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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:06 PM
Original message
"We threw away the ones marked Democratic"
Edited on Sun Oct-30-11 07:18 PM by kpete
SUN OCT 30, 2011 AT 04:59 PM PDT
"We threw away the ones marked Democratic"
byfrustrated1Follow


Today was a beautiful sunny day. It was a little cold, but not too bad. A friend of mine used some of the Halloween festivities to organize a group of people to register new voters. I've never known him to be politically active, and I don't even know how he normally votes. He asked me to be a part of it, but I already had plans for today.

Tonight when I got home, he was talking on Facebook about how they registered about 400 new voters today. One of his friends commented and said to him "I hope you registered the right kind of voters." My friend replied back "We threw away the ones marked Democratic". I chimed in and said, "Are you serious, or are you joking?" He said, he wasn't joking.

This type of crap PISSES me off. Is there anything that can be done? I hate to get involved in this at all, but crap like this can't go unchallenged. I hope the ones he threw away will realize they aren't actually registered. This is so wrong on so many different levels.

MORE:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/30/1031623/-We-threw-away-the-ones-marked-Democratic?via=siderecent


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Report it

You can't let this go unreported. Take a screen shot of his Facebook page. Then contact your local elections committee (probably want to make sure you talk to the Democrat on the Committee).

"...in a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy." Matt Taibbi

by Getreal1246 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 at 05:09:55 PM PDT
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1031623/43783769#c9


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REPLY FROM:
frustrated1Follow: Is there a way I can report this anonymously????
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1031623/43783792#c11


.........help him out DU

is his wall publicly viewable? post the link.
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:09 PM
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1. Call the cops, give the names and hopefully the creeps get arreasted
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. What would they be charged with? Voter fraud and election tampering?
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. Election fraud (nt)
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Possibly election tampering...
Voter fraud is when an individual voter tries to cast a fraudulent vote. When someone tries to interfere with other folks' voting, it is election tampering.

And btw, I wouldn't stop at reporting it to the police -- I would also contact the Federal Elections Commission.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #21
78. I can't speak to elsewhere, but in New York, it is illegal to not file voter registration forms.
Even for a private organization like a political party. You could go right up to the desk of the local Republican Party, line up voters ten deep to register Democratic, and it would be a crime for them to dispose of any of those registration forms.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #21
104. Class 2 misdemeanor per NC law: § 163‑82.6. Acceptance of application forms.

Here's the section of NC Election law

§ 163‑82.6. Acceptance of application forms.
(a) How the Form May Be Submitted. – The county board of elections shall accept any form described in G.S. 163‑82.3 if the applicant submits the form by mail, facsimile transmission, transmission of a scanned document, or in person. The applicant may delegate the submission of the form to another person. Any person who communicates to an applicant acceptance of that delegation shall deliver that form so that it is received by the appropriate county board of elections in time to satisfy the registration deadline in subdivision (1) or (2) of subsection (c) of this section for the next election. It shall be a Class 2 misdemeanor for any person to communicate to the applicant acceptance of that delegation and then fail to make a good faith effort to deliver the form so that it is received by the county board of elections in time to satisfy the registration deadline in subdivision (1) or (2) of subsection (c) of this section for the next election. It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of failing to make a good faith effort to deliver a delegated form by the registration deadline that the delegatee informed the applicant that the form would not likely be delivered in time for the applicant to vote in the next election. It shall be a Class 2 misdemeanor for any person to sell or attempt to sell a completed voter registration form or to condition its delivery upon payment.
(a1) Misdemeanors. – It shall be a Class 2 misdemeanor for any person to do any of the following:
(1) To communicate to the applicant acceptance of the delegation described in subsection (a) of this section and then fail to make a good faith effort to deliver the form so that it is received by the county board of elections in time to satisfy the registration deadline in subdivision (1) or (2) of subsection (c) of this section for the next election. It shall be an affirmative defense to a charge of failing to make a good faith effort to deliver a delegated form by the registration deadline that the delegatee informed the applicant that the form would not likely be delivered in time for the applicant to vote in the next election.

