LA teacher loses job over anti-Semitic comments

[slackmaster]

...In an Oct. 12 interview with Reason.com at a Los Angeles rally, McAllister said "Zionist Jews and the Federal Reserve" need to be run out of this country...

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/10/18/state/n161545D13.DTL#ixzz1bEmgIwDw

See her comments on YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMjm4LxFa1c&feature=player_embedded

slackmaster comments:

This person is clearly off her rocker and doesn't actually represent anyone other than a radical fringe that has nothing to do with the Occupy movements, but when you try to get a large supermajority of people involved without a clear unifying message this kind of thing is unavoidable.

[MadHound]

1. And once again we see teachers effectively denied their 1st Amendment rights

I don't agree with what this teacher said, but I do defend her right to say it without having to suffer repercussions from her job.

[leftynyc]

5. Really?

And had she been on youtube saying outrageously racist stuff about the President? Still think she should be in a classroom? She got what she deserved.

[MadHound]

6. Doesn't matter what she says, she still has a right to say it, on her own time,

Without suffering repercussions for it. That also applies to the teacher who gets fired for speaking at anti-war protests as well. The right of free speech is guaranteed for most people, but has been denied time and again for teachers, why?

Do you support firing the grocer who writes hateful letters to the editor?

[slackmaster]

10. If the grocer's letter said "I am an employee of Slack Master Supermarket", I might fire him

;-)

[MadHound]

16. And you would be turning the keys to your store over to that former employee

After he takes you to court for violating his free speech rights.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Actually not. By identifying the place of work it implies the business is in agreement

and would thus have a deleterious effect on the business, which is grounds for firing.

Simply having an employees who said it without tying to the workplace would not be grounds for firing.

[slackmaster]

40. Yes. My employment contract is very clear that I am not permitted to say anything about it...

...in public.

[slackmaster]

39. At Will Employment

How does it work?

[LanternWaste]

15. I imagine many people believe...

I imagine many people believe that Freedom of Speech additional implies freedom from any and all consequences (unless good), regardless of what may or may not be stipulated in an employment contract.

[leftynyc]

24. The grocer works for himself

The teacher works for me. Now she can say whatever she wants and post it all over the place. She got what she deserved.

[MadHound]

25. Ah, so we should fire any government employee who dares to say something you disagree with

You really don't like the First Amendment do you.

[leftynyc]

27. I love the first amendment

The first doesn't guarantee you a job, just that the government cannot arrest you. There are consequences to speaking your mind. She wasn't arrested, she was fired for being a noxious person who had no business in a classroom. You seem to think anybody should be able to say whatever stupid fucking thing they want with no consequences. That's NOT what the first amendment is about.

[MadHound]

28. Fired by the government, not by a private entity

Makes a big difference.

[leftynyc]

33. I think you misunderstand the first

amendment which says nothing about being able to say what you want without penalty when it comes to employment. The government cannot arrest you and put you in a gulag for your speech. Do you really think someone who belongs to the KKK should be teaching children? Do you further think there is nothing parents of those students can do about it? Think about what you're saying....it's insane.

[MadHound]

35. So it is OK then to fire a teacher for speaking about tolerance at an LGBT rally,

Or gets fired for speaking at an anti-war rally.

Think about what you are saying. You are, unwittingly or otherwise, conspiring with the right to deny teachers their right to free speech.

[leftynyc]

38. I can live with that

if it keeps this hateful bitch who was stupid enough to get her crap on youtube out of the classroom. Let me know when a teacher is fired for being anti-war or pro gay rights - then we'll talk.

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. If that racist teacher does not speak of it in the classroom, not let

his opinions color how he treats his students, let him teach.

The first time he promotes racism, or acts in a racist manner, in the classroom, fire him.

We do not punish people in this country for what they think. Only for what they DO. (ideally)

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. I'm a government employee. I join protests when I can.

I say what I want to say. But I DON'T speak as a government employee. I stand to be fired if I talk to the press about ANYTHING, and speak as a government employee - that is clearly stated in my employee's handbook. Statement to the press MUST go through our PR office. So when I protest, I speak as a citizen, and I do not wear anything (hat, t-shirt, jacket) that might identify me to the public as a government employee.

