radio talking points come from the corporatists and the neocons. Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and others manipulate information for the Koch Brothers, the PNACers/neocons,
other corporate interests and the corrupt politicians. They lie. The misinform. They keep us divided--because an informed, UNITED America simply
topples the crimes and lies of this very tiny minority of scam artists.

I listened to Limbaugh the other day, and there is a new meme. It's catching on in the MSM and I've seen articles and blogs with the same meme. It's
orchestrated. It's concerted, and no doubt--it was developed in a room full of one-per-centers who are responding to the effectiveness of OWS.

What is the meme? The meme is that OWS started in the White House and is the brainchild of the Obama Administration. They're not just tying the
movement to Obama--but to the load of negative and lie-based propaganda that the right wing spread about Obama during the campaign. They're
suggesting that the Weather Underground and Bill Ayers love OWS, as do the "Marxists"--because of course, Obama is a Marxist, right?

See how this works? The one-per-centers find a way to infiltrate and divide. They can't have "We The People" joining forces against corporate corruption
and the economic terrorism that these corporations and our politicians have waged against all of us. They must continue to make us HATE each other.
They must divide us. They must stoke the "Ayers" and "Weather Underground" fires that kept us loathing each other during the 2008 campaign.

They fear unity. So they must keep us fighting about FAKE, NON-ISSUES (birth certificates, Marxism, Bill Ayers, Socialized Medicine, etc). Fights about
non issues drown out the truth---that the corporations own our government. That our politicians have been bought by the corporations that amassed
unprecedented power. That we no longer have a democracy because our politicians serve the corporations--not "We The People".

OWS is not about one politician. It's not about being against any politician either. I haven't seen one pro-Obama sign NOR have I seen one anti-Obama
sign in the OWS protests. This movement is NOT ABOUT ANY POLITICIAN. OWS is about "We The People" taking back their country and their democracy.

The one-percent neocons and corporatists cannot allow that main message to stand. Because you know what happens if it does? The movement grows.

We need to counter the disinformation. Blog about it. Write about it on your FB page. Make signs and carry them in OWS protests and communicate
that this is NOT about any politician--it's about fighting corruption within the entire system.

And make no mistake--the one per centers are afraid of this UNITY message. I wrote a comment under the You Tube video "I will not move". It was
a message of unity--about corporate corruption infiltrating both Democratic and Republican parties. I said that we need to unite or else all of us lose
our democracy--and now is the time to band together--not fight each other. The comment was up voted to the #1 comment. Until it totally disappeared.

They're working against the organic growth of this movement---so please be aware of what they're doing and counter it WHERE EVER YOU SEE IT. It is important
to comment on You Tube videos, FB statuses, and on the comment sections of articles. It does matter.

We cannot dismiss right-wing propaganda and the rantings of right-wing radio personalities as meaningless. Their combined efforts serve the one percent
and also helped Gingrich get his revolution in 1996. We have to be aware of what they're doing--and counter it with the TRUTH.

We've come too far to be affected by liars, snake-oil salesmen and charlatans who are the mouthpieces for the Koch Brothers, the military-industrial complex,
Wall Street, the pharmaceutical companies, Monsanto, the Neocons and PNACers--and all of the spineless, unworthy politicians who have sold our democracy to these corporations.

**********************---------ARTICLES--EXAMPLES OF THIS PROPAGANDA----------PLEASE COMMENT AND COUNTER***************************

RUSH LIMBAUGH--"CLUELESS PIG WALL STREET PROTESTERS (IN A DEMOCRAT'S PARK) ARE DUPES OF OBAMA
http://WWW.RUSHLIMBAUGH.COM/daily/2011/10/14/clueless_pig_wall_street_protesters_in_a_democrat_s_park_are_dupes_of_obama

http://financialsurvivalradio.com/another-message-from-dr-thorne-ows-protesters-are-the-enemies-of-freedom/

WASHINGTON POST
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-plans-to-turn-anti-wall-street-anger-on-mitt-romney-republicans/2011/10/14/gIQAZfiwkL_story.html

GLEN BECK "This is a Marxist Revolution" Also ties OWS specifically to Obama
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/10/15/glenn-on-oreilly-factor-occupy-wall-street-global-in-nature/

