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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:07 PM
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Cut the Payroll Tax to Save Social Security

Cut the Payroll Tax to Save Social Security

by Marshall Auerback and Randall Wray

One of the highlights of the president’s compromise on the tax bill is a temporary payroll tax “holiday” — something we have long advocated for along with others such as James K. Galbraith and Warren Mosler. The proposed deal would cut the tax by two percentage points from the current 6.2% applied on employment income up to $106,800. The beauty is that it can take effect immediately, raising weekly take-home pay and totaling about $112 billion in fiscal stimulus annually. Since the vast majority of Americans pay more in payroll taxes than in federal income taxes, it provides broad-based tax relief (unlike the original Bush tax cuts that were skewed to high income earners in part because they pay most of the federal income tax). The payroll tax itself is regressive because high income earners escape FICA taxes on most of their employment income, so reducing the federal government’s reliance on it should be celebrated. In other words, this holiday is a progressive’s dream come true.

Instead of cheers, however, the liberal left is worried about this plan. For example, Heidi Hartmann argues that it puts Social Security at risk because it will be difficult to end the “holiday” by restoring the two percentage points later. She also offers an alternative that would achieve essentially the same tax relief through tax rebate checks, thereby leaving the payroll tax alone. This is offered as a lower risk alternative because it is easier to stop the rebates than to restore payroll taxes, which will be seen as a tax hike. But her defense of the payroll tax is fundamentally misguided.

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Let us step back from the fray and try to understand just what is. In truth, it is an inter-generational assurance plan. Working generations agree to take care of retirees, dependents, survivors, and persons with disabilities. Currently, spouses, children, or parents of eligible workers make up more than a quarter of beneficiaries on the Old-age, Survivors and Disability Insurance program (OASDI). A large proportion will always be people without “normal” work histories who could not have made sufficient contributions to entitle them to a decent pension. Still, as a society we have decided they should receive benefits. (For more, see “Social Security: Truth or Useful Fictions?“, “Does Social Security Need Saving?” and “The Neocon Attack on Social Security.”)

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To understand the current set-up of Social Security, we need to go back to the Greenspan Commission, which tried to change Social Security from “paygo” (tax revenues equal benefits) to “advance funding” (taxes exceed spending) in 1983. Before the crisis, the payroll tax was set about two percentage points higher than necessary for total revenues to equal benefits paid. So the proposed payroll tax holiday essentially returns the program to “paygo”. But in truth, tax revenues never “pay for” benefit payments — either on an individual level or at the level of the program as a whole. This was well understood at the time the program was originated. However, President Roosevelt feared that Social Security would be seen as welfare or, worse, as socialism. So a fiction was maintained: that there would be both an individual link between taxes paid in and retirement benefits paid out (albeit, a loose one), and that at the aggregate level the payroll tax “pays for” benefits. Later, Greenspan’s Trust Fund would provide a buffer stock of “money in the bank” for the inevitable date on which a shortfall would occur. These twin beliefs are what James K. Galbraith would call a “convenient fiction” and over time they became a not so innocent “innocent fraud”.

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Wray also responds to skepticism in the comments:

Robin: Yes the enemies of SocSec are dishonest; but so are the supporters. Best to defeat dishonesty with the truth. Even if you do not understand how govt really spends (Peter has got it right), you can understand the argument that SocSec is said to face a “financing shortfall” precisely because there is a dedicated payroll tax. Without the tax it would be impossible to calculate a shortfall. Every year we move closer to the “Armageddon” date. Every year the enemies have more fuel. So even if you don’t understand or agree with our view on the “economics” you can see the argument Hartmann makes simply kicks the can down the road and keeps the enemies well armed.

That said, of course I agree with Peter and MMTP that the best course of action is to develop an understanding of govt finances. The Mosler book is a good place to start. There area also many simple expositions at http://www.cfeps.org.


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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:09 PM
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1. If you want to lower the rate, remove the cap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 03:14 PM by BrklynLiberal
I do not believe word one of this crap....

Liberals are left proclaiming they will never give up the payroll tax because that would be the first step on the road to dismantling the program. What if there were no payroll tax? What if Social Security were just another program, like defense or corporate welfare or farm subsidies? With no dedicated source of tax revenues, there would be no way to calculate “money’s worth” (infinite, just like corporate welfare!) or “unfunded entitlements” (zero, just like farm subsidies!). Government would continue to pay benefits in the same way it pays benefits today: by crediting bank accounts. Indeed, it is the only way a sovereign government ever makes payments. And it taxes by debiting bank accounts.


Merely the use of the word "Liberals" as a pejorative gives me all the info I need...
Like the repukes would continue to pay SS endlessly....right.

