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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:43 PM Original message |
Salon: Voting, not OWS, will Change America |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Those darn kids! Just go home and vote for whoever the Democrats deign to offer you! |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Yeah cause not showing up really helped |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Yeah, cause showing up really helped |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Letting the Rethugs take over will be a disaster. After the disaster of |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Nothing is stopping you from voting for candidates that you want. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Yeah cause winning Democratic majorities really brought "change" |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Only had a tiny majority for a short time |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. so.. you're saying that under the present system, voting Democratic can't bring meaningful change? |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Pretty much. |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Whereas I've just about lost complete faith in the Dems, I don't agree with "not voting" either |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. As long as the votes are counted |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Exactly. There was a small poll of the OWS protesters earlier on, |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. The way America changed in 2006 & 2008? |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. +1 |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. +1 |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think the OWS-ers have noticed something that Frank here hasn't... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Right. Our first step should be to put hatchets to electronic voting machines. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. But what will change electronic voting with proprietary software? nt |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well, the response to this is going just about how I figured. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. What franchise? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. My vote counted. If yours didn't then that's what you should be |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
10. let me guess the author |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes, because, you know, that's worked out SO well thus far. |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
14. The writer is engaging in historical revisionism |
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Fire Walk With Me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. Here's a little quote to counter that: |
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sam11111 (638 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. boycott? stupid. like the british suffragettes who poured glue into mailboxes |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. That's what the people who own the electronic "ballot boxes" want everyone to believe. nt |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. so...we can't have both?? |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. And we have a winner. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
22. Left-leaning people are trained not to vote |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
25. what would bring REAL change - if there was an economic collapse & our candidate won with a clear |
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dameocrat67 (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. There will be pie in the sky when I die! n/t |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
27. It's damned if we do, damned if we don't |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
28. Perhaps if the Democratic leadership would pause a moment from navel gaziing, |
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deacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. Nonsense. This movement will prove if there is a Sleeping Giant or not. n/t |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. Funny, because while voting's important, ALL major change has come through activism. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. I agree, but OWS does not seem to be about the political system really |
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War Horse (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. One thing I don't get |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
35. Perhaps Obama should had made some better choices in his selection of advisors |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-18-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
39. Just think, if we had 60 Democratic Senators and a Super Majority in the House, what we could get do |
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