RANDOM BLOGS--"Occupy Wall Street Revealed to be About Obama Front Groups" (MANY BLOGS ARE CARRYING THIS MEME)
http://patdollard.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-revealed-to-be-all-about-obama-front-groups/

[WinkyDink]

1. The terms "Nazis" and "Communists" are out there now.

[phasma ex machina]

5. Ironic how the Fascist-Corp mass media manufactures a story about their own Nazi peons. nt

[Remember Me]

28. And what's hilarious is that the Nazis hated the Communists

That's one piece (at least) of how we became so anti-Communist as a culture, frankly. After we brought so many ex=Nazis into the U.S. during Operation Paperclip, to serve in our brand-spanking new CIA, tbey spent a GREAT deal of time trying to ferret out any Communists. That's what they'd been doing in the war, that's what we wanted them to do, that's what they did.

And it makes sense -- the Nazis (and other fascists) were /are all about Corporate power; Communism as an ideology (forget how it was practiced), is all about control by the people.

The antagonism is so deeply entrenched and visceral that whenever I encounter any one or group being hyper anti-Communist, I pretty much know there's a fascist lurking underneath, whether they know it or not.

IOW: they're mutually exclusive. You literally can NOT be a fascist and a communist, and very unlikely to be able to work together either.

[AntiFascist]

32. ++

think of Sun Myung Moon, he was too blatently fascistic even for the anti-Communists!

[brewens]

39. Reference what people that call themselves Nazi's have to say

to fight that. I keep seeing people on the right trying to say fascism is a left wing thing. They get away with that because the Nazi party was called the the National Socialist Workers Party. What it evolved into was nothing of the sort of course.

There's all kinds of footage of American Nazi groups. There was nothing left wing from those guys ever.

[coalition_unwilling]

55. The first groups that Hitler went after following his appointment as

Chancellor were not the Jews or other untermenschen, but the Commies, Socialists and trade-union leaders.

The Nazis may have pioneered this propaganda technique of linking together two seemingly exclusive entities as a single negative, e.g., "Bolshevik Jews". Laughably absurd (unless you belonged in one of the two groups). And I hope I don't need to explain on this board why "Bolshevik Jew" as used by Hitler was an oxymoron.

[PurgedVoter]

66. Kind of like the word Islamofascist

You are right, it is absurd, but a large enough group of people are always willing to fall for this stuff. When an absurd meme is first floated, it is easy to back off from it as humor if it flops or goes negative. Afterwards, since it makes no sense at all, it can be used as a code word owned only by the 'right' people to influence the mood of the conversation. If needed a more specific meaning can be assigned later. While the truth has always had a bias toward the thinking man, Orwellian nonsense belongs to liars.

Think about it, what does Islam and Fascism have in common?

Wait I may be wrong, I have come up with an answer that is both fascist and Islamic. Halliburton!

[Remember Me]

84. LOL -- You're RIGHT, that is both at once. Very clever. nt

[jwirr]

74. Yes, and he infiltrated that National Socialist Party to take it over.

That is why it is so ironic that anyone thinks he was a socialist. Socialist workers of the day were dissatisfied with the economic conditions in Germany at the time. He infiltrated them and convinced them that he had the answers. Once convinced they were no longer socialist but fascist.

Something like what is happening to the rethug party right now - tbaggers are taking over the party. That is what Hitler did to that Socialist party they think he belonged to.

[defendandprotect]

53. Notice the story last week of "DIRTY" OWS "destroying Wall St. bathrooms '' !!

That was picked up by Jon Stewart -- not to turn it around -- but to push it further!!

Stewart immediately offered a skit where Samantha Bee escorted a OWS protester into a

MacDonald's bathroom -- made sure that he cleaned up after himself -- and then bo ught

him a doughnut ....

because the further claim was that the protesters were using bathrooms and not buying

anything!!


The RW is Goebbels' propaganda -- remember how "dirty" the inmates in the concentration

camps were? They just refused to bathe!!



Oh, and thanks to Jon Stewart again for adding to the confusion --

Stewart fell off the liberal track quite a while back and actually became harmful!!

