NATO These are your goons!

[malaise]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/25/muammar-gaddafi-buried-libya
<snip>

The Libyan government buried Muammar Gaddafi in an unknown location at dawn on Tuesday, al-Jazeera television reported, citing a source in the ruling National Transitional Council (NTC).

Officials from the interim government had said earlier that the ousted Libyan leader would be buried in a secret desert grave, ending a wrangle over his rotting corpse that led many to fear for the country's governability.

Government forces had put the body on show in a cold store in Misrata while they argued over what to do with it, until its decay forced them to end the display on Monday.
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You are collectively shameless
:puke:

[pampango]

1. Whatever good or bad comes from this the UN should get most of the blame/credit, since

no one was going to intervene in Libya without the UN's approval. Gaddafi would still be in power if it were not for the UN and the disposition of his body would not be an issue.

The abuses of NATO and the NTC fighters should be investigated and prosecuted to the same extent as those of Gaddafi and his fighters.

[malaise]

2. The UN is a tool but I get your point

:fistbump:

[court jester]

6. Obama didn't bother with Congressional approval

maybe it's the future. Strike that, it is the future, since no "(R)epublican" (besides one) is calling for accountability

Hope and Change and all



"I love peace, and am anxious that we should give the world still another useful lesson, by showing to them other modes of punishing injuries than by war, which is as much a punishment to the punisher as to the sufferer." Thomas Jefferson

The author of the Declaration of Independence is not honored on his birthday by the current carpetbaggers

and why is that...

The author of one of the most important documents in human history is almost never quoted...Even by the people that should honor his memory above all

Why is that...

[pampango]

7. I think he should have as I said at the time. No intervention should occur without UN approval, but

each country needs to follow its own laws in participating in any UN action.

The UN has military (peacekeeping) forces in many places in the world. Each is authorized by the Security Council, but no country is forced to provide troops or to break its own laws when it chooses to participate in a UN action.

[EFerrari]

24. Remember that cable Wikileaked where the State Dept admits

abuse including rape occurring at every location where UN peacekeepers are?

The Western powers need to get out of the regime change business because they suck at it.

[trumad]

3. Amercia these are your goons.

[malaise]

4. Indeed n/t

[pinboy3niner]

5. The 'Goons' worked for Gaddafi

There was a lot of propaganda--from both sides. But I'm afraid you may have fallen for the BS coming from his side.

It may be instructive to look at what the RW websites are saying about this now.

[polly7]

8. Or maybe some of us just want to decide for ourselves

based on what we have found. A lot of the propaganda put out here was proven completely wrong ... thank God for multiple sources and freedom to think independently.

[dionysus]

9. thank god for "non propaganda" like Russia Today or Iran's PressTV...

:rofl:

[RC]

10. As compared to American TV and news media?

:eyes:

[dionysus]

11. thinking iranian\russian propaganda is trustworthy just because our own media can be full of crap is

rather stupid...

[polly7]

19. No, I base my opinion on the reporter, information he or she provides

and any bias I believe he or she may have personally.

Telling someone what to believe and why they believe what they do is stupid.

[RC]

29. Compared to what then?

[polly7]

14. Are you unable to separate the countries you hate from individual

reporters and the information they've investigated and are commenting on?

There are plenty of sources, like I said, thank God for freedom of thought and the intelligence to decide what is true and what isn't. Al Jazeera was scorned the same way during the Iraq fiasco, just as you're doing here. And pardon me, but I've completely, 100% lost faith in Western media ....... too many lies, some so absurd you just have to wonder just how stupid they believe we must be??

[dionysus]

16. i don't hate those countries. i think the people eating up anti-western propaganda simply because it

fits their anti-western views are hillarious. talking about absurd lies while eating heaping spoonfuls of someone elses absurd lies.


:rofl:

[polly7]

20. You have no idea why anyone believes what they do. So your assumption

is absurd and hilarious.

[EFerrari]

23. Absurd lies like these?

Human Rights Watch reports Libya rebels torturing detainees
By Katerina Nikolas.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/312235

Libyan rebels abused civilians: Human Rights Watch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14135530

Libya conflict: Rebels accused of reneging on mines vow
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13138102

Libya: Stop Arbitrary Arrests of Black Africans
http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/09/04/libya-stop-arbitrary-arrests-black-africans

Libya: Human Rights Watch calls on NTC to probe mass 'executions' as 53 bodies are found
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8845636/Libya-Human-Rights-Watch-calls-on-NTC-to-probe-mass-executions-as-53-bodies-are-found.html

Human Rights Watch: Libyan rebels loot clinics, homes and shops in seized western towns
http://74.6.117.48/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=Human+Rights+Watch+Libya+rebels+rape&rd=pref&xa=p54GKyouTK.5lGgDljB5xw--%2C1319639399&fr=yfp-t-701&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=Human+Rights+Watch+Libya+rebels+rape&d=4893638801295540&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=e9d19d6e,ffe71d5b&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=0Zk.bS__q4X6UK0aED_vzg--

[EFerrari]

17. You don't need to go farther than Human Rights Watch

to get the scoop on these people. They've been rounding up black people, torturing prisoners, raping black women, filling mass graves with their opponents and now, this. HRW has reported it all.