I have a right to speak. I do not have the right to drag my place of employment into it. I know and accept the difference.

If I were fired for showing up at an anti-war rally, or an OWS rally, I'd fight it tooth and nail UNLESS I was dumb enough to be doing or saying something that would imply I spoke on behalf of my employer.

THAT is what the first amendment is about. You cannot be punished by the government for speaking your mind - and being fired is punishment, when you are a government employee. She broke no rules. She did not proselytize on government time. She did not identify as a government employee when she spoke. There was no grounds for firing her.

[slackmaster]

41. Don't worry. The California Teachers' association will probably defend that woman's right...

...to spew hatred in public in the same breath as mentioning that she works for the L.A. school district.

[Nye Bevan]

17. Would you defend a teacher who said that blacks should be enslaved?

Or that blacks should be deported? And who then lost his or her job?

[MadHound]

21. Yes, if that teacher were speaking outside the school, on their own time

I would support such a teacher. Just as I support teachers who get fired for speaking at LGBT rallies, or anti-war rallies and get fired for their remarks after pressure is applied by radical RW parents.

You see, the left and right in this country have essentially and effectively conspired to keep teachers silent in the public arena. If a teacher dares to speak out on an issue, somebody, somewhere will disagree with it, and if they can get enough people to join them, raise a big enough stink, they can get that teacher fired. It happens all the time.

And thus teachers have had their First Amendment rights effectively taken away.

[Nye Bevan]

22. But how are black kids going to feel being taught by this teacher?

And how are Jewish kids going to feel being taught by a teacher who spews anti-Semitic crap?

I'm all for free speech rights, but teachers should not spout bigotry and racism, even on their own time.

[MadHound]

23. And you match that up with RW parents who don't want teachers who speak out againt war,

Or for the rights of the LGBT community, or speak publicly about tolerance, and VOILA! We have the two political arms effectively conspiring to deny teachers their First Amendment rights.

What other profession has that onus put upon them?

[Nye Bevan]

29. I would say political opinions and activism are fine; bigotry and prejudice is not.

And it's not just for teachers. I would expect to lose my job if my boss heard me spewing racist crap, even on my own time.

[MadHound]

30. And the right would say exactly the opposite,

The coming out for peace and tolerance are abominations, and work, many times very effectively, to get that teacher fired.

Thus we see the left and right, unwittingly or otherwise, effectively conspiring together to silence teachers.

Yet in no other profession can you expect that.

[AngkorWot]

37. First they came for Hank Williams Jr., and I said nothing.

:nopity:

[LeftishBrit]

2. First of all, anyone that stupid and prejudiced should not be teaching children.

Secondly, I get the impression that the movement *does* have a clear unifying message; however, there will always be loonies who attach themselves to any rally or demo. I understand that some Ron Paul fans have been glomming onto some of the demos - would this person come from that group, especially given her obsession with 'the Federal Reserve'?

[Hepburn]

3. I totally disagree with her message and find it offensive...

...however, on her own private time, IMO she has a right to be stupid, a bigot and an asshole. Wrong for the LUSD to fire her for her political activities outside of the classroom.

[Codeine]

4. Nobody with that much irrational hatred

can be trusted with children and their education.

Imagine seeing that on TV and then being a Jewish kid in her class! Or what of a child who has great respect for her seeing that and buying into her hate 100%?

[MadHound]

7. Funny, that's the same sentiment the radical RW expresses about liberal teachers who speak out

So I guess what, we should only have bland, middle of the road teachers?

[Codeine]

8. I'd be satisfied with teachers who don't publicly promote tribal hatreds

and advocate the forced removal of entire ethnic and religious groups from our society. That she's nominally liberal doesn't concern me at all. If an employee of our company expressed such a view after identifying herself with us I'd want that person canned as well.

[MadHound]

9. Well at least you're consistent in your opposition to free speech

You don't want anybody speaking out publicly on topics your disagree with.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

12. What? No suggestions of a beatdown in this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2144129&mesg_id=2145166

[Codeine]

19. I'll admit that comment was not my finest hour.

I'm just so sick of seeing that same fringe at every anti-war or other left-leaning gathering that I get a touch reactionary -- I want those people gone from groups of which I count myself a part.