link here
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/statutes/statutelookup.pl?statute=163

If the person at Daily Kos will report it they should submit an election complaint to the
North Carolina State Board of Elections

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?id=9

They can email the NCSBoE General Counsel -
Don Wright don.wright (at) ncsbe.gov



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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #1
69. Cops are the last ones I'd call
They're clearly against Democrats. Call the election commission for your state.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
92. Call the local Democratic party too, just to make sure the cops follow up.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
2. What is...
Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004, Alex.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:11 PM
Response to Original message
3. Contact the police, the secretary of state, & the state attorney general.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. Yep, that would be illegal.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Absolutely illegal! When you register voters, you are responsible for
doing it absolutely according to the law. You MUST return ALL registration forms that have been completed, or evern partially completed.

No exceptions.

I know that Republicans do this all the time, but it's always a crime. And a serious one.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #3
87. And the FBI
and send a follow up email to show that you have contacted and discussed it with them to make sure it doesn't get swept under the rug
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. That has to be counted as some type of voter fraud
and they think ACORN is corrupt??? Once again; THEY ARE PROJECTING!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:15 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. It is
and it is ilegal. Now if the law says a thing is distant from whether it is enforced.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
14. No, it is not voter fraud. As Kestral points out below, it is election fraud.
I do believe that American English is your second language but I think it is important that you understand the distinction.

Voter fraud is what the Republicans like to pretend is a huge issue in this country (it is not... it barely is a blip) in order to deflect attention from election fraud (a very real issue) which is the illegal machinations to disenfranchise voters.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I said it is ilegal
Edited on Sun Oct-30-11 07:42 PM by nadinbrzezinski
that hard to understand?

Ok in my native tongue, es ilegal. No creo que la ley vaya a hacer algo al respecto, me temo.

Por cierto es supresion de votantes.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #15
16. The fact that it is illegal (so is voter fraud) does not change the fact that you
misidentified the crime.

Throwing away voter registration cards is election fraud. Voter fraud and election fraud have distinct definitions.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Suprecion de votantes
es lo que es. De hoy en adelante te escribire en Espanol. Y necesito la practica. Gracias. Perdona la falta de acentos. Me temo es doloroso en la computadora. No esta puesta en Espanol como su sistema operativo.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. Go ahead, write in Spanish if you feel the need. Oh, and you are welcome.
Also, on my Mac and most likely on PCs you can use the modification keys to create accents like this "ñ" and this "é".
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Por supuesto
pero en fin...

:hi:

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #17
39. Ne Nadin chan!
私はその気持ちを知っている。また、日本語で書くのは難しい!Watashi ha sono kimochi o shitte iru. Mata, nihongo de kaku no wa muzukashii!

^^"
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #39
53. Neis i weld ti'n 'sgwennu yn Siapaneg.
:D
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #53
85. Ihr seid verfluchte hunde!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #85
88. rech wlyb wyt ti, ond dwyt?
Edited on Mon Oct-31-11 03:19 PM by geardaddy
:D

j/k
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #53
106. Cool! What language is this?
Edited on Tue Nov-01-11 05:18 AM by AsahinaKimi
Just curious.. guessing maybe.. Malaysian? Indonesian? haha, for I all I know, it could be Dutch! (Though I guess Dutch looks more like German!) I love languages..my next project is to learn Korean, one day. I still need to practice my Japanese to become better!! My friend has been teaching me her Taiwanese version of Mandarin.. I don't know how to type it in Kanji yet.. but I can type it in
pin ying!

She tells me; "ru guo ni me yo tao dao tsue how wo hu da ni" ..which translates as ..If you don't do your best, I will beat you!! hahaha!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #106
110. It's Welsh.
I just said "It's nice to see you write in Japanese."

I love languages, too. I lived in Taiwan for four years and before that I lived in Beijing, so I learned Mandarin on both sides of the Taiwan Straight.

