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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:28 PM
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"Duggar family keeps growing! Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar expecting 20th child "
I don't care what anyone says, this is SICK! 20 kids and she had complications with number 19. He was born premature. Overpopulation obviously means NOTHING to the Duggars.

They make me ill. :(

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While many are still surprised each time the ever-expanding brood announces a new family member, the mom of 19 says she was most shocked to learn she was expecting at age 45.

“I was not thinking that God would give us another one, and we are just so grateful,” she says. “I feel good. I am past the sickness stage now.”

The couple, who star on TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting,” live in Tontitown, Ark., and are parents to children Joshua, 23; twins Jana and John-David, 21; Jill, 20; Jessa, 19; Jinger, 17; Joseph, 16; Josiah, 15; Joy-Anna, 14; twins Jedidiah and Jeremiah, 12; Jason, 11, James, 10, Justin, 8, Jackson, 7; Johanna, 6; Jennifer, 4; Jordyn, 3; and nearly 2-year-old daughter Josie, who survived a medical emergency when she was born at only 25 weeks.

Despite suffering from gall-bladder problems as well as preeclampsia during her last pregnancy, Michelle abstains from birth control and says she leaves her family planning up to God.<snip>

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/duggar-family-growing-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-expecting-20th-child-article-1.974363#ixzz1d9wy5RXg



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:30 PM
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:31 PM
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2. They need to give her uterus its own zip code
But seriously...her body, her choice.

And yeah, I don't think it is healthy. At all.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:31 PM
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3. All I have to say is....
:puke:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:32 PM
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4. I thought that show was called 'Hoarders'? n/t
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:32 PM
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5. Mmm. . . maybe some vaginas *are* clown cars. . .
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bluedave Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:34 PM
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6. no wonder
there's now over 7 billion of us.:wtf: :rofl:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:34 PM
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7. dont
really care
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LLStarks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:34 PM
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8. It'll be fun to see how many get to go to college. nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:27 PM
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17. They'll be home-colleged
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:35 PM
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9. Long thread earlier
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:48 PM
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13. Thank you! At least I'm not alone in my feelings.
:hi:
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AmericaIsGreat Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:35 PM
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10. What do they do for a living again?
Where the hell is all this money coming from?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:44 PM
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12. I think it all comes from their TV show.
But I'm not sure. The only time I pay attention to these people is when they have another kid.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:49 PM
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35. They incorporated their family as a church and don't pay taxes.
The house is also a religious property and tax free and they take tithes from other church members. Add to that the donations that are tax exempt and the TeeBee show and y'all got a heck of a scam.

I wonder how long it will be before one of his daughters is blessed by gahd.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:38 PM
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11. One of their sons has 2 children...
and wants to beat his parents "record".:crazy:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 06:53 PM
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14. Isn't there some argument that RWers use against "the left" that
"you shouldn't have children unless you can afford to care for them"?

Usually aimed at the (minority-types) "welfare queens"???
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:32 PM
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20. Are the Duggars on welfare?
or taking some other sort of government aid?
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B2G Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:35 PM
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21. Not a fan but
They aren't on any form of assistance. Whatever floats your boat, as long as they can afford them.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:17 PM
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46. So, twenty little tax deductions isn't "assistance"?
We're all paying for it.

:eyes:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:36 PM
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22. They have a TeeVee show on TLC and I think that's where they get their money. n/t
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:38 PM
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23. Don't think so.
From what I have read, the father's business brings in the money. Plus, you know they do not pay taxes with all those dependents.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:42 PM
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32. Don't think so
But what they did do was declare their home a church and pay no property taxes on the house or, as far as I know, the land that it sits on. This is what I read anyway. As for her, she's 45, she almost died last time, the kid almost died and has developmental problems because of being a micro-preemie, so why she is doing this is beyond me. It's deeply irresponsible.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:18 PM
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15. Idiots
"I was not thinking that God would give us another one ..... "

God didn't give you another one your husband's sperm and your egg mixing gave you another one.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:22 PM
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16. That's just disgusting. nt
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:29 PM
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18. Yup, can't help but agree. n/t
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:31 PM
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19. Using the god theory
Single women and girls would not get pregnant unless god wanted them to
So it should be up to the churches to help support these children
because it is god's decision
and the right wing should embrace this
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:26 PM
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27. I just finished translating a Catholic propaganda DVD...
and they say that essentially you're born in God's grace if you're born to a married Catholic family (only), and having children any other way is essentially a human rights violation, because every child has the right to be conceived and born that way.

