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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 02:50 PM Original message |
Point of discussion RE: OWS for Reds, pinkos, fellow |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. My take is that it's absolutely centrist in its list of grievances |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yep the part about the naivete I'm in agreement with |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
47. What list of grievances? There has been zero list of grievances released. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. I agree. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. 'Progressive votes' are meaningless without candidates from the Left |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Correct. And that is where we come in. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The Tea Party isn't responsible for those candidates, the inert Left is |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I don't think they need to be communists. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I agree. The rise in socialist and communist parties |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Mixed feelings - |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. When it all comes down to it though, as always, |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I actually considered joining the CPUSA when I was first learning about socialism. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yep. Very bourgeoisie............ |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 06:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It looks like some of the local groups may be better - Sam Webb does not impress me. nt |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Sam Webb is a complete sell out. Here is a quote from him that says it all: |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Third party candidates don't pull. They push. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Oh,please. Only a faction of the democratic party could accurately be called left wing. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I'm not so sure that translating into progressive votes |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. In a propagandized society such as ours, it's quite the miracle |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
11. I think the movement has a lot of potential. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. LOL! I agree wholeheartedly wolf......... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. I doubt this group is going to lead a revolution, no doubt about that. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yeah you're right. I don't want to go all left sectarian on OWS |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. That would be appropos with the election coming up - |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-24-11 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
22. Emphatic K&R to both this OP and the discussion it has engendered. This |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Oh yeah, that's DEFINITELY the main prop I would |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
25. "Isn't a majority good enough?" |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Which is why I favor the (small "s") soviet system |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Aside from the fact of that not happening to this country in our lifetime |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. It didn't happen in Tsarist Russia either |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I understand you are not using RW positions or defending the "1%" |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
29. I can see how it is possible to sell social-democracy in America I cannot envision a scenario in |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. You lost me at the "honest and decent". |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. whether or not it is possible to make money in capitalism that is honest and decent |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Thankfully for us our young people, as evidenced by OWS, are less concerned about marketing |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I certainly don't justify any of those things and I completely support the OWS movement |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. That we can agree on - |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. yes we can agree.. The OWS movement has made me feel optimist for the first time in a long time , |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
31. K & R- I wholeheartedly agree... |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. Thay oughta be sayin' something like this.. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. And other than words, what are the Greek communist accomplishing? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Emma Goldman said |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Voting only changes things when a democratic system is allowed to function properly. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. So your proposing dictatorship? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Great way to miss the point of his post and Emma's words. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And? Should people be able to vote for whoever they want or not? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. " If you don't like the "elites", your free to vote for someone else - and so can every American." |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. No thanks to any dictatorship of the proletariat... |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I agree, it is good that we can civilly disagree. |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. What? You like the dictatorship of capital? |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Of the proletariat, the truest form of democracy there is |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-26-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #41 |
52. Social Democrats consistently side with the bourgeoisie. |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-25-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
40. I'm not sure it is the responsibility of OWS to provide 'solutions' or |
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