[w0nderer]

80. rotflmao

trickle up economics in action

the protesters protest, journalists go there
the journalists spend money at mcD's
people at mcD's can spend money supporting protesters

...
:sarcasm: this post tagged for the impaired of sarcasm detection

[Dont call me Shirley]

82. I noticed that about JS, quit watching him quite a while ago because of it.

[pangaia]

64. WHICH?

So which are they.. Nazis.... OR... Communists.. Can't be both. HA HA!! :>))))
Two differences between the right and the rest of us... brain power and humor...

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. Watch them become more and more obviously desparate as their old tools fail.

"That means it's working." ;)

[Scuba]

3. Nothing new there. Limbaugh and his ilk are in for a rough ride. n/t

[firehorse]

4. Coffee Cat, make me some signs

what else besides this:

WE THE PEOPLE
taking back
our country
our democracy
99% UNITED

[CoffeeCat]

20. I love your sign idea...

...and any other ideas with a unity theme.


Republicans, Independents, Democrats--Restoring our Democracy!


Republicans, Democrats, Independents
We can return to partisan bickering LATER
but for now--we UNITE and SAVE OUR DEMOCRACY!

If the corporations control our politicians
Then there is no democracy for
Republicans
Independents
or Democrats
UNITE AND FIGHT!

[meow2u3]

31. Try this one

We're too busy taking back our country
to worry about partisan bickering

[firehorse]

40. Good ones :D

[jwirr]

75. Good ones. I want something to put in my porch window. I do not

have a car and kids will not drive me to the protests in Duluth. They are putting things on their FB accounts.

[Dembearpig]

81. How about . . .

To the 1%,

Your Wall Street killed our Main Street. We're here to return the favor.

Best regards,

The 99%

[CrispyQ]

79. We The People: Too Big to Fail

Wish I'd thought of it, but I read it over on Common Dreams.

[Enrique]

6. their first counter attack is the "we are the 53%"

which is the definition of divide and conquer. Literally split the 99% in half. The best answer to the "we are the 53%" is not to attack the 53% but to convince them we are in the same boat, and that their masters are not. When Erick Erickson says he "works three jobs", is what he does something that even remotely resembles your idea of working three jobs?

[a simple pattern]

12. The 53% has already been debunked

by some wonderful DUers

Honestly the more they fight us the stupider they look

[CoffeeCat]

21. I saw that...

the debunking was beautiful.

Their astroturfing and other pseudo-grass-roots movements are laughable.

[jwirr]

76. I was thinking we should come back to that with something like

"53% are part of the 99% but just do not know it".

[wundermaus]

7. Are you referring to this youtube video?

I AM NOT MOVING - Short Film - Occupy Wall Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjfhOPCPJnE

There are several mirrors of this video so please give a link so I can recommend your comment.

[CoffeeCat]

22. YES, that is the video...

I went back and posted my comment to several of the mirrors. I will post them. Thank you!

[Odin2005]

8. It's like they are all getting marching orders and regurgitate like robots.

[mother earth]

9. They have always sought to divide, it's unity of purpose they

fear most. The thing that has to be repeated over and over again is how the 99% is the working class, not dem, not repub, THE WORKING CLASS POOR...every one of us sees how we've been played and ripped off...this wave is not going away. The people are the game changers now, and the minute we say we are this or that to help divide we play into their hands. This is not about party, this is the middle class and poor struggling for survival...our gov't has been broken by TPTB to rob all of us and move on to other countries. This is about fairness, labor law, justice & JOBS.

You show me a (middle class) GOP'er that doesn't care about jobs being outsourced or the banksters getting away with crime...the Limbaugh mudslingers have to divide us & they know it.

[pretzel4gore]

10. the thing to remember is: THEY LOSE by winning

and win by losing. It's a peculiar conundrum (imagine sarah palin as Potus) and even if they blame o'bama for OWS, what benefits they?
Lady Guillotine, call the office!

[kentuck]

11. Kick

I had posted a post similar to yours and good to see we are on the same page.

[CoffeeCat]

23. Yes, Kentuck...

I always appreciate what you have to say.

:hug:

[underpants]

71. Yes

it is about time - people respect the time they are putting in and it makes the line of how this all happened less blurry.