:crazy:
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yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:42 PM
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24. They all appear happy. eom
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 07:49 PM
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25. Either you are pro choice or you aren't.
This is her decision.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:21 PM
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26. Sorry. Bullshit.
Being prochoice means you support the RIGHT to choose.

It does not mean you have to agree with the choice and ... drum roll ...

It does not mean you have to stay silent about it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:29 PM
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28. The oldest Duggar girls are raising all the younger kids while mom is busy popping out
more babies. This family is nothing but a Quiverfull Cult. There is no way those children are getting what they need from mom and dad. It's IMPOSSIBLE for one mom and one dad to nurture and care and give to 20 children what they all need to grow emotionally healthy. This borders on Child NEGLECT.

From feminists
<snip>
Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff, a former ardent Quiverfull adherent, mother by birth of eleven children, and former editor of Gentle Spirit Magazine, argues that the Quiverfull movement is one "in which women and children are routinely and systematically subordinated and subjugated by the men in their lives - fathers, husbands, older sons,. . .pastors, elders, leaders - as a matter of biblical principle."<31> Seelhoff charges that Quiverful adherents "never talk about the victims of the movement," other than to distance themselves from the charges by explaining that the victims are aberrations.<32><33>
From other sources

Children who have fewer siblings tend to do better in measures of educational achievement than children who have more siblings; this is one of the most consistent results to emerge from the statistical analysis of large data sets that pertain to child development. There are competing theories that try to explain this performance discrepancy, and none is universally accepted, although multiple researchers attribute it to what they call "resource dilution". This is the notion that parents' resources of time, money, and energy are finite, that when their resources must be divided among more children each child receives a correspondingly smaller share, and that this may diminish their opportunities and achievement. Whether the inverse relationship that exists between number of siblings and educational achievement is due to this mechanism or some other one will naturally be of interest to couples who aspire to many offspring. It should be remembered, however, that statistical results derived from large groups may not be predictive in any particular instance. Every child grows up with a unique constellation of positive and negative developmental influences, with some relatively unpredictable few of those factors typically overwhelming most of the others in their impact on his particular outcomes. Research results from the statistical analysis of large data sets can suggest factors to evaluate when considering individuals, in other words, but such research cannot determine which of the developmental factors that any particular child is exposed to will predominate in the formation of his or her personal outcomes.<34><snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiverfull
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:40 PM
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31. i don't see anyone calling for some legal ban on her having kids, we can still judge them
the worst thing about this is that the last child had serious health problems, probably still does. yet they still want to have more kids who are likely to face similar challenges.

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eggplant Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:17 PM
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38. Exactly.
It's nobody's business but theirs.
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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 10:55 PM
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41. This is true
Edited on Wed Nov-09-11 11:04 PM by Scairp
But really, they are out of control, and since THEY chose to put their lives and decisions on television for money then anyone who wants is allowed to criticize them. They have become grandparents twice now, so why they couldn't just focus on finishing the raising of the still very young children they themselves have (13 kids still under 18, 7 of them age 10 yrs. or younger!), and enjoy the grandchildren is a mystery to me. I don't care how pious they act, they are addicted to the attention that having this many children has given them. When she does eventually go through menopause, I predict a deep depression as she will have lost the ability to become the center of attention anymore by getting pregnant. You talk about it being her choice, but not so long ago, women had very few choices as regarding birth control, family planning and pregnancy. She should be grateful she has choices instead of ignoring this part of modern life. They as parents have set a very poor example to their children about when a choice is good or bad and how to be responsible. It isn't responsible to eschew birth control and family planning in this day and age, and I hope their daughter-in-law begins to see that going down this same road of "taking as many" children as "god" will give them is not such a great philosophy after all. Girl looks tired already and she's only had two.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:34 PM
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29. despicable child abuse, and unconscionably irresponsible behavior
this psychotic xerox-machine needs to be sterilized, possibly institutionalized...

Despite suffering from gall-bladder problems as well as preeclampsia during her last pregnancy, Michelle abstains from birth control and says she leaves her family planning up to God.


