No it is not war

[nadinbrzezinski]

On the nurses arrested. But this is just a very short primer on protected emblems.



The red cross, the red half moon and yes the non religious connotations red crystal. Alas I miss the lion.

No wearing a black sweater with a alf assed red cross don't confer any neutrality even when there is an actual well...war.

Why does this matter? For the record I hope this is the closets we ever get to an actual internal civil war, we need to start establishing bona fides and demanding that neutrality be respected. That might matter if we should descend into that horror film.

But let's start by marking things correctly. Realize the only RECOGNIZED Red Cross IS the American Red Cross. From my experience they belong in actually at least keeping and eye but unless it's rank and file...well that happened in El Salvador and will leave it at that. But given the ARC does not have actual hospitals and ambulances if we descend into that hell it will have to pull them out of ass...another story.

Oh and the star of life


is not among protected emblems so kindly replace that on your medic bag with a red cross, or crystal.

Now time to actually write that primer...in English.

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Can the police who broke the Geneva Convention be proscecuted for it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. What Geneva convention?

It does not apply in this situation. Now people need to act like it does, and that means using symbols properly, but this is internal and not even to the level of civil strife...let alone actual civil war.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. The same one Bush broke over torture, etc. Rules of warfare...didn't stop Bush either.

:(

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Difference is in that case it applied

Here it does not. Unless I missed it OWS has not received recognition as an active combatant in a civil war.

Now if we were in that environment you are talking war crime.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. Are you talking about occupy Chicago?

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Yup...

[FarCenter]

7. Actually, it is a federal offense to misappropriate the red cross symbol

-CITE-
18 USC Sec. 706 01/07/2011

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 33 - EMBLEMS, INSIGNIA, AND NAMES

-HEAD-
Sec. 706. Red Cross

-STATUTE-
Whoever wears or displays the sign of the Red Cross or any
insignia colored in imitation thereof for the fraudulent purpose of
inducing the belief that he is a member of or an agent for the
American National Red Cross; or
Whoever, whether a corporation, association or person, other than
the American National Red Cross and its duly authorized employees
and agents and the sanitary and hospital authorities of the armed
forces of the United States, uses the emblem of the Greek red cross
on a white ground, or any sign or insignia made or colored in
imitation thereof or the words "Red Cross" or "Geneva Cross" or any
combination of these words -
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six
months, or both.
This section shall not make unlawful the use of any such emblem,
sign, insignia or words which was lawful on the date of enactment
of this title.

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C33.txt

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Yes that is part of th Geneva convention

Smilar legislation around the world and fr good reason. Alas first aid stations have them as MEDICAL AID STATIONS, AND hospitals also have them, or shoud for the same reason. It is understood as part of the pesky conventions. By the way so has johnson and Johnson and insert many a first kid kit.

Here



Yes they sort off have a license but unlike the emergency radio they were not quite licenced the same way.

Plenty more on the web...

Wanna know why by the way? There is a reason deep within the protocols themselves. That is way too inside basebal for the record.

[FarCenter]

9. Johnson & Johnson and American Red Cross Announce Resolution of Lawsuit

New Brunswick, NJ (June 17, 2008) – Johnson & Johnson and the American Red Cross are pleased to announce resolution of the litigation over the Red Cross emblem. Both organizations have used the Red Cross emblem for over 100 years consistent with their respective missions, and both will be able to continue to use it in the same way going forward.

The recent litigation – claims by Johnson & Johnson and counterclaims by the American Red Cross -- was a dispute about the respective rights of the two entities. While the litigation could have continued through an upcoming trial and appeal, the parties have concluded that it is more productive to accept the rulings by Judge Jed S. Rakoff, set the remaining disputes aside, and direct attention instead to their respective missions. Accordingly, the parties have agreed to dismiss all of their remaining claims and counterclaims.

http://www.jnj.com/connect/news/all/20080617_160000

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. And your point?

And aid station using a red cross is exactly the use...especially in a country WITHOUT an EMS element. Of course there is also that internal strife aspect to it where a first aid station is exactly that.

I got to deal with this crap like for real...not theory and I know an aid station is protected. You do understand that right? Nw if I used the symbols to sell my teaching of CPR and first aid course, now that is Ilegal, here, there and everywhere.

Still this is not war...and let's hope it never is. If it becomes that the ARC will have to pull aid stations, hospitals and ambulances out of it's ass.

[FarCenter]

11. Inside the US, you can't just set up an aid station with a red cross on your own

J&J's use of the symbol is a preexisting use as a trademark. They had to go to court to protect their right to use the symbol as a trademark.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Actually you can, and it's done regularly such as little league games

A star wars trooper with red crosses, that is wrong at multiple levels...WEARING a uniform when not working, that's appropriating insignia and symbols.

But whatever. Realize if things really get bad you might learn a few things.

Using a red cross at a first aid station...actually is not. But whatever. I guess we should never do a thing either. By the way this is based on them pesky protocols we signed. But hey, medical personnel are protected, you understand that? And while cops sgould be sued for destruction of property, we have not hit a few wickets here, they are still protected.

And I had to share the oh my god this is wrong star wars tuner ware

[Trillo]

13. Isn't it sad that there are two groups of nurses, those inner-group nurses

legally allowed to bear a blood-colored Christian cross on their uniforms (at least that's what it looks like to me, a religious symbol of death), and those outside the inner group, which do not. One would presume, in a utopian world, that everyone possessing the educational credentials of nurse, possessed such to help heal sick and injured people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. In an ideal world an occupation would not be needed

But the red cross is the Swiss flag inverted...that is all.