:D
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #110
114. Awesome!
Edited on Tue Nov-01-11 11:42 PM by AsahinaKimi
Wo hu to dou wudan shan!! (I think thats correct... I will kick down Wudan Mountain, a line from the movie, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.)

I learned how to say "Welcome" in Korean, Mandarin, Cantonese, and Thai:
1. Hwan Yeong! (Korean)
2. Huan Yin! (Mandarin)
3. Fun yihng! (Cantonese)
4. Yin dee ton Rub! (Thai)
5. Irasshaimase (Japanese) or e Yokoso!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #114
116. Wo hui ti dao wudan shan!
Edited on Wed Nov-02-11 08:59 AM by geardaddy
ti dao (kick down) 踢 倒
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #114
117. That's cool!
Here's Welsh for you.

Croeso (CROY-so)
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #39
54. なに?
What does the difficulty of Japanese have to do with anything?
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
84. I was trying to translate what you wrote...
Edited on Mon Oct-31-11 02:49 PM by SkyDaddy7
via Google translate...I got the part written in Japanese (I think) something about knowing the feeling of trying to write in Japanese?

Is that two different languages?

Just curious & trying to figure out how to use the translate tool I have on Firefox. LOL!

Thanks!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #84
105. two languges?
in a way.. There is Japanese which consists of Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji. Kanji is Chinese style lettering. There is the second part in Romaji. Romaji is Japanese, written using the alpha bet. So I basically repeated the same sentence.

She was saying how difficult it is to type in Spanish ..and I responded that it is equally hard to type in Japanese..(making sure the grammar and content is correct.)

The thing is, Google translate, really isn't the best for languages like Japanese. (It won't work for Romaji.) Often people have written to me something, and when I use the translator it comes out very messed up. So I often revert it back to Romaji..and I can some what understand what they have said better. I guess I speak it better than I can write it.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #105
107. Thank-you for the reply...
Yes, I realized what you wrote must have been too much for Google translate. LOL!

I follow a Canadian high school girl on You Tube who went to Japan as an exchange student her senior year learning Japanese. She loved Japan so much she returned after she graduated high school & went to college there while at the same time took up a job teaching English.

She did a video warning westerners who are thinking about getting a tattoo in the Kanji script to be sure it means what you want it too...Then she showed examples of how the Japanese people make the same mistakes in English...It was a funny video!

I tried to find the video so you could see it but I could not...I will if I can.

I have really enjoyed her videos...I can't travel due to a spinal cord injury but if I could Japan would be the first place I would go. I know things are not always as they seem especially from afar but the Japanese people seem so peaceful & NICE. Plus, I love the natural beauty of the country & the architecture!

Thanks again for replying & helping me understand what you wrote.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 06:45 AM
Response to Reply #107
108. Actually its wierd you mentioned that
Because in Japan, Tattoos are very much frowned upon. You can not bath in the public baths (onsen) if you are wearing at Tattoo. The reason is, the tattoo is often associated with the Japanese crime syndicate, called the Yakuza. Bathhouses will have you escorted from the premise if you have a tattoo, because for others to see it, may cause such a stirr, as to scare customers away from the Onsen, and many will never return. The onsen loses customers, they lose their business, as it becomes known as a place where the Yakuza hang out.

Owners of bathhouses will check to see if you do have any tattoos, and if you do, you will not be allowed in.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #108
111. I saw a show of the Yakuza...
Are they still like heroes in some people's eyes? Or maybe not heroes but many Japanese people are really interested in them...Lots of books, magazines & news stories about them sell really good?
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. People are afraid of the Yakuza
Many people do not trust them. Even when they were helping out during the Tsunami, Earthquake disaster, people did not trust them. They are like any crime syndicate, out for themselves.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #113
115. Right, I am sure they are only concerned for...
themselves...And the people of Japan should be very concerned about the influence the Yakuza has! The show I saw said they had started to crack down on them much more lately...I wonder if that has done any good?

Many of the Yakuza had cut their pinky fingers off to show their loyalty! YIKES!