...but instead in this country, we give people like this their own TV show. Beautiful.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:45 PM
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33. I know. We are such a screwed up country and I cannot believe there's DUers on here
who support this child neglect. And it IS child neglect.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:39 PM
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30. "leaves her family planning up to God"...
working out real good for you, isn't it?
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:46 PM
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34. Sad...
that you care about one families decision!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 08:50 PM
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36. Why shouldn't people care about the Duggar's Child Neglect?
NONE of those children are getting what they need to grow up emotionally healthy. Why do you support child neglect?
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-11 09:06 PM
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37. that families' irresponsible behavior affects our society at large
Edited on Tue Nov-08-11 09:13 PM by Alamuti Lotus
goddamn right we care about the harm the parents are doing to themselves, their children, and society at large by this insane behavior; the fact that this holy xerox machine then has a TV show to glorify their disastrous lifestyle is unbelievable.
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bluedave Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 08:23 AM
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39. O noo- a termite queen
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-11 09:03 AM
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40. I only wish....
The M$M wouldn't keep calling this NEWS.

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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 01:57 AM
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42. Well, you might think the kids are neglected, but
I don't see any evidence that they are. They are probably getting a whole lot more family values instilled in them from their home environment than most of the other kids growing up today. It's different, it seems weird to most of us, but it's not 'wrong.' The many kids born to parents who haven't even got a CLUE how to do it right are the sad thing to me, and I have a feeling all these kids are going to grow up to be good people and a blessing to the planet.

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Occupy_2012 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:19 PM
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43. Here's the "harmless family values" they're getting.
http://nolongerquivering.com/

Some quotes:

On women's suffrage, Rev Brian Abshire: "In regards to a woman’s right to vote; if husband and wife are truly “one flesh” and the husband is doing his duty to represent the family to the wider community, then what PRACTICAL benefit does allowing women to vote provide? If husband and wife agree on an issue, then one has simply doubled the number of votes; but the result is the same. Women voting only makes a difference when the husband and wife disagree; a wife, who does not trust the judgment of her husband, can nullify his vote. Thus, the immediate consequence is to enshrine the will of the individual OVER the good of the family thus creating divisions WITHIN the family." http://christian-civilization.org/articles/biblical-patriarchy-and-the-doctrine-of-federal-representation/

Wife abuse,“I had a woman who was in a church that I served, and she was being subject to some abuse, and I told her, I said, “All right, what I want you to do is, every evening I want you to get down by your bed just as he goes to sleep, get down by the bed, and when you think he’s just about asleep, you just pray and ask God to intervene, not out loud, quietly,” but I said, “You just pray there.” And I said, “Get ready because he may get a little more violent, you know, when he discovers this.” And sure enough, he did. She came to church one morning with both eyes black. And she was angry at me and at God and the world, for that matter. And she said, “I hope you’re happy.” And I said, “Yes ma’am, I am.” And I said, “I’m sorry about that, but I’m very happy.”

And what she didn’t know when we sat down in church that morning was that her husband had come in and was standing at the back, first time he ever came." http://dannimoss.wordpress.com/clergy-abuse-links/abuse-in-the-church/paige-pattersons-views-on-domestic-violence/

Wife and child abuse, child molestation, "If you or your children have been hit (other than the children being spanked) so as to leave discernable marks two hours later, and you genuinely fear that he will repeat his battering, you can take legal steps without divorcing your husband. In a moment when he is not angry, calmly inform him that the next time he physically assaults you or the kids, you are going to call the law and have him arrested. You must first resolve in your heart that you are willing to prosecute him and see him go to jail. I visit prisons every week. It is a great place to mull over the consequences of one’s deeds. And I have never met a prisoner that turned down a visit from anyone. Think about it, lady; it is a great time for writing love letters and sharing a three-minute romantic phone call once a week. Guys who get out of prison run straight home to their ladies and treat them wonderfully—for a while anyway.

