If it were not for activists fighting for civil rights, Barack Obama would not be President today.

[Zorra]

Please, participate and support OWS. Join us in once again using direct democratic action to bring about righteous, moral, and very necessary political, social, and economic change.

[Scuba]

1. Just another reason Republicans want to roll back civil righta...

...like voting, for instance.



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[pnwmom]

2. Yes, fighting for VOTING rights. And VOTING.

We would not be in the mess we're in today if so many of Obama's voters in 2008 didn't vote in 2010.

Including those who scorned the so-called blue-dog Democrats in red states --who promptly got replaced by Rethugs.

[Zorra]

3. Yes, voting rights were a large part of the many concerns of the Civil Rights Movement.

As it is a primary concern of OWS.

Blue dogs brought about their own demise by failing to make an effort to represent the constituents that elected them because they represented the wealthy private interests that financed them instead

They are, IMO, part of the reason that OWS came into existence. A large number of people are fed up with having their only viable candidates selected for them by the wealthy private interests that finance campaigns in order to insure that they can control the legislators that are elected.

I vote. I've always voted Democratic in general elections. I support and participate in OWS also.

What's your point?

Do you have some kind of problem with the goals of OWS?

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[pnwmom]

5. I don't have a problem with OWS. I only have a problem with people

who suggest that Obama or other Democrats don't deserve the vote in a general election.

The Blue dogs wouldn't have done any better in their RED districts by always voting to suit the small number of progressives in their districts; they would have done worse.

[Zorra]

6. I was not suggesting that at all in my OP.

However, while it may be true that Blue Dogs would not have done any better by always voting to suit the progressives in their district, I believe that if they always voted to suit the Democrats in their district that they would still be holding office.

IMO, it is a huge mistake to equate being a fiscally conservative Democrat to being a Chamber of Commerce corporatist Democrat.

A genuine fiscally conservative, pro-gun rights moderate Democrat in a red district might fare much better than a Blue Dog Chamber of Commerce corporatist that is more like a republican.

I believe they would vote differently than a Blue Dog in many instances while maintaining electable conservative appeal for their district.

[pnwmom]

7. Blue dogs come from places where Democrats are in the minority.

They win by also drawing some votes from centrists and independents.

So just pleasing Democrats isn't enough.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Not only voting rights but basic rights such as marriage had to

be addressed for Obama to be President, that's obvious from our history. Voting rights are A civil right, not the ONLY civil right. Of course, it was the 'moderates' who refused to vote in some regions. Here we had huge turn out. Elected Democrats. Real ones.