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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:20 AM
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We must shine a light on the Invisible Hand of Capitalism
We need to remove Healthcare and Education from our capitalistic system or we will all end up sick and stupid. Our minds and health should not be for sale.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:23 AM
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1. We must remove our capitalistic system period or we will all end up dead or enslaved.
Even if you fix those two areas you mentioned the capitalists still have way too much control over people. No institution is more authoritarian than a modern day corporation.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:51 AM
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12. You really don't want to go that far.....
Capitalists do a pretty fair job providing a wide variety of consumer goods and discretionary items. Countries that don't allow some of their citizens to invest their savings into little cottage businesses of making soaps or sandwiches, or running a repair shop, or growing turnips and selling their surplus at the marketplace have too much control over people. Capitalism works well when it sticks to its basic assumptions: low barriers to entry, lots of buyers and sellers, competition and price discovery.

Now corporations like the lots of buyers part, but they abhor competition and want to be able to set prices commensurate with their greed. They are capitalists only in the sense that they want to accumulate a lot of capital. If they get in some sort of financial trouble, then they are all for government subsidizing them and helping them out.

One thing that is true whether an enterprise is run as a capitalist corporation or as a government subsidized co-operative is that the workers are the ones who should be making the operating decisions.
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:25 AM
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2. but if it's invisible i don't know if shining a light on it will do anything?
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:29 AM
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3. True...what would a superhero use to see an invisible foe?
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:34 AM
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6. i guess they would try to throw some paint on it
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:36 AM
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8. As long as we are in the dark, everything is invisible.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:31 AM
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4. Our society is well on its way to being sick and stupid. And that's the way the corporate overlords
Edited on Tue Oct-18-11 10:50 AM by Raster

...prefer it. Sick, so they can profit off of our illness and misery, and too stupid to realize what is really going on.


But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! Its a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.


By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth.

Its called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

--George Carlin
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:32 AM
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5. I fear it's too late. Basically there is no one in power who is on our side. nt
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:35 AM
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7. What about OWS?
Is there really any power left in the people?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:41 AM
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9. Honestly, I don't know. I "hope" so...
:shrug:
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:47 AM
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10. Me too.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 10:50 AM
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11. Actually I want the caveats used
They include things such as regulation, no monopolies, things like that...

That regulation would include things like tight price controls or outright socialization. Yes, Smith wrote on this. His hand comes with caveats. Want to drive a "capitalist" nuts? Carry a copy of the holy writ and point to this...I got one now that no longer calls himself such since smith was a SICIALIST!!!!!!
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 11:05 AM
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13. Wow. I"m starting to think everyone to the left of Friedman is a socialist to some people.
Edited on Tue Oct-18-11 11:05 AM by white_wolf
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-11 02:15 PM
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14. Yup
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