biggovernment.com says Lech Walesa won't attend OWS

[pintobean]

I won't link to it, so I can't quote from it. Here's their headline:

"Lech Walesa Not Attending #OccupyWallStreet in New York After Discovering Hard-Left Organizers"

They claim that the decision was due to 'information' they provided.


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[Chih]

1. It probably has more to do with the juvenilistic nature of the event

than "information" provided by big g .com.

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[Webster Green]

9. Juvenilistic? What's wrong with just calling them dirty hippies.

You fucking teabaggers are too funny. :rofl:

[Kurovski]

15. It's predicamintistic.

I'm flummbergasted from the influxemated nature of todays overunnated DU.

[EFerrari]

53. LOL

:rofl:

[pinboy3niner]

56. You should have seen the deleted subthreads

Kurovski's been on a roll today, and it was hilarious. He really ought to come around more.

:hi:

[Chih]

25. Dirty hippies...? It is wrong to make statements that lack substantiation.

:hippie:

[Kurovski]

27. Not in today's freewheelongated atmosphere of obvio-predisposated behaviourments.

[sabrina 1]

39. Hippies sound like they were so cool, and they were so

right about everything. I wish I could have been one. Is that why the far rightwing wackos hate them, or fear them probably? Or maybe it was because the chickenhawks on the right were so unpopular when they were teenagers, and the hippies were so popular, that they are still jealous of them.

[SpiralHawk]

62. Envy

Sigh.

They have been seething with envy & resentment for 50 freaking years.

Totally pathetic.

They cannot admit that they were wrong then, and so have remained STUCK.

Totally pathetic.

Many will die that way.

[JVS]

22. Or Walesa's life long devotion to Scabadarity

[Kurovski]

44. Not to mentionise his homophobocity.

[lunatica]

26. are you having Teabaggerilistic moment?

[CreekDog]

30. well when it grows up it can be a nihilistic event

:shrug:

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[Kingofalldems]

36. Mock and undermine

[sabrina 1]

38. Omg, they are getting less coherent as OWS becomes stronger.

:rofl:

[FloridaJudy]

43. Undisirregardless,

I predictionize a short stay with lots of pepperoni.

[Fuzz]

51. Oh pogo jesus on a shingle, are you seriously fucking?

[rug]

64. What cartoon is your avatar from?

[ck4829]

3. No direct quote anywhere, this is just something to keep the righties in their 'happy place'

It should be very easy to get a word for word quote from this guy, but apparently Breitbart and friends couldn't be bothered to remember what he said.

[Cal Carpenter]

4. He's a pro-capitalist buddy of Thatcher and Reagan

He endorsed Repubs in the US as recently as last year and is anti-choice, among a thousand other things that should give pause to anyone at this site. His announcement of support garnered 500+ recommendations on this site which I fund sort of hilarious and sort of horrifying, I think I was almost the only dissenting voice on that thread.

Of course he is anti-left. He always has been.

The lack of ideological understanding or historical accuracy is astounding here sometimes.


eta: I'm not defending the source of this OP in any way. But I have been wondering, after all the press about his announcement of support last week, what ever happened with his 'visit'.

[Cal Carpenter]

7. Replying to myself

as a place-holder because there was a bug when I posted and this didn't show up in 'my posts'...

[pintobean]

10. I went back and read those threads

You were definitely a lonely voice. I thought the whole concept was strange. Oh well, things like that happen from time to time.

[Cal Carpenter]

11. But the question is

will any of those 500+ people who rec'd the post reflexively even be aware of his reversal, or of the error in their assumptions?

I suppose the main reason I am asking is to kick this thread and give it more exposure and see if anyone else responds...

sigh.

[Kurovski]

16. Why? Am I not good enough for you to respond to? Not a "hello"?

You never call me anymore, either! :cry:

[Luminous Animal]

8. I thought about adding a dissenting voice to that thread but quickly realized that the Walesa

myth was too entrenched for the truth.

[leftstreet]

13. I cut people a bit of slack

Most don't remember much about him other than a vague legacy as a strong iconic leader. Of something.