But if your husband has sexually molested the children, you should approach him with it. If he is truly repentant (not just exposed) and is willing to seek counseling, you may feel comfortable giving him an opportunity to prove himself, as long as you know the children are safe. If there is any thought that they are not safe, or if he is not repentant and willing to seek help, then go to the law and have him arrested. Stick by him, but testify against him in court. Have him do about 10 to 20 years, and by the time he gets out, you will have raised the kids, and you can be waiting for him with open arms of forgiveness and restitution. Will this glorify God? Forever. You ask, “What if he doesn’t repent even then?” Then you will be rewarded in heaven equal to the martyrs, and God will have something to rub in the Devil’s face. God hates divorce—always, forever, regardless, without exception." Michael Pearl http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/articles/general-view/archive/1999/september/01/abusive-husband/

Marriage is war, David Bayly: "The young man who pursues marriage enters a foreign land where he wages war. On the hinges of that battle lie happiness or shame. But though a potential bride may be deeply loved, she’s also at some level the foe. To achieve victory the young man must not only win her, he must defeat her and her family, snatching her from their bosom, converting her to himself, breaking her natural bonds with father and mother, brother and sister, nurse and friend, dog and home. There’s little that’s tender about it. …

"It is war, and the quicker our children understand this the better. It is war against sin. It is the breaking of families and established orders. It is secession and union all in one, penetration and insemination, not merely lacy ruffles and Pachelbel canons but velvet-gloved violence. All this courtship conceals. But it will out—in marriage if not before." http://www.baylyblog.com/2007/11/wooing-as-warfa.html

Education for women teaches sin, "Why, then, do so many advocate a young woman leaving home and preparing for the roles, responsibilites and vocations given to men rather than those given to women? No college or career can prepare us for the offices of helpmeet, mother, homemaker, and submissive, dependent woman. Colleges may offer classes in home economics, but no courses are offered in Godly Motherhood 101, How to be a Helpmeet, or How to Submit to Your Husband." Miss Rebekah Ann S. http://byhisgraceandforhisglory.blogspot.com/2009/11/biblical-case-for-stay-at-home.html

“The priests and priestesses of the 21st century would have us believe that the most sacred of our cultural holy cows come from the temples of feminism.

"One such sacred cow is the notion that truly enlightened, responsible Christian parents should mortgage their homes to send their daughters to the carnival culture of college, to live for four years in co-ed dormitories, and under the tutelage of Babylonian high priests called professors, so that these blood-bought daughters can aspire to become the next generation of independent working women of the world. Another sacred cow is the notion that people either believe in sending daughters to college or they are small-minded, anti-education, woman-dominating bigots.

"Incredibly, these mad-cow disease-infected sacred bovines of modern feminism have left the dung fields of their secular temple culture and have migrated in herds to the living rooms of our Christian community. There they dwell—mooing, snorting, and wreaking havoc on the peace of the Body of Christ. ” Doug Phillips, http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2007/09/

Mothers have no authority over their children, “Let me move from the foundational principle to the practical application. I frequently have people ask me if my wife homeschools my children. I understand their question, and recognize they don’t mean this in any negative way, but this question irks me. My response is,
“No, my wife doesn’t homeschool my children. I do.” The questioner immediately then assumes that I sit down at the table for hours each day and conduct lessons. Part of this is due to an almost universal assumption that the only way to educate students is through artificial curriculum rather than the more scriptural “discipleship” approach. (For more on that, you can order my Tape #501 “Homeschooling vs. Discipleship.”)

"But the deeper confusion results from a failure to understand the role of a helper. I’m not my wife’s helper with her children. She is my
helper with my children." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BoldChristianLiving/message/23

Should women participate in sports? "For those of us who believe we should train our daughters according to Titus 2, 1 Peter 3, and other Biblical passages, my answer is “Yes, it is not good.” I propose that sports greatly hinders the development of godly, Biblical, feminine character.
http://www.ladiesagainstfeminism.com/artman/publish/Hot_Button_Issues_2

"Abortion in case of etopic (non-viable) pregnancy: "Second, while the unborn baby in the case of an ectopic pregnancy may pose a threat which could materialize into a harm to the mother, the threat is not imminent in the classic sense, nor is it conclusive that the baby’s presence necessarily will cause harm. All that is known is that it might cause harm. Consequently, the murder of the baby takes place in anticipation of a statistical possibility. Here again, the biblical requirements for justifiable homicide are not met.” Doug Phillips http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2003/09/

On women wearing pants, "Only a rebellious woman, who deliberately disobeys the Word of God, would wear pants. It is clear from these unsaved singers why women should not wear pants. Pants on women are adulterous in nature, and cause men to lust and sin. Jesus made this clear in Matthew 5:28, “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Women who wear pants deliberately cause men to lust, and commit the sin of adultery. It is this spirit of fornication which has caused tens-of-millions of unwanted pregnancies in the United States, and 48,000,000 abortions in America. Rock-n-Roll, Big Band, and the roaring 20′s are much to blame. Along with these swingy types of music came dancing, one of the biggest sins of all. Billy Sunday was right to preach against dancing, and by the way… ALL dancing is dirty dancing unless it’s between a husband and wife in the privacy of their home.