I also saw how many of them had their entire bodies tattooed like you said! To be honest some of those tattoos looked really cool but I have always been one of those people who like to see tattoos on other people but I do not have a single one...Even though i was in the military when everyone was getting tattoos.

Thanks again for the replies! See ya around!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
93. Itway isway electionway audfray
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
89. English is NOT your first language?
I knew you resided in Mexico, but as your grammar and spelling are amongst the best here I had always assumed you'd immigrated from elsewhere. Impressive. I wish my French was as good as your English.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
96. Actually though, it is extremely important to distinguish between the two.
Republicans keep claiming there is voter fraud going on so they try to keep people from voting and get their base in a tizzy so that they can get stricter voting laws passed such as Voter ID etc... which disenfranchises people who would otherwise be able to vote legally.

Election fraud is all tricks Republicans use to rig the system, such as mess with registrations, not count ballots properly, use rigged voting machines, etc...

It's important to distinguish the two so that people understand there is barely any voter fraud at all and there is no reason to make it more difficult for people to vote except that the people that want to do it are Republicans and the people they are trying to disenfranchise are usually those who vote Democratic.

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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #14
38. Suggesting that the poster
misidentified the crime because American English is not their first language was mind-bogglingly condescending and bordering on bigotry.

:wtf:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. It's NOT voter fraud. The (prospective) voters have done nothing wrong.
It IS election fraud.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. thanks kestrel91316
keep pointing that out.

peace, kpete
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. It is a type of fraud by the registerer. NOT voter fraud.
There are different types of fraud involved in registration and voting.

Here's how I understand it:

1. Registration fraud - person registers with wrong name, address, or is ineligible to vote.
2. Voter fraud - Voter shows up and votes under invalid or incorrect name, such as someone else's name.
3. Election fraud - Fraud in the counting of ballots, setup of machines, prevention of valid candidates from being on the ballot, prevention of valid voters' ballots from being voted or counted, etc.

Election fraud is the type of fraud that in business would be called "control fraud". The controls of the system are being manipulated for fraudulent reasons.



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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. Actually voter supression if you are going to be technical
about it.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #18
41. I never realized english wasn't your first language
You've always made yourself very clear to me and I'm glad to see you back here posting! :hi:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #41
63. Yo tambien!
I've never had any problem understanding that particular poster.
AFAIC, always clear, and to the point.
nadinbrzezinski!
:patriot:



You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.
Solidarity99!
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #63
103. We are in agreement and I've always respected that poster
We both share a medical triage kind of mindset.
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DemOhio Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
35. ACORN
ACORN got in trouble because they followed the law. People will fill out forms and put names like Mickey Mouse and DOnald Duck. Well, under federal law, you MUST return every form even if it is clearly fake. It is the job of the local Board of Elections to eliminate the fake ones....not the person gathering the registration forms.

They do this because someone could, like the OP said, go through and toss out all the registrations they didnt like. They closed ACORN and cost thousands upon thousands their right to vote.


Report this asshole you HAVE to.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #35
73. +1000
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #35
81. The full story is even more aggravating
When ACORN got good at registering voters, Republicans figured they should do it, too. However, being Republicans, they couldn't just register people on the up and up, so they routinely shitcanned registrations for the "wrong" party. ACORN went to Congress, and a law was enacted that said basically if you're going to get into the voter registration "business," you must submit all the registration cards you get.

Republican ratfuckers are nothing if not resourceful, however. Stymied by their attempt to register only good Republican voters, they began working to paint ACORN as some sort of voter fraud factory. They filled out registration cards under fake names, and accused ACORN and other voter registration operatives as suborning voter fraud by submitting clearly fraudulent cards. ACORN countered this by helpfully bundling those cards separately for the convenience of registrars, pointing out that a little more scrutiny might by required of "Mr. Mickey Mouse at 123 Anywhere Place in Fuckyouville."