I have this bridge right near me I can sell you REAL CHEAP!!!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:09 PM
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2. Starve the poor to prevent malnutrition!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:11 PM
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6. well the poor don't count these days -- they dress so badly you know
They just won't *do* for that much wanted photo-op that the deck chair shuffling was supposed to bring about.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:09 PM
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3. the sweet, sweet smell of spin -- ahhhh! n/t
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:24 PM
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11. The spin is about to make me dizzy
I thought it was bad under bush* but I'll be damned if it isn't disorientating under Obama. Which way is up?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:10 PM
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4. Lalalala I can't hear a thing until the cap is removed
Or did I miss that part?

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:10 PM
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5. With all there is to offend me these days, it's funny how the command "discuss!"
Still manages to enrage me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:11 PM
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:13 PM
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8. War is Peace!
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:14 PM
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9. Please read the piece. Also
feel free to comment at the site. Looks like they're open for a discussion.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:27 PM
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13. I read it. It's still bullshit. But thanks for posting all the same
Good to know the talking points they're running with
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:30 PM
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14. "talking points "
That's what you took from this piece, "talking points"?

Whose talking points do you think Auerback, Wray and Galbraith are pushing?

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:41 PM
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16. LOL "inter-generational assurance plan" sounds better than "you're f**ked"
:-)

I'm not knocking them. I admire the talent that goes into spinning this crap
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:50 PM
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18. Well,
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 03:50 PM by ProSense
claiming that Social Security is in danger has long been a tactic of fear mongers on the right.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:19 PM
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10. Marshall Auerback, a portfolio strategist and hedge fund manager, and L. Randall Wray, Professor of
Economics at the University of Missouri-Kansas City.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:25 PM
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12. It's going to take a lot
to discredit Auerback and Wray


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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:41 PM
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15. Prosense - you post pro-DLC stuff
Why should *I* believe Auerback and Wray?

Social Security payroll tax holiday is "temporary" - might as well make it permanent - there's no way they are going to allow the tax to return. We have to *borrow* from general funds to pay for the stupid holiday. At 120 Billion PER year even if it's only one year. In general, a BAD idea. The best idea right now is to remove the SS cap so the millionaires has to pay their share, not capped at 106,000.

Hawkeye-X
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:55 PM
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21. +1.
After Obama just caved to tax cuts for the rich I'm shocked that some don't see the inevitable changes that are coming.

There is no way you can convince me that this tax holiday won't become permanent. The Democrats are too scared and weak to fight it. Just look at Sherrod Brown's vote yesterday.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 05:47 PM
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30. What the hell does the OP have to do with the DLC?
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 05:49 PM by ProSense
"The best idea right now is to remove the SS cap so the millionaires has to pay their share, not capped at 106,000."

Again, the OP has nothing to do with caps. In fact, it's arguing against the whole idea that an individual's tax payments should be linked to the Social Security benefits he/she receives.





edited for clarity.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:47 PM
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17. Unrec
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:52 PM
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19. If we can truly afford the "payroll tax holiday" then why does the plan...
require its reimbursement through the General Fund?

I think that was something the Republicans put in. So maybe the tax cut itself isn't the poison pill, but this obligation to cover it is?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 03:55 PM
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20. We can always depend on you to bring us the Administration's viewpoint
:eyes:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:02 PM
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22. In all fairness...
I don't always agree with the OP, but I always learn something - at least an understanding of where the Administration is coming from with some of their decisions. Whether I support them or not is always my own decision, but at least I've examined all sides first.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:05 PM
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24. Are you confusing Roosevelt Institute fellows with the WH? n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-16-10 04:05 PM by ProSense
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 06:43 PM
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31. Are you confusing us with Blue DOGS?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 09:00 PM
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32. What does the OP have to do with blue dogs, and who is "us"? n/t
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:03 PM
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23. Remove the damn cap.
Then the rate might be reduced a bit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:06 PM
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25. The OP piece
has nothing to do with caps. Nothing.

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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:06 PM
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26. Unrec!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:10 PM
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28. I'd love to see the Reagan hikes reversed
and the cap raised to make up for it. I'd also like to see Social Security removed from the General Fund and restored to the pay as you go, stand alone old age and disability insurance it was meant to be. Those are the only ways to ensure its long term survival.

Some people will always piss and moan about putting more in than they get out, but that's the way insurance works.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-10 04:28 PM
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29. Testimony by James K. Galbraith and Lloyd M. Bentsen, jr. before the House, February 2009
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4. Social Security and Medicare Are Not the Problem

A repeated theme from certain quarters holds that the financial meltdown is only a side-show, that the real “super sub-prime crisis” is in the federal budget, and that the most urgent need today is “entitlement reform,” which is code for cutting Social Security and Medicare, in the guise of saving those programs. Some of this was heard earlier this week at the White House meeting on “fiscal responsibility.”

These arguments are both mistaken and dangerous.

By long-standing political convention Social Security and Medicare are attached to designated funding streams – portions of the payroll tax. It was the original intent that Social Security benefits would be largely matched by these taxes, but this was never true for Medicare, and as the aging population grows and lives longer it has become contentious for Social Security as well. Thus we have frightening estimates of “unfunded liabilities” running to the scores of trillions of dollars over long or infinite time horizons, with dire warnings that these will drive the entire government of the United States into bankruptcy, whatever that means.