"The average person today scoffs at the idea that Rock-n-Roll, Satanism, and immoral sex go hand-in-hand, but they certainly do. When Rock-n-Roll came to America, so did pants on women become mainstream. Naturally, feminism, witchcraft, abortion, and homosexuality came as well. Rock-n-Roll is straight from the pits of Hell. ALL rock-n-roll women wear pants.” David J. Stewart, http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Womens%20Page/pants.htm

Still think these are "wonderful family values"?
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Occupy_2012 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 02:57 PM
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44. What is "discipleship home schooling"?
Edited on Thu Nov-10-11 03:00 PM by Occupy_2012
One of the quotes I posted above refers to a guy saying he, not his wife, "homeschools" his children, by "discipleship" homeschooling. I didn't know what that meant, so I looked it up.

Quote # 1: "The method I found is called "discipleship homeschooling." You live life with your kids and they learn things by living life with you. That does not mean that they don't do anything academic, but the focus is not academics for academics sake...Back then, I couldn't imagine the absurdity of not being overly concerned with curriculum. "What was this guy talking about? I mean, isn't curriculum at the heart of homeschool? He is of his rocker. I have to find the right curriculum or my son's education/life/chance for success will be ruined."

"Now, I feel that he has hit the nail on the head. If we focus on curriculum and not the heart of our children and their relationship with God and their family, then we are failing in the biggest way possible. That is what I was doing--focusing on the curriculum and standards of the "world" and ignoring the very hearbeat of God. I want to follow God and not man, even if it is a risk of a very large proportion."

Quote #2: "My dh and I have come to the decision through prayer, that we will let go of most of our curriculum. My job as a mother is to nurture my children and teach them the ways of God. The most important thing is that they have a relationship with God and Jesus, not that they know everything their peers know. I know my kids will learn what they need to know on their own when they are ready, and if that time never comes, I will have to find ways to make it enjoyable for them to learn about it...through daily life...not through textbooks."

Quote # 3: "The PRIMARY goal of Christian education, regardless of where it takes place, should be DISCIPLESHIP, rather than ACADEMICS. Now, that's not to say we throw academics out. But, from a Christian perspective, what good is having a well-educated scholar, if that person isn't following the Lord?"

http://www.homeschoolspot.com/showthread.php?t=22039
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 03:12 PM
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45. Holy Crap. "What good is having a well-educated scholar, if that person isn't following the Lord?"
Those poor kids. They'll never make it in the real world.
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Occupy_2012 Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-11 04:40 PM
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47. My concern is that the world will change until this is acceptable.
Edited on Thu Nov-10-11 04:46 PM by Occupy_2012
I've spent a lot of time reading this stuff the last couple days. I don't think that education, or literacy, for girls is going to be sustained at all. Girls don't need to read. Their husbands are in charge of their souls going to heaven, so their husbands can read the Bible to them. They don't need to know anything else. I have read many quotes about education teaching girls to be disobedient. This is very similar to the reason for outlawing reading for black slaves.

I've also read many quotes about college being bad for boys, because it encourages them to be "unGodly" and surround themselves with "unGodly" people and ideas. Since it's also "unGodly" for women to work outside the home, men have to feed these 20 kids. How? Well, how are they doing it now? The Duggars pay no taxes because their family is a "Church." Deductions on 18 children is about $66,000 a year.

Either this will be like a Ponzi scheme that collapses under it's own weight, or more likely, a few more educated church members will employ vast numbers who will owe their lives to a "company store." As long as it's Christians doing the oppressing, it's all good.

I now understand why these people say they'd never vote for Romney. They're not kidding. In their eyes, he's going to hell. Cain and Perry are Christians, and as noted above, "What good is having a well educated scholar, if that person isn't following the Lord?" There is an invisible "vote Christian only" test, and Cain and Perry will always pass it. They don't believe a man cheating on his wife with a single woman is "adultery," it's only "adultery" if he is helping her cheat on her husband. If Cain is sleeping with single women, he's good with them.
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