It doesn't stop Republicans from continuing to try to ratfuck the system. It's what they do, after all. Turn in your civic-minded "friend," and prepare yourself to ignore his caterwauling at being held to account.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #4
98. In fact, the is precisely what was at issue in most of that "ACORN voter fraud" crap
Some people ACORN had hired to collect signatures didn't do the work and filled in phony names. ACORN flagged these for closer attention by election officials due to their dodgy nature, but they were obligated to turn them in (so that 3rd parties can't pick and choose which forms they return).

Then the Republicans made hay about the bad forms and accused them of fraud.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:22 PM
Response to Original message
9. To Rethuglickers, winning isn't everything. It's the only thing.
Whatever it takes.

Disgusting.
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:35 PM
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12. There's that entitlement thingy going on here
being comfortable enough with Voter Fraud to post it on Facebook. I wonder how spread this is, i can bet that ass didn't run the voter registration booth by himself. And no telling how many voter registration events he put on.

Make this guy public.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:36 PM
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13. 'Our side' has done that too
In Sandy Springs GA I once observed a librarian toss a white middle-aged man's new voter registration in the little waste bin 5 minutes or so after we both registered to vote. IIRC in GA you don't register as a Republican or Dem. They have open primaries. Anyhow, I had stayed up front, perusing a shelf of new books.

The guy and I are close friends, we were going to the library together a few months after Katrina relocated me to ATL and I needed to register to vote.

After observing I found my friend deep in the stacks I told him what I observed. He laughed and replied he had only registered because I did and regretted it immediately because he realised having registered to vote would place him on the jury duty summons list. He was self-employed and could not afford to ever take days off from working. So he didn't want to investigate whether what I saw had actually happened.

One week later I received my voters registration card. My friend did not. He later checked and found he had not gotten registered.

Chicago and New Orleans have long been known for organised voting irregularities.

Never the less, no matter who does these kind of things they are wrong.

One thing which would help -I'm guessing-is to NOT have to register as an R or a D. ;)

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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:41 PM
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28. It's wrong regardless of who is doing it ...
... and I would be just as quick to report a fellow Democrat who I knew had done this as I would be to report a Republican.
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Laluchacontinua Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:28 AM
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43. Why would she toss some random guy's registration since he didn't ID by party?
what would be the motivation?

not questioning the story, just trying to understand the why.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:02 AM
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64. "Chicago and New Orleans have long been known for organised voting irregularities."

Once again to set the record straight ... Nixon cancelled the Illinois presidential election recount in 1960 because it turned up vastly more election fraud in the Conservative areas outside Chicago than inside Chicago.

I grew up on a farm in the smallest, least populated county in Indiana. Corruption was rife. Rural corruption makes city corruption look tame. The feds are watching the city. The newshounds are watching the city. The stakes are higher in the city.

Worse yet, the typical response to this thread by someone from rural areas is, "I've known the elected officials here since we were in kindergarten and know that you are wrong." That is what makes rural corruption so disgustingly easy. Useful idiots that can not believe anything bad about their church going, charity giving, hard working, down to earth, common sense, life-long friends.


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 07:50 PM
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20. Uh, catch me if I'm wrong, but I think that's a Felony.
:shrug:
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:33 PM
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27. Go full Brietbart on the fucker.

Go in with a video team and interviewer and ask him about the discarded voter registration cards. Mix it up with some images of civil rights battles in the past to the women's suffrage movement. Send out to all Media, New Media then give the finished piece and raw clips to the DNC and let them make menacing commercials about proof positive the GOP doesn't want you to vote. Here is how they train their "troops".