All those recs and emotions probably speak more about the stunning lack of leadership we're experiencing

[Cal Carpenter]

23. I think it is lack of ideology and historical understanding more than it is lack of leaders

Leaders can give us rhetoric that may inspire emotion but accomplish nothing. What we need is a population with a much stronger understanding of how we got here, the systemic nature of our economic and social problems, and the ability to even look at alternatives to what we have now.

[leftstreet]

31. Agree to a point

That point being the ideological and historical understanding from the electorate when they pivoted the new FDR into the WH after he campaigned from the Left. To the best of their ability it looks like voters thought they had some idea of economic and social problems.

Sadly, both parties have become adept at convincing they're actually 'alternatives.'

:-(

[JVS]

21. Bingo

[Gregorian]

28. Wow. Thank you. I admit ignorance.

I had no idea of these facts. I just assumed he was a progressive.

There is too much to know. That's why these forums are so valuable. By shariing this, you helped me.

[rosesaylavee]

32. Yeah, I was probably one of the recs on that.

I'm with Gregorian... so much to know, so little time. i too thought he was a progressive. Didn't know about the pro-choice thing either... I remember him standing up and leading in a time that needed leadership. And admittedly was very right-leaning at that time in my life. Sorry you were the lone voice... didn't peruse that thread too deeply.

[Luminous Animal]

6. Given Walesa fondness and respect for Reagan, I've little doubt he'd find

many of the discussions and actions too far to the left. Walesa is quite conservative and Breitbart knows that.

[Kurovski]

12. Yeah, solidarity and all that , but Lech is a big vodka bottle full of stupid.

The lumbering idiot didn't even care that Reagan told unions to fuck off.

He's a big, pukey-faced homophobe. He can eat my ass. No. He can eat SANTORUM's ass, his leaky, bubbly rectum.

Edit: gol'darnit to gosh, but I can't stop spelling like a thorazined freeper today.

[pintobean]

14. No need to hold back like that

:rofl:

[Kurovski]

17. As a fellow countryman, I hold that old skin-bag of dumb to a higher standard.

He'll get no pierogi's of praise from THIS Polish-American, I can fucking tell you that much.

[pinboy3niner]

18. Do you think it's possible...

...that he's off his meds again? :rofl:

[Kurovski]

19. Who, me or that polish particle of pooped-out potato pancake?

:hi:

[CTyankee]

20. You go, guy!

I just love your way with words...

[pinboy3niner]

29. It's an art form :)

:hi:

[CTyankee]

33. But of course. I agree. And bless you for having it.

You are a treasure that I hold dear...

[pinboy3niner]

37. Darn! Kurovski's best work has been disappeared. :(

[Kurovski]

40. Jesus. pinboy, if you want my thunder just crack me one and slap it out of my hand, why don't you.

You really owe me that kiss now. :D

I see our new friend lobbied well for a linguistic lock down up there.

[pinboy3niner]

52. More like your thunder fell into my lap

Damn shame about that lockdown...that was some really good stuff. :toast:

I wish I hadn't been so busy at the time, or I would have been able to play. But from what I could see, you were doing fine all by yourself. I'm still :rofl: .

[Kurovski]

54. I dub thee Sir Pinboy of Thunderlap.

[pinboy3niner]

55. THANKYOU, THANKYOU, THANKYOU--that's now my new pickup line

:rofl:

[JVS]

24. Don't forget how he blamed France and Germany for the Iraq war.

Evidently they didn't oppose the war vigorously enough to prevent it. Although Walesa makes this accusation as someone who supported the war vocally.

[Kurovski]

41. I well remember the day George Bush gave a speech to Poles about his hateful, criminal war.

His yapping lies were performed in some outdoor square of a centuries-old Krakow palace that somehow hadn't been bombed to shit in WWII. The icy glares at that man as he tried to sell his war was received as if some slobbering drunken pimp was trying to sell a diseased prostitute.