These arguments are testimony to the power of accounting to cloud men’s minds, and not much else. Let me make some obvious points.

First, a transfer program reassigns claims to output. It neither creates nor destroys production. What comes from somewhere, goes somewhere else. Thus Social Security liabilities to the government are matched by assets in the hands of the aged and those who will become aged -- that is to say, in the hands of citizens of the country. From the standpoint of the country, the two sides of the balance sheet necessarily balance. Talk about “unfunded liabilities” without discussing the corresponding assets is intrinsically misleading: the liabilities in question are owed to citizens of the United States, and represent to them a very modest degree of income security and as well as access to medical care in old age.

There is no operational reason why the country cannot transfer income to its elderly, as a group, as much or as little as it wishes. The supposed inter-temporal aspect of this transfer is meaningless, for two reasons. First, the goods and services actually provided to the elderly at any point in time are always produced only shortly before they are used. Second, the workers on whom the liabilities supposedly fall today, are the same people who accrue the assets that they will enjoy later. It is true that Social Security’s real burden will rise as the population ages: from about 4.5 percent to about 6.5 percent of GDP over the century ahead. There is no reason to be afraid of this, it is simply the mechanical consequence of the fact that there will be more old people to care for. Those people would exist, and would be cared for to some degree, without Social Security. But the process would be much more erratic, much less fair, and subject to the neglect and petty cruelties of private financial relations.

The only issue posed by a deficiency of payroll taxes, now or later, is whether the funds devoted to Social Security and Medicare might be described as coming, in part, from other sources: from the wealthy, or from bondholders. So what if they are? There is no reason in principle why income or estate taxes (as the late Commissioner Robert Ball suggested), or a financial transfer tax, could not be assigned to cover Social Security and Medicare costs. The Social Security compromise of 1983, which raised payroll taxes on my generation, plainly envisaged that the obligations to cover my generation’s retirement would come, in due course, from somewhere else. That is what “paying back the Trust Fund” is all about.

Part of the worry about “entitlements” relates to borrowing, and thus to future deficits. Are these “unfunded liabilities” so large as to threaten the creditworthiness of the government? Clearly this is not the case. Despite immense efforts by the gloom-and-doom chorus on this question, the government of the United States is today funding itself, long term, for less than it did in the 1950s. Solvency was not a question then and is not a question now. This also suggests that the long-term deficit projections for the government as a whole, though much discussed at the fiscal responsibility summit, are not a worry for the financial markets, either.

The preoccupation with Social-Security-and-Medicare is actively dangerous to the prospects for economic recovery. Why? Because it raises concern and anxieties among today’s working population, who have been told repeatedly that these programs will not be present for them when they will need them. The rational individual response, in that case, is to save more and spend less. I don’t think this effect is very large, right now, but it is a risk. There are cases in the world (notably in China) of distressed populations over-saving obsessively, to try to provide for security that could be provided much more cheaply by social insurance.

More immediately, our elderly population is under a tremendous squeeze, from the stock market collapse, from falling house prices and from falling interest rates. It has already lost, through these channels, a major part of its wealth. The economist Mark Zandi told the House Democratic Caucus in December that this alone could subtract around $200 billion per year from total spending, and the situation is worse now than it was then.

Talk about the supposed need to cut back on Social Security and Medicare thus gets in the way of the discussion we should be having. This is over how to use these programs to get us out of the hole we are in. Each them could be powerful and useful. To wit:

– a permanent increase in Social Security benefits would help offset the losses that the elderly population, as a group, is suffering on its equity investments and its cash holdings. A thirty percent increase in Social Security benefits would not repair individual losses, but it would keep the elderly out of poverty as a group, and relieve severe difficulties in many individual cases.

– a payroll tax holiday would powerfully ease the financial situation of America’s working families, giving them roughly an 8.3 percent pay increase and their employers a comparable reduction in the cost of keeping them on the job. Many mortgages would be paid, and many cars purchased, that otherwise would default or go unsold.

– a reduction in the age of eligibility for Medicare would be a powerful response to the industrial crisis, permitting many older workers who would like to retire but who cannot afford to lose health insurance to do so. This would relieve health burdens from private industry, while not infringing on the employer-insurance systems still in effect for the prime-age workforce. Note that transferring workers from private health care to Medicare in this age bracket has no real economic cost: the same health care is provided to the same people. In fact, the reduction in private insurance claims and bookkeeping constitutes a real saving.

These measures are among the most promising available at this moment. Congress should be prepared to use them if and when it becomes clear that the present policies are insufficient. And the historical linkage between Social Security and Medicare benefits and the payroll tax should then be broken. Social Security and Medicare obligations should be treated, henceforward, as simply the bonded obligations of the government – like net interest, backed by the full faith and credit – thus making explicit what is obvious to any careful observer, which is that these programs cannot go “bankrupt” anymore than the government of the United States can go bankrupt, which it cannot.

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