[Mister Ed]

13. If this new RW meme succeeds, Obama and the Dems might benefit from it.

If the right-wing propagandists are successful in creating the impression that we have Obama and the Dems to thank for the OWS movement, it may just come back to bite them in the ass.

The OWS movement is exploding in popularity. I imagine Obama and the Dems would be very happy to ride the coat-tails of this popular movement into the 2012 election showdown. It would re-energize those voters who've become increasingly demoralized since placing their hope in Obama in 2008.

There's a saying that goes, "If a parade grows large enough, a politician will soon jump out in front and pretend to be leading it". The OWS parade is growing by leaps and bounds. Right-wing propagandists might do the Dems a big favor by creating the impression that Democrats are leading this parade.

[snot]

14. Thank you. To win the message war, we must WORK as hard & steadily as the 'cons do.

[starroute]

15. I think that line's too ludicrous to have much traction -- but there will be others

Most of what I've seen so far from the right seems strictly amateur hour. It requires you to believe the Glenn Beck line of conspiracy theory in which it's all part of an infernal 1960's playbook to clog up the system and bring capitalism to its knees. Or else there's the second-string version in which it's dirty hippies who are there for a second Woodstock and have no interests except smoking pot, having sex in their sleeping bags, and urinating on the ground. And the James O'Keefe types have certainly been doing their best to come up with hardcore hippie types to interview, but they haven't had much luck.

So neither of those worries me much. Although a few of the protesters are Marxists, and a few are would-be hippies, the vast majority are earnest liberals and reformers.

I think the more serious threat is that the police are trying to provoke violence so that they can slime the protests with it, and maybe also declare them terrorists and call in homeland security. There are already signs of this propaganda line being tried out -- one paper (I think it was the Washington Post) used a photo of rioting from the Italian protests yesterday to illustrate an article about the global movement. And there was apparently a claim by the New York police last night that one OWSer had thrown a brick through a store window -- an alleged incident that none of the actual protesters knew anything about.

I know that the protesters are very aware of this and are going out of their way to preemptively identify possible provocateurs in their midst and head them off. But remaining non-violent may be the most difficult challenge they face, especially as police crackdowns become more brutal.

[phasma ex machina]

18. The "dirty hippie" meme rolled out by the powers-that-be (Banksters-Fed & Fascist-Corps) to

discredit Vietnam-era pacifists still proves itself an effective Swiss knife for handling a variety of political situations after all of these decades.

[bvar22]

16. Orchestrated by the Obama White House?

Well, THAT explains all the "Obama 2012" signs at the OWS Protests!
.
.
.
Wait a minute.
There ARE none.

Most of the OWS protesters are just as angry with the Democrats as they are with the Republicans,
and rightly so.


You will know them by their WORKS.


Solidarity99!
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[CoffeeCat]

24. That's exactly right...

OWS is not about being for or against ANY politician. It's pro "We The People".

I wouldn't be surprised to see some "fake interviews" with pro-Obama people or pro-Obama signs. Now that the neocons/corporatists
think that this is their big idea--expect some fakery. We know they've got some 'actors" just waiting in the wings to take up their
foolish causes.

And if this stuff does happen--the fakery will be easy to spot. As you said, we haven't heard any pro-Obama OWSers nor has their
been any pro-Obama signs. Suddenly, when those fake accouterments show up--at a time when the neocons/corporatists are
attempting to spread this meme--it will be easily rooted out as FAKE.

[moondust]

17. Reminds me of a whopper I heard a couple weeks ago.

CNN reporter claimed there was a "growing belief" that the Obama administration was shipping guns to Mexico to promote more violence there in an effort to convince the American people that the assault weapons ban needs to be reinstated.

Here it is:

Drew Griffin: “The operation makes no sense, according to every law enforcement authority I’ve talked with. And that includes many ATF agents themselves. You don’t ever let a gun “walk”, as they say in this business, Anderson. Especially without any way to know where it is going.

So what’s the real purpose? The lack of sense, the apparent coverup, has opened the door for these conspiracy theorists – and you gotta follow this – they believe that this was part of a convoluted plan for the Obama administration and the attorney general to actually increase the level of violence on the Mexican border with assault weapons purchased in the US in an apparent attempt to rekindle interest in an assault weapons ban.

