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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:56 PM Original message |
Why empathy expanded in the last 300 years: literacy. I'm reading in |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. Technology helps too. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Well, to be fair, books and the press are technology. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Technology will get the written word to places it was missing around the world. Hopefully |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
3. Is the expansion of empathy even a verifiable claim? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The premise is that violence has kept going down over the centuries and that it seems is verifyably |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The absence of a full scale war between industrialized countries in the late 20th century... |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. How so? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Compared to hunter gatherer societies or the middle ages there is much less murder. Much less war. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. But a greater percentage of 10th centrury people were killed in war |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. More actual people are dying but in much smaller % of the population. There are so many |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Violence at an individual level perhaps |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. More people are likely dying violent deaths but as a percentage of the population the numbers are |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That is only because we saw exponential growth |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. They do include genocide in the numbers of violent deaths. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I still say individually gone up |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. I'm also not sure the number of people killed violently is a measure of lack of empathy |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I have not gotten to the empathy chapter in the book yet. I just got that |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. In forager societies 15% of people meet violent deaths, IIRC. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I agree that the claim is somewhat dubious, but Pinker's book is full of data |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Judging from stuff I've read in here today |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
19. I really need to get that book, thanks! |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Yeah. After reading only a few chapters I dug around for a highlight marker. This book is a keeper. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
23. And wanting to be proven wrong |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. You'll love it. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Well gotten a few good reads from here |
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