Please help me out

[malaise]

Is the Korean War over? Troops are still in South Korea
Is World War II over? Troops are still in Germany and Japan.

Obama is bringing the troops home from Iraq.

Thanks

[Cirque du So-What]

1. I'm thinking of starting a research project

to compare the comments of those who had been bashing the Obama administration on a daily basis for not pulling out of Iraq immediately with their comments now that withdrawal - with an actual date specified, mind you - is a virtual certainty. If I catch the slightest whiff of bullshit in the form of second-guessing the withdrawal, I intend to rub their noses in that aforementioned bullshit. Condemning the withdrawal now - after running a bustling little cottage industry on bashing Barack Obama for not leaving Iraq sooner - would constitute the height of hypocrisy and confirm my suspicion that their 'concern' was just a stalking horse for Obama-bashing.

[malaise]

3. Well said

He can't do anything right for some folks

[tblue]

8. Yes please do.

That would be an excellent use of time.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. LOL. As would playing hand-ball against a curtain.

[Jim Lane]

20. The cup is half full.

Obama kept up this imperialist war far too long: bad.

On the other hand, if McCain had won we'd still have a huge contingent in Iraq and possibly be halfway to Tehran. Obama has reduced the force and now promises to remove it completely: good.

So, I remain an Obama basher and an Obama praiser.

[Capitalocracy]

25. No second-guessing the withdrawal here.

Timing's a few years off, though.

[dixiegrrrrl]

26. Would that not violate DU rules of calling out members?

[Cirque du So-What]

32. Not if I replied to each individual personally

I would never mention anyone by name in anything I posted unless I was replying to that person directly.

[sellitman]

2. He has effectively removed a major beef I've had with him.

I am thrilled he is keeping his promise.

This action will separate those who were actually anti war from those who are just looking for a reason to bash our President.

Good that you post on this.

[malaise]

4. Absolutely correct

:hi:

[HappyMe]

5. Some will never be satisfied.

Kind of makes me wonder if they are peeved that he kept his promise, proving them wrong.

[malaise]

7. The fact that he kept his promise is bad news for some folks

Politicians are never supposed to keep promises

[HappyMe]

9. Yeah, particularly this president.

Whatever.

My sweetie's son is coming home! :D

[malaise]

10. I remember when my nephew returned home

I know the feeling. :grouphug:

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[MedicalAdmin]

11. Massive false equivalency, or at least inaccuracy.

That said a thoughtful and useful discussion.

But.

The Korean action never ended. As for Germany and japan, although I would be fine with getting out, the current bases have nothing to donwith the end of WW2 and more tondo with the cold war, which was the original war against nothing.

[malaise]

19. I accept the cold war argument re Germany but not Japan

That said the troops are still there and the cold war ended around 1989.
You're right re the Korean War.

[MedicalAdmin]

23. Fair enough.

Yes, we should have pulled out in 1989. So much for the peace dividend.

Remember that little bit of cash that was to be infused into the economy and citizens? Yah - me neither.

[NYC_SKP]

13. Took out Kaddafi, Osama, now ending Booshe's War.

I guess these things just really piss some people off in a big way!

:rofl:

[Veruca Salt]

29. I am k&r'ing this just for the pic you posted

I lol'ed so hard I think I broke a rib. :D

[NYC_SKP]

31. Hiya!

:hi:

[spanone]

14. k&r...

[rug]

15. On the other hand, there are no troops in Vietnam.

[malaise]

17. Because they ran n/t

[HereSince1628]

21. I think that sounds harsher than needed

You can say that my world view is biased by having served in that horrible mistake of a war.

But the America troops didn't run. They were pulled out when it was no longer politically possible to continue in the debacle that "troops" (as in enlisted and conscripted personnel in combat units) never argued to enter into.

The chaos at the end was a consequence of the US pulling out, and the subsequent fall of the propped up government in the south. The images of the emergency evacuation of the American Embassy aren't evidence that American troops ran.

[malaise]

22. I always defer to the people who walked the walk

:hi:

[HereSince1628]

16. I thought we'd be in Iraq for decades

I expected that American strategists would push for, and win, an American presence of 50K or more. Although I didn't think it would happen I'm glad that we're pulling out of Iraq. The American people really need relief from the burden to say nothing of the people our unwelcomed presence would injure.

Of course my thinking is conditioned by my living the front half of my life with the US in foreign wars both cold and hot. From that experience, I can see that air-bases in Iraq are extraordinarily well positioned for projection force from NE Africa to India and SW China.

Projecting force is a bad habit the US has yet to actually kick. I can't help but think that the American strategists still in government employ are looking for places from which to reach out and touch anticipated opponents with depleted uranium.

[malaise]

18. I predicted that the mammoth embassy would

be the greatest ReTHUG white elephant in history.

[apocalypsehow]

24. K & R. n/t.

[woo me with science]

27. The larger point is the sheer enormity of our military industrial complex,

and the fact that it keeps growing and that its budget appears to be a sacred cow...

...even while we slash the safety nets of the American people.

Pentagon looking safe from the Super Committee's cuts
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2161681

SOCOM. Bush- 60 countries. Obama 120 countries by end of 2011
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2118912&mesg_id=2122224

OBAMA AGREES WITH PANETTA, ENDORSES MEDICARE ‘ADJUSTMENTS’ OVER DEFENSE CUTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1692899

[LiberalAndProud]

28. Are you sure?

There is irony in your sig line, juxtaposed against this OP as it is;

are you sure it's gonna be alright?

[woo me with science]

30. Well, that sig's been there for awhile.

I keep it because the alternative is unthinkable.

Yes, seeing what our government and even our Democratic Party have become makes it pretty hard to sustain hope sometimes.

But how the people are responding, in the spread of OWS, does give me hope.

[spanone]

33. k&r...