As wacky as that may sound, I must tell you that it is gaining traction not just among the Second Amendment crowd because this operation makes no other sense.”

http://thepatriotperspective.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/gunwalker-update-wtf-cnn/

Wow. :crazy:

[sabrina 1]

19. But the good news is that they are living in the past.

Despite all their efforts, OWS is more popular than both houses of Congress combined, than the President, but most important, it is more than twice as popular as the Tea Party. 54% V 27% are the odds against them and this movement just began and the media ignored it, mocked it, now are attacking it. But to no avail.

The reason it is popular is it has struck a chord. My Repub family agrees with it and despite the media blackout, over 80% of the public knows about it. So it looks like people are sick of these old, Fox, Limbaugh divisive tactics.

And yes, wherever people see lies, they should correct them, and they are. Yesterday millions around the world ignoring all the nasty, old, criminal propaganda machines, went out in the streets of over 900 cities and joined Occupwallstreet.

It will take more than last century's old, rightwing noise machine to stop this movement. The best way is to keep it growing until they are simply swept away in a virtual tsunami of real democracy.

[Enthusiast]

36. A HUGE PLUS ONE!

Something is very different this time. They can't just start shooting OWS, even though they would like to.

[lunatica]

25. The Right wing propaganda machine is what created the OWS

Without the right wing media and the Rush limbaughs the corporations would have never had the cover they needed to destroy the economy. We all know this. And this is the reason the OWS exists today.

Once a friend of mine told me that the difference between Americans and people from countries that have dictators is that they know they're being lied to. Well now we know it too. You can't unlearn lessons you've learned.

[RagAss]

30. Bingo ! It's too late for words !!!

[Enthusiast]

37. Excellent point........nt

[AverageJoe90]

44. You're even more misinformed.........

...that those sheep who bought into the claim that a radically anti-Semitic scumbag Estonian living in Vancouver somehow started this whole thing. God, people, wake up!

[lunasun]

48. NONE ARE MORE HOPELESSLY ENSLAVED THAN THOSE WHO FALSELY BELIEVE THEY ARE FREE

[dreamnightwind]

26. K & R

Wonderful OP, thank you.

[L0oniX]

27. \/

[RagAss]

29. It really doesn't matter what anybody says anymore.,,,,

It's too late to stop this thing now.

And the brave ones on the streets don't need a fucking MSM !

[cui bono]

33. And we need to stop comparing this to "Teabaggers" and their Tea Parties

and saying how these are real and those weren't, and these are so much better than the Tea Parties, as that is just as divisive. And stop saying "our" signs are spelled correctly.

We need to show everyone that this is their cause too. Be compassionate and bring them into the fight. Don't ridicule them and push them away.

[deutsey]

34. Watch "Century of the Self" for an insight into how the elites

manipulate and control people through PR tactics.

[lunasun]

47. oh that is a good one!!!! watch it if u have not

[kooljerk666]

77. "Century of the self" on youtube.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM

[Enthusiast]

35. Kicked and recommended!

This is a great OP!

This whole misinformation campaign might backfire on them this time. Too many people know it is a lie.

[Jim Warren]

38. Excellent post

Timely, erudite and well presented.

I've noticed or intuited these same observation but you have said it far better than I ever could.

Pass it on.

[Number23]

41. Abso freaking lutely

I haven't seen one pro-Obama sign NOR have I seen one anti-Obama
sign in the OWS protests. This movement is NOT ABOUT ANY POLITICIAN.

It is amazing to me that people who are constantly touting this movement, and who show so much "support" to it have to be told this. And yet, there is hardly a day that goes by where someone is not loudly asking "when OWS was going to set its sights on Obama" or even saying that OWS was some sort of bizarre primary of the president.

It is clear to many in the rest of the world what this movement is about, which is exactly why it's growing so quickly.

[sce56]

42. Well I have seen at Occupy LA both Ron Paul supportters as wel as LaRouche with their impeach Obama

Signs. So you need to know their are other points of view out there but of course I know they are trying to Blame or Credit Obama with this true grass roots movement.