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1031623/43784153#c53
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:56 AM
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71. Yes it is.
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Marazinia Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:22 PM
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23. Oh well look at it this way
If they hadn't thrown them away, the voting machines would have.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:23 PM
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25. that would be registration fraud
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 08:55 PM
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29. thats election fraud. not the rarely scene voter fraud
happens all the time :(
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:17 PM
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30. This is highly illegal. nt
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idahoblue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:51 PM
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31. This is a federal offense.
Voter fraud is a federal offense and the elections official and FBI should be notified. Find out where they where disposed of, put a notice in your local paper so people will know that they may not have been registered during the Halloween festivities. Contact you local news service, they may enjoy the story.
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idahoblue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 09:59 PM
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32. RememberACORN?
They registered voters, some cards had names they knew were false but federal law did not allow them to discard the suspect cards. That is the job of the registrar of voters. The asshats who threw away cards broke the law. Keep us posted on what happens.
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idahoblue Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:01 PM
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33. correction
Meant to say election fraud.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 10:23 PM
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34. stuff like that has been going on for years - some places, it's the only way they win
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WingDinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 11:08 PM
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36. IN ADDITION, they could be civilly liable for denying those dems their constitutional rights.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-11 11:53 PM
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37. um federal crime, I think
and needs to be reported
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 01:24 AM
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40. Election fraud
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:20 AM
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42. How low can the Republicons go
wait, forget I asked...
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:36 AM
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46. "How low can the Republicons go?"
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:38 AM
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44. This kind of crime
only gets noticed by the media or prosecuted when the perception is that Democrats did it. ACORN is a prime example. Hell, Repubes lied us into war(s)for profit which is not just a crime, but a crime against humanity, punishable by a war crimes tribunal. Their moral standards are so low that election fraud barely registers.
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:22 AM
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45. K & R x 1000 n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:50 AM
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47. Thanks. Sent this to WTVD News Anchor Larry Stogner requesting investigation.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:51 AM
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48. disenfranchising voters should be criminal.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:59 AM
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49. It shouldn't be, it IS!
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:14 AM
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59. I don't think you mean what you just said, or said what you meant to say... N.T.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:05 AM
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65. Possibly unclear because of lacking a question mark.
It shouldn't be? It is!
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:11 AM
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50. Ummmm.. Voter registration forms do not include political party information,
at least not in my state -and it's not included in many others. What someone on Facebook *claims* to have done could very well be just so much bragging -and exaggerating.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:09 AM
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58. political party information
is included on registration forms in many places, so it is entirely possible that this is not "bragging and exaggeration", and it should be thouroughly investigated.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:07 AM
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66. Most states include party affiliation on the form.
I've had the worker at the DMV cross-out my voter registration based on checking the "Democrat" box.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:01 PM
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75. In California the forms
include numerous party affiliations to check if you so chose. You can also check 'decline to state'. This sort of registration dumping is rampant here in Orange County because the rethugs pay up to $12 for a rethug registration in some zip codes. They tell the people they hire to register voters to throw the registered dem cards away. When complaints are filed or irregularities reported, they claim they are not responsible because they did not register the voters.

During a volunteer registration tabling in '08, a woman approached our table and handed me a grocery bag. There were 28 completed voter reg cards in it. She had been paid to register voters for the rethugs. When she turned the cards in, they went through them to add up her 'pay'. They handed the dem voters back to her and told her they didn't want those. 'What am I supposed to do with them,' she asked? Whatever you want, throw them away, she was told.

She brought them to our table because she didn't know what to do w/ them.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:21 PM
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102. They do in my state...
or at least they did when I registered to vote. You had to pick a party affiliation; Democratic, Republican, or Independent.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:13 AM
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51. K&R
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 09:31 AM
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52. What is happening with this. Someone please let us know. REC. nt
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:04 AM
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55. k&r n/t
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:06 AM
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56. Those assholes! Turn them in.
A lot of people don't know who registered them, so when they go to vote, that is when they find out they aren't registered.

They're trying to make it harder to do "same day" registration here.
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Stratosgc Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:06 AM
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57. Dirty tricks are a republican specialty
This is a purely republican tactic. I register voters at the Democratic booth at the County Fair. We are under strict orders to register everyone who wants to register. All the forms are hand delivered to the County officials each day.
The old saw that "well both parties do it" is not true. The republicans have become the party of the screw job. Their credo is get rid of all the voters who don't look and think like them, and failing at that, tamper with the count. The election officials of the old Soviet Union would love the modern republicans.
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:27 PM
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97. Well put... I was just about to post approximately the same reply.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:19 AM
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60. The OP reported a federal crime.
The discussion devolves into an absolutely nasty argument over the exact label for said crime.