My mom who has gotten into shouting matches with me over this intervention finally got ill watching the video of Gaddafi's lynching. These people are horrible and I fear for Libya.

[polly7]

21. Yes they have, and they've been eagerly and happily sharing their

videos of it for months. They get taken down ... they post another. They're proud of those atrocities.

[DevonRex]

26. Seriously. That's where I get all my news.

:rofl:

Couldn't hold the deadpan any longer. :hi:

[leftynyc]

32. Pussycat Khaddafi blew an American plane

out of the sky. Are you old enough to remember when Scotland had bodies - still strapped into their seats - falling from the sky? Glad the motherfucker is dead and I will shed no tears for him. Do what you want, think what you want but he died the same way he lived.

[EFerrari]

13. No, these violent goons have been lynching people through out this war.

They're disgusting and all the talk about democratic revolution doesn't change that.

[polly7]

15. Anyone that can sodomize a helpless human being with a 'knife'

(I thought it was a stick and was horrified already) is worse than the lowest animal. All the lynchings, rapes, atrocities carried out against migrant workers - western media hyping the 'mercenary' lie .... and not a thing will be done about it. Yes, NATO, this is on your conscience. And all it took were a few lies by the NTC 'Prime Minister' and a UN too stupid to demand any documentation or proof, to get it going.

[EFerrari]

18. They really wanted this. Susan Rice herself spread the mass rape lie.

Well, they're going to get exactly what they paid for.

[polly7]

25. I think they're hoping they get more than what they paid for, and yes,

they wanted this badly, imo.

[blindpig]

12. Since day one. n/t

[xchrom]

22. Recommend

[G_j]

27. K&R

:cry:

[Octafish]

28. For me, it's the fact that he's dead.

No man. No trial. That also means no testimony and evidence.



Especially in regards to What's What and Who's Who in all his megapetrodollar financed depravity.

No wonder they killed Che.

[EFerrari]

30. Yep. I wonder how much of the courts' calendar will be cleared this way. nt

[inna]

31. goons (i.e., mercs) they are, that is for darn sure.

Having said that, killing Gaddafi was really one the smallest transgressions that can be held against them.

His death warrant (thoroughly extrajudicial at that, and as Orwellian as they come) was signed by NATO, for all practical purposes, despite all the headache(and nausea)-inducing doublespeak. "No, we're not interested in regime change at all; we're interested in protecting civilians" - out of one side of the mouth; murdering Gaddafi's grandkids (in a relatively early stage of the "campaign"); practicing whole-blown collective punishment against the civilians who happen to be on Gaddafi's side in the later stages...

:nuke:

(Don't you all love the smell of humanitarian intervention in the morning?) :nuke:


...

K&R

[Spider Jerusalem]

33. Deposing a dictator is usually a messy business

and NATO isn't responsible for the actions of the Libyans who killed Gaddafi and then put him on display any more than the Allies were responsible for the actions of the Italian partisans who killed Mussolini and hung him upside-down from a lamppost. Would it have been a better alternative if Gaddafi had been captured alive and brought to the Hague to face trial? Probably, but he wasn't.

[countryjake]

34. The NATO-backed massacre in Libya is the example of the West's "new way"...

of gaining control of those stubborn nations who have no wish to surrender their finances and resources to Western vultures. I fully expect to see more bloody "rebellions" of this sort, with NATO strikes destroying countries' infrastructures, and putting those countries' civilians at risk.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/world/africa/nato-war-in-libya-shows-united-states-was-vital-to-toppling-qaddafi.html


NATO War in Libya Shows U.S. Was Vital to Toppling Qaddafi
By THOM SHANKER and ERIC SCHMITT

Published: October 21, 2011

"To be fair, while the fighting has dragged on longer than anticipated, the death on Thursday of the Libyan leader, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, gave senior Obama administration officials an opportunity to trumpet the new American way of war to a nation weary of ground combat in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The United States military has spent just $1.1 billion in Libya, and in the words of Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., “didn’t lose a single life.” He added that “this is more of the prescription for how to deal with the world as we go forward than it has been in the past.”

Libya proved that the leaders of some medium-size powers can be overthrown from a distance, without putting American boots on the ground, by using weapons fired from sea and air with the heaviest load carried by partner nations — in the case of Libya, European allies and even some Arab states.

Now, that mission is winding down. NATO said Friday that it would cease operations in Libya on Oct. 31, exactly seven months after the alliance assumed full control of the campaign."

An axiom of the new warfare is that speed kills: Attacks must be carried out rapidly to recapture an old-fashioned element of surprise, with intelligence identifying targets even before an enemy has recoiled from previous ones.