[AverageJoe90]

43. One of their latest shenanigans has been trying to connect O.W.S. with a radical Jew-hater..........

.....from Vancouver, B.C. I am, of course, speaking about the scummy infiltrator and probable subversive(as in, trying to poison OUR movement) calling himself Kalle Lesn.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2130356

(Be careful when reading, though: the owner of the SpitfireList website unfortunately seems to have fallen for the Establishment's B.S. concerning O.W.S.'s origins, which is ironic because he usually sees right thru most of it.)

[lunasun]

50. Thanks I keep hearing RW's" this is an antisemitic movement" Didnt know origin

[AverageJoe90]

56. "Didnt know origin"

Can you clarify that, please? I'd appreciate it. :)

[CoffeeCat]

72. Glen Beck is pushing the OWS/ "anti Jew" meme

Last week, Beck had audio of a protester calling someone anti-Semitic names. This audio was supposedly from an OWS protest.

Beck pointed out, "Did you hear ANY of the protesters correcting the anti-Semitic comments??? NO!". Beck droned on and on
and tried to suggest that this audio of this outlier represented the entire movement--and was proof that OWS was anti-Semitic.

Beck spent at least a half hour on this--and he kept referring back to it.

It's the biggest load of garbage.

It sounds like this anti-Semitic meme is also being pushed by right-wing-radio charlatans--who obviously get their collective
talking points from the corporatists and neocons.

Sickening--and such LIES.

[live love laugh]

45. Everybody should "friend" the Occupy pages to their home pages so

your friends and family will begin to ask you about it.

I went to dinner with a friend Friday night and I was telling her about it. She was oblivious. It was kind of hard to explain the reasons for it but greed and corporate ownership of the gov't. were what I stuck with. She asked for an example. I used the drug companies. She got it immediately when I talked about their high prices and lobbying to get favorable laws.

She said this sounds like a conspiracy. I said yeah I know it does sound crazy. I told her sometimes I feel like I'm living in a Twilight Zone episode because so few people are aware of what's going on. I used The Big Lie paradigm from the Goebbels/Hitler era to explain how people will believe small lies but not in-your-face, over-the-top lies and how the corporate greed and deception we are dealing with is just that.

Each one teach one.

[lunasun]

46. why would OWS be overly concerned with politics when they are targeting the

source. It seems a given that mainstream politicians are just tools and 'none of the above' is the candidate of choice.

hey the new Anonymous video speaks to the ditto heads quite well at one pt.

"this is a cultural crisis and you are simply too stupid to understand"

These sheep posing as people will never get it and most seem stupid IMO

and how small minded and xeno of them -Did Obama ship 10,000 people to Spain and someone to Antartica???

Or is this part of his fascist/Muslim attempt to take over the world via banker/corporate protests???
plllllleeez:eyes:

[Desertrose]

49. Excellent points, CoffeeCat. Thx! K&R

[defendandprotect]

51. Obama is the 1% -- and the OWS 99% well know that -- !!

OWS 99% stand for everything that Obama isn't -- and nevere will be!

[Douglas Carpenter]

52. knr - scary to think people would believe their paranoid ravings - but unfortunately ....

[coalition_unwilling]

54. Each time I go to Occupy Los Angeles, I carry a sign that says

"Workers of the World Unite!" The sign gets uniformly positive reactions from OLA folks and almost uniformly positive reacitons from pedestrian and automotive passers-by. (There was a hilarious moment today when someone riding an MTA bus, i.e., definitely not a 1%er, gave me the finger when I showed him the sign - talk about someone confused about his class affiliation :)

The OWS movement has rendered the MSM and right-wing lackies and lickspittles irrelevant. That is its power. If I were in the ruling class right now, I'd be very scared.

[mother earth]

57. We shall not be minimized, the 99% is across the board and

encompasses all parties, all generations, all walks of life. It's working class poor, if you ask me, the disappearing middle class joining the ranks of borderline poverty, strugglin everyday.

[peacetalksforall]

58. There method is to flip the truth. Whatever is true about them is whaty

they claim Dems are doing. I let the Commies and Nazis labeling fly over my head because it is stupidly hackneyed, but not the Fascist claim. That is an obvious flip by the designers to deflect from the truth of the fascism in this country. The Limbaughs know it, but the followers don't get it.