Shit like that needs to be loudly denounced, disowned, discouraged, and shamed. It has no place in any protest that purports to represent the progressive element. But you and Madhound are correct insofar as it does not and should not warrant violence.

Mea maxima culpa. :dunce: I cede the field on that point.

[leftynyc]

26. I understand

Tried to attend two anti-war rallies (NYC and San Francisco) and turned back because of the ANSWER assholes. I don't want to be associated with them. But responding with violence is never the way to go.

[Codeine]

20. You're correct.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2145333&mesg_id=2145748

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Similar to prior thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2144129&mesg_id=2144129

[slackmaster]

13. Thanks Professor, I searched and missed that one

:hi:

[ProgressiveProfessor]

14. At least one poster in both threads did change their position in some regards...

[sufrommich]

31. Good. Nobody that ignorant has any business teaching. nt

[taught_me_patience]

32. AMF

adios mother fucker... Words have consequences. Also, this stupid talk is terrible for the OWS movement.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

34. Oh great, so now the jews

took her job. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: You know she's gonna go there.

[Behind the Aegis]

42. I am sure she will find her a good "Jew" lawyer!

:evilgrin:

[SoCalDem]

36. The right to free speech is that teacher's right, BUT

there is also a consequence to that free speech if it's against socially accepted norms.

Too many people still think that what's said , is somehow exempt from blowback.

You have the right to go to your boss and call him/her an asshole, BUT that boss also has the right to demote./fire you for insubordination.

Free speech does not equal free-from-consequences speech,

see also: "macaca"

[Behind the Aegis]

43. For shits and giggles....

Go to the youtube video and read the comments section...It's the shit!

Patty says:

• By publishing the bad traits about Jews, I am hoping that they will take a look at themselves and change their evil ways, before God comes down and destroy them. Hitler was just a sample of what will happen to the Jews if they don't change.
  
  
• Under Hitler, if these Zionist Jewish Bankers had swindled the Germans out of millions of homes, the Germans would have destroyed the entire Jewish population. Why did America not do the same? It is not too late to do that. These Zionist Jews should release their ownership of the Federal Reserve Bank, and they should be run out of America. I stick by what I said in this video! Also, we need to vote these weak, no backbone, corrupt politicians, out of office...and NOW.
  
  
• We must start teaching our children the Jewish history. You can get it all on the web, because the Jews don't allow their history to be printed in school books. Your children need to know about Jews. This is not to be done to stem hatred, it is to be done for protection. Just like you tell your children not to get in a car with a stranger, you must protect them from this predator. Look at all the homes they stole from Americans. They just put them out on the streets.
  
  
• This big battle that I am taking on with the Jews did not start last week. Since I was a child, I use to hear that Hitler killed all those Jews. I use to always ask my parents and other adults why???
  
  No one ever gave me a good answer. Not until recently did I get all the facts. I was raised in Chicago. In our community, and Jews were our merchants. They owned all the stores, they were our doctors, lawyers, etc. This was before the Arabs. So I have some history with them.
  
  
• Over the years I have observed the Jews, and I have noticed how low-down they can be. The swindling of American's homes was the last straw for me. I am willing to lay my life down to educate the American people about who the Jewish people are. It is because of this lack of knowledge, that Americans have become vulnerable to the evil and underhanded tactics of the Jews. The Jew knows that when we educate the people, their stealing and lying will be over.
  
  
• You should read "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews". When the Jews came to America during slavery, they went to the south. Jews owned and controlled the needle trades. They made the clothes. They also started banks in the south, and they loaned money to the slaveowners. The Jews starting making so much money, that the whites were beginning to be suspect, but the Jews decided to act more racist against the Blacks than the whites. This pleased the whites.

[slackmaster]

44. Thanks for that. I recall the National Lampoon magazine doing a piece in the early 1970s...

"Civil War between the Negroes and the Jews"

It was hysterical. The Negroes had an advantage in troop strength, but the Jews had much better guns.

[Critters2]

47. The zionist bankers? Really? How long before this crap dies? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

48. It won't. Many don't want to actually address it.

They'd prefer to put their heads in the sand (or up their asses). I have seen "zionist bankers" used here and when it was called "anti-Semitic", it was met with howls and protests of "shrill accusations of anti-Semitism." We still deal with the dual loyalty charge all the time too.