People wonder why I won't take this place seriously.


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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:27 PM
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77. bravo
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:52 PM
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86. heh. dailykos is having the same damned vicious argument.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:19 PM
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91. They're probably monitored by the same paid disruptors.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:29 AM
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61. that guy NEEDS TO BE REPORTED!!!!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 10:31 AM
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62. Not that I doubt that things like this happen, but without any screenshots or ID info,
and with the vague posts by the Dkos OP and lack of followup, I'm not totally convinced of the veracity of this particular story.
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Islandlife Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:16 AM
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67. Very sensational though, and very popular
Can't say much more until verified.
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Beavker Donating Member (784 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:18 AM
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68. It's typical republican crap...unless they are the victim
They love screwing people over. They laught and chuckle at it. They can't possibly fathom that they could have a hard time in life because they have been fortunate, or they have sold out and lie/cheat for a living, as this country absolutely loves...it's part of the American Dream.

I see it all the time on FB from my 'friends'.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:55 AM
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70. I would go straight to teh secretry of state, or district attorney. This is a serious crime.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:57 AM
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72. Solution: Motor Voter/State ID automatic registration
Won't get everyone but anyone issued a state ID would automatically be registered.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 11:59 AM
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74. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, kpete.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:15 PM
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76. did someone copy the guy's fb page? screen shot?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:34 PM
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79. there's been a history of the GOP doing exactly this.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 12:38 PM
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80. kpete- thanks for posting this and keep us apprised, please!
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 01:29 PM
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82. Repukes in Nevada made news doing this in 2004 election...It is certainly illegal.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 02:39 PM
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83. Voting machines, Electoral College, and this.
As a Canadian I already shudder at these first two differences in our electoral process. But one thing I've never understood is why you must reveal how you will vote when you register to vote! It encourages this type of fraud. I don't get it. Here you register to vote PERIOD. No one knows, ESPECIALLY voter registration offices, if you vote Con, NDP, Green, or Communist or Rhino.

What if someone registers as one party and then between then and the election changes their mind on who they will vote for? Actually it probably does the opposite. I can see how it entrenches the voter into "I'm registered as a _______ and so that's who I will vote for." Its all very odd to me.
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TheManInTheMac Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 03:16 PM
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90. Smells like BS to me.
No link to the FB page, no screenshot no name. Wonder if the friend was registering voters at the grocery store or the tire store.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:01 PM
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94. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
...but wouldn't these people -- who now think they're registered to vote -- constitute the VERY people that these same Rethuglicans are claiming are trying to institute voter fraud because they aren't on the rolls the day they show up to vote?

Are we seeing the CAUSE of the (very few) cases of voter fraud that these same motherfuckers like to yell and scream about every day?!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 04:06 PM
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95. Someone get a screenshot of that before it comes down.
I don't use FB. Yet. Might have to just to keep up with activist stuff!

That guys needs to go to jail. This is the kind of stuff Greg Palast talked about in Florida in 2000.



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Marazinia Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 09:12 AM
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109. It happened all over the map in 2004, too
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 05:45 PM
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99. Be sure you take the advice offered by the poster who said to take a screen shot.
Otherwise the evidence will be scrubbed.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 06:35 PM
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100. That is election tampering and is a punishable crime
Turn them in!!!!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-11 07:11 PM
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101. That's what proprietary software electronic voting machines do with Dem votes. nt
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-01-11 07:21 PM
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112. The guy who originally posted this on dKos has not followed up at all or indicated he did anything,
like simply taking a screenshot.

There really isn't any evidence this is not some kind of troll even though I'm sure stuff like he described happens all the time.

Takes the time to stir the pot on dKos but then no followup, even to quickly post "I took a screenshot and reported it to the authorities yay" even though there is no way to verify any of this.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-11 09:08 AM
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118. Sadly, if this happened it is illegal and this guy will protect his friend and do nothing.
It's illegal in more ways than one to register someone to vote and then throw away their registration.
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