Steve Jobs...Another Point Of View on His Death..

[rsmith6621]

Go Ahead and UNREC This to DEATH...Jobs was Committed Treason at the Expense of American Jobs.

[RegieRocker]

1. You got that right!

[OhioChick]

2. Rec to 0 n/t

[coalition_unwilling]

3. And another on this 1%er:

[Odin2005]

4. K&R! It's time to quit worshiping the rich parasite class.

[jeff47]

7. Jobs was not appreciated because he was rich.

He was appreciated for his ability to take stuff out of the lab and turn it into something that people can actually use.

His $$ is not being "worshiped", his abilities are. And getting lots of $$ for ones abilities is how it's "supposed to work".

[DirkGently]

18. Jobs made things that worked. All the gravedancing is despicable, whatever the claimed basis.

[Romulox]

5. Did we ever learn the names of the suicides at the Apple/Foxconn factory?

:shrug:

[jeff47]

8. Did we ever learn the names of the suicides at other Chinese factories?

Oh wait...it's only Apple that's we're supposed to complain about. HP, Dell, Lenovo, Motorola and all the other tech companies? Who cares.

The issue is the terrible state of Chinese labor policy, not one company. Which, ironically, requires better working conditions than Chinese labor policy. That's why you know about the suicides. The contract required outside auditors who revealed the suicides.

[Romulox]

9. That's a cake and eat it too type answer. If Apple has the power to dictate conditions, then they

are responsible for the substandard conditions of their workers.

You can't deploy "everybody's doing it" and "at least they're a *little* better!" at the same time--it's not logically coherent.

[jeff47]

10. The point is the conditions are not substandard

In that they are required to be above the standard in China.

A case can be made that Apple should either take the business elsewhere, or require US-style working conditions.

A case can also be made that better working conditions never came in massive leaps, but always incrementally. So Apple's slightly better conditions can more easily spread and gradually raise conditions everywhere. The triangle shirtwaist fire didn't instantly create the 40-hour work week with mandated breaks during the day. But the aftermath of that tragedy started things down the road.

Both cases have merit.

[alfredo]

16. Foxconn employes 450,000 plus workers. China's suicide rate

is around 14 per 100,000. As you can see, Foxconn does OK against the national average.


BTW, Apple is just one company that uses that plant.

[hlthe2b]

6. We have a screwed up society; screwed up priorities for sure...

But, if you or I died or most any of the 300 million others in the US, virtually no one will take note, virtually no one will cry.

I'm all for seeing Jobs fully--both the good and the bad he brought to the world, but I just don't see that focusing all our anger, disdain, and blame on this one man really gets us anywhere. The world is not black and white and few people are truly good or truly evil. Discuss him for his weakness, shortcomings and failures, but if you let the hyperbole drive the discussion, most people will (understandably) turn away. :shrug:

[AngkorWot]

11. "committed treason"

Really now?

[stuntcat]

12. 40 thousand people starve to death every single day

every day. 40,000. mostly children. And I had to watch MY fellow citizens practically worshipping a rich businessman.

makes me a tiny bit gladder that my years here are half over.

[jeff47]

14. "Rich" doesn't mean evil.

Jobs was pretty much a self-made man. Started in the garage, helped figure out how to take clunky technology and make it work for everyone, made lots of money doing it.

I can understand rage against a rich person who made their money via accounting gimmics, or inherited and pretended that they were better than everyone else, or buying up companies and laying everyone off.

But Job's case is of an admittedly flawed man who made a lot of money by creating successful companies from scratch. That's not evil.

[stuntcat]

17. yah!

I hear ya, totally. I don't mean to pick on him.

I only wish my fellow humans thought a teeny fraction as much about all the millions suffering as they do about the people our MSM talks about all day.
My feelings on this are nothing to do with Jobs though!, peace to him.

[polly7]

13. Isn't it possible to mourn every death caused by suffering and disease?

It's just basic human compassion, isn't it?

[LanternWaste]

15. Is there a precise amount of grief and sorrow we are each allocated...

Is there a precise amount of grief and sorrow we are each allocated which must then be dispensed on as as needed basis, or do we simply feel grief and sorrow when we are so compelled?

Regardless, I find it somewhat simplistic to believe that sorrow for one denies sorrow for another; and further, to presume that tears we ourselves do not personally observe must not exist.

[_ed_]

19. Steve Jobs was a scumbag billionaire

who donated scant little of his amassed fortune throughout his life. When he and Steve Woznacki were at Atari, Jobs stole both his money and intellectual property.


He's just another CEO. A rich, cold-hearted son of a bitch. He happened to design cheap electronics manufactured in China. Big fucking deal.

[Robb]

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... And you want to talk about how we're reacting to Steve Jobs??