Most Poles hated that goddamned war and knew full well it was all alie. Europe didn't have a media blackout like we had here in the U.S.

[dameocrat67]

34. Given his support of Reagan and Thatcher

I was kind of shocked he supported it in the first place, though he was leader of a union that calls itself the wobbly phrase/slogan Solidarity, so he is a very contradictory figure, and difficult to understand.

I also dont know whether to trust this news since it is only being reported on bagger websites.

[Kurovski]

42. He may yet show up, or make a statement if union organizations contact him.

But probably not if the Human Rights Campaign gives him a call.

"Lech Walesa is a prominent homophobe

Walesa himself also made all sorts of statements. It is well known that he is a homophobe and has never denied that. So it is not strange for him to make statements such as “homosexuality is an illness that needs to be cured”."


http://dalje.com/en-world/european-politicians-have-racist-tendencies/155075

[Joe the Revelator]

45. These replies are hilarious. Way to throw Lech under the bus

A week ago this guy was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Kurovski]

46. Here's a revelation for you Joe. Not by me, not for many decades.

And do you mean to tell me that you don't get the whole "Corporate Media only tells ya what they want you to know" theory? People get new info every day that challenges their pre-concieved notions. Sometimes people even change their minds based on convictions. Ain't that fuck-all?

Mr. Welesa is a bigot, a right wing dimshit, a hypocrite and a pain in my polka today.

So Joe, is that a finger wag, or are you haling a bus to somewhere?

[Joe the Revelator]

47. You weren't very vocal during the Lech love feat the last couple of weeks

[Kurovski]

48. That's the best you can do?

I'll start showing up to DU every day as soon as I start seeing a weekly check in my mailbox.

[Joe the Revelator]

49. You're silly

Pick and choose all you want, it's your perogative

[Kurovski]

50. But seriously Joe, I would have loved to have made a fuss on one of those threads.

I deeply regret my own absence.

(And as an aside apropos of nothing Joe and I are discussing: Justin Paul from Wisconsin ain't the boss of me.)

[flvegan]

57. For the record, "Justin Paul from Wisconsin is an idiot" is my doing.

Stealing my thunder, friend? LOL!

And yeah, I got your back. Not that you need it.

[Kurovski]

58. Well, you could have jumped in anytime.

How long was I to wait? The public is clamoring for information, like, say...Walesa is anti-abortion, or Walesa supported a Republican politician in Illinois...came all the way across the sea just because. Wasn't that nice of him, just showed up in support, and went to a Chicago "Taste of Teabag" festival.

He must have been very...inspired...to do such a thing.

"...Former President of Poland Lech Walesa came to Chicago to support Adam Andrzejewski as the GOP candidate for Governor.

“As you see I support Adam..I am convinced that he is right. But we live in times that people do not always listen to those that are right”, said Walesa speaking through a translator.

(Walesa) stopped by a Tea Party Function in downtown Chicago that was organized to give support to a number of candidates in this Tuesday’s election."



Read more: http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/01/29/lech-walesa-steps-into-illinois-politics/#ixzz1baVtxe1l

[Kurovski]

63. Adam Andrzejewski is the guy who informed Lech of all the terrible Commie Marines

teachers, firefighters, emergency workers, unemployed, foreclosed-upon, and homeless in the ows movement.

[Kurovski]

59. Thanks and good night my friend.

:hi:

[Starry Messenger]

60. Good! He's a horrible human being.

The 500 recs for him last week was terrifying.

[Kurovski]

61. He wonders what Charles Pierce would say...

I don't know myself, but I do know the kind of anti-union publicity stunts Koch-level money can buy. Maybe Pierce might publicly ask Lech Welesa what exactly his beef is with unions and US Marines? I'd love to hear the answer.

Moran from American Thinker reveals his own concerns:


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/10/lech_walesa_wont_be_coming_to_ows_after_all.html

[Kurovski]

65. K to find in GD (nt)

Edit: are some fairly g-rated thoughts on the matter...

Thread..."Lech Walesa, What do you Have Against Unions and the U S Marines? "


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