Point 2 - all of their talking points filter down to their perfect messengers (Limbog, O'r, Hannity, etc.) and they dumb it down for the audience and it gets dumbed down further when they talk between them.

I agree with what you said.

I wonder if the architects of hate drums of the past century namely Communists, Nazis, Fascists, Socialists labeling smile when they realize the lingering benefits of their hate drumming.

[TBF]

59. K&R nt

[SpiralHawk]

60. Points worth bearing in mind

the k and the r

[Astabeth]

61. Message 'awaiting moderation'

I left the following message on the second link - the financial survival radio page. It is awaiting moderation - I guess I'll just have to wait and see if it gets approved.
-----
I don’t see how you can claim that people who are attempting to get their elected representatives to listen to them in order to make America better are “consciously attacking everything about America.” As far as I can tell, the main thing the protestors want is to limit the influence of these huge corporations in our federal government, which is supposed to represent the interests of the public, not large business.

[TBF]

62. The protestors message is that we want economic equality -

we are tired of 1% of the population owning and controlling most of the assets in this country.

How we go about that is debatable - some advocate campaign finance reform, others a wider safety net, others would like to see corporations limited in influence, and a few of us would truly like to have a new economic system all together. Right now we are all working together to get as much visibility on the issue as possible.

[w0nderer]

63. k&r for reading later n/t

[Blue_Tires]

65. thanks for this...

kick

[Jello Biafra]

67. On Saturday afternoon, during the Times Sq. rally....

I was watching Fake Business News and they discussed the OWS protesters. The panel in studio insinuated that they were dirty because they weren't showering and that there was prostitution and drugs at Zuccotti Park. It was probably the angriest I ever was watching something on television ever because I knew it was an outright lie. After I calmed down, I understood completely....Fox->Ruppert M->corporation->1%->aha

It's clear when you connect the dots.....

[secondwind]

68. Excellent, and spot on! K&R

[canuckledragger]

69. K & R

[Beam Me Up]

70. EXCELLENT thank you n/t

[jwirr]

73. This is why Democrats cannot come out and join in, that would destroy

the unity issue. What President Obama and Democrats can do is speak out on the issues and where possible take actions that will help the people. Here on DU we have been complaining that President Obama is ignoring the protesters. If he joins them he gives the rw pr ammunition against both himself and OWS.

[Aerows]

78. The "Hippies" smear wasn't working

Because polls are showing more than 70% support for OWS. They have to do something, because that's too many "hippies" to deal with. Now they have to make it all about Obama and "leftists" since, "leftists" is code for "anything the right wing blowhards don't like".

And you know what? That ploy is going to fail, too. Too many people are involved from diverse political points of view. You don't keep slamming Independents as disgruntled "hippies" and "lowlifes" without losing Independent support. They are doing themselves more harm than good.

They will realize that sometime next week after it has done irreparable harm to their campaign against the 99%, and then they will have to come up with something else. Most likely, it will be an escalation of police violence and agent provocateurs. They have a huge problem, though - people on the ground are filming, and identifying the agent provocateurs, so they will have to keep recycling people in and out. That diminishes credibility for the "anti-99%'ers".

Another problem they are running into is that every episode of police violence just makes more people galvanized to action. This latest "link it all to Obama and the Democrats" campaign is going to backfire spectacularly.

[blackspade]

83. Why I think that many of their ideas will fail.

First off, Nice OP. I don't believe for a minute that the 1% have given up. They have been at war with the 99% for at least a generation. But these folks are no historians or social scientists. I think that their basic understanding of human nature is fatally flawed.

'Weather Underground and Bill Ayers'

If this is the best they have, then they are fucked. Wheeling this one out may have worked for the over 60 set, but frankly as a Gen-x'er, the Weather Underground and Bill Ayers memo holds no fear. The Weather Underground was never a political force in the country or frankly common knowledge to folks since the 60's, so making some link to the OWS movement just dosen't resonate. I would bet it resonates even less to the post Gen-ex'ers.

The attempt to link this movment to Obama is a problem though. No matter how you feel about him, it is obvious that OWS needs to stay above the bullshit in DC. Right now the only polititians worth having are the ones that have been unwavering supporters of the people. If other polititians want to cross over, that is fine, but they should state why they are, so there is clarity to their purpose.