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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 07:53 AM Original message |
Anger at Walmart heiress's $1.4bn gallery as art market becomes focus for protests |
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Itchinjim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. We have truly returned to the Gilded Age. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. +1.4 billion n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Yes, but it has been this way throughout history. Even if we don't like it |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. There is no charge to the public. It's free admission. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. it is a crime if they did half the shit they are accused of doing and |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. free admission until that money allocated for admission runs out. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. There are some great museums in what you call "flyover" country. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I think without a gilded ruling class there is no "art," just "craft". I think I'd be ok with that. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I know what you mean. Art becomes an ornament to display one's wealth, sadly. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Not only that, though. The very category of "high art" emerges as wealth is aggregated |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Art should, and must be, a "lived space" within us. That is my firm belief. |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I think the public "museum" is basically concurrent with the capitalist/modern age, though |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I think if we read history we see lots of artists getting into trouble... |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. The "struggling artist" concurrent with the commodification of "art," |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Cezanne absolutely did have a starting advantage. But my point was that |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I think a market relationship really IS a manifestion of patronage relationships, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It's good to remember that in early 15th century Florence, the guilds commissioned quite a bit |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yeah, not saying anything was the rule without exception (though, you know, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. then they said "enough!" and went and created their own society in a city! |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. It's a very interesting period indeed, and interesting to view its art as a reflection of that. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. The problem with this sort of analysis is that it assumes that the art "market" follows |
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WildNovember (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I don't see how you can say that the art market doesn't follow the tastes of the monied class. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Thank you for your thoughtful response. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
62. The Nelson Atkins museum in Kansas City is wonderful too |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. I live in a rural region myself, and it makes sense to me to put these |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. this gang of pirates had a daughter who paid someone to attend |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. was that Alice? |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
41. I'm not sure. I just read she was a daughter of one of them. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. I'm not sure. I just read she was a daughter of one of them. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. Do you have a link for that? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
63. I do remember the infamous Paige Laurie case: |
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CBHagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. "...without giving local institutions a chance..." |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. I've done research on what happened during the Gilded Age in terms of art. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. More out of touch billionaire bullshit. Tax them on their profits. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. I think it's time to start taxing these outrageous profits the way we tax lotto winnings. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
58. Right on, 40%. |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. Let's buy great art from |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
61. Yes, because great art should only be in major cities... |
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edhopper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Yes, that is what I am saying |
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BlueToTheBone (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. they cut the workers pay and benefits and Alice is so cheap |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. Amusing selection of art, considering the donor. Let them eat art. |
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Hestia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
12. You can thank the Walton heirs for coming up with the meme 'death taxes' |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
15. If their employees were actually paid, that museum wouldn't exist. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. There may be some Arkansan art majors who would love a job in a |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I've taken a lot of art classes, no way in hell would I work for the Waltons. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I hear you. And there may be art majors who believe the same thing. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. But there is now, $7.65 an hour, only twenty-one to thirty hours a week, no benefits. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Unfortunately, to work at what they love, plenty of art majors would be interested. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. +1000 |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. +1000 |
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Tom Ripley (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
22. That's why I enjoy art frauds and forgeries |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. It's a big business! There are some great stories about such frauds and |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. Did anybody watch "The Rape of Europa" on PBS? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Unfortunately, it is not airing on my local PBS stations...nor out of NYC either here. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. I thought they did a beautiful job, especially given the time constraints. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
38. What pisses me off is that the $1.4billion would have gone a long way |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. On balance I think the money should go to the employees. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. +1 |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
50. Sick. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
51. I saw Crystal Bridges dance at Cheetah's a few years back. |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:50 AM Response to Original message |
53. K&R! n/t |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
55. Patron of the arts |
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Logical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
56. Whining about this shit gives dems a bad image, it is a FREE PUBLIC Attraction! |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
59. How many families could she have lifted out of poverty if she had instead opened a business |
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