Adolf Hitler lived in Liverpool for 5 months before World War I

[xchrom]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Adolf-Hitler-lived-in-Liverpool-for-5-months-before-World-War-I/articleshow/10879668.cms

LONDON: Adolf Hitler stayed in Liverpool for five months before World War I in a flat which was destroyed by Luftwaffe bombers in the Second World War 30 years later, according to a new research.

The then 23-year-old shared the flat with his married half-brother Alois Hitler Jnr in Toxteth from November 1912 to April 1913.

During his stay, he wandered around the city and relaxed in the Poste House pub relishing pints.

NAZI Fuhrer also enjoyed a sightseeing tour of London and was so fascinated by Tower Bridge that he bribed his way into the engine room so he could see the machinery at work.

[MadHound]

1. Truly, it is scary how close in national feelings, sentiments and societal views

The British and Germans were/are. Their ruling/royal families were intertwined, their social practices and outlooks were quite similar, as were their political views. It was a bit of a toss up whether Britain and Germany would fight with or against each other in WWI, and Hitler personally had some serious reservations about attacking Britain, thinking that they should be fighting together in WWII, and because he actually admired the British. Many British also found it abhorrent to fight against the Germans, and many admired, and followed fascist doctrines.

[xchrom]

6. you might like this: Charles to become king of Romania?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Charles-to-become-king-of-Romania/articleshow/10877414.cms

LONDON: Speculation is rife in central European media that Prince Charles could become the next king of Romania if the country's monarchy is restored, and give up the British throne in favour of his eldest son William.

The 63-year-old British king-in-waiting could stake claim to the throne in Romania because of his "ancestral links" with historical Romanian ruler, Vlad the Impaler, and the country's deposed king, Prince Michael, according to the media. Even Prince Charles had revealed in an interview just a few weeks ago that he is related to Vlad the Impaler. "The genealogy shows I am descended from Vlad the Impaler, so I do have a bit of a stake in the country," the 'Daily Mail' quoted him as saying.

In fact, the central European media also claim that Prince Charles's mother, Queen Elizabeth II, is a third cousin to the deposed King whose great-greatgrandmother was Queen Victoria , the British newspaper said. Vlad the Impaler was the bloodthirsty nobleman who inspired Dracula while King Michael, now 90, was the last Royal ruler of Romania who reigned from 1927 to 1930 and again from 1940 to 1947.



*** i'd post it -- but it would just cause a brouhahaha about monarchies that i find boring.

[MADem]

10. Vlad the Impaler, eh?

I'm sure Camilla could speak to that comparison!

Try the veal, be sure to tip your servers...I'll be here all week! Ba-da-boom!

[LiberalEsto]

17. Charles, the Organic Beet Impaler

it boggles the mind

[Diclotican]

26. xchrom

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I think this is just a broahaha and nothing more.. Mostly becouse even after the monarcy was deposed of in Romania after world war 2, the familiy survived, and relocated to other places, and I guess if Romania again was to become a monarcy, their familiy have better right to the crown, than Charles of UK...

But then, I guess Charles, who are Prince of Wales wil posible be the king of UK, or if he shoose to, give the crown, to the next generations.. Oh wel his mother, Queen Elizabeth 2 of UK (and head of state for more than 30 other nations) wil posible live for a long time.. she is just 85, and some of her familiy have been known to be old as the world itself (her mother again Queen Mary was over 101 when she died..

Diclotican

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Have you got some references for Britain thinking about fighting on the German side in WWI?

There was a real possibility that Britain would have stayed neutral (especially if Germany hadn't invaded Belgium). But I've never heard anyone claim that Britain would have fought against France, with whom the Entente Cordiale had been signed a few years earlier. And any liking for Germany there was in Britain before WW2 was just as great in the USA - look at Lindbergh, and the support he had. Hell, even after Pearl Harbor, the USA didn't declare war on Germany as an ally of Japan. It waited for Germany to declare war first.

[FarCenter]

13. Theories of racial superiority were developed and widely believed in late 1800s Great Britain

[Bosonic]

14. and further afield as well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

[athenasatanjesus]

19. I can't believe people actually protested in favor of Eugenics.

That's the exact opposite reason to ever protest anything.

[coalition_unwilling]

20. And Britain has the dubious distinction of having come up with

that whole 'concentration camp' thing during the seoncd Boer War in South Africa, when Hitler was still knee-high to a grasshopper.

[eppur_se_muova]

22. Actually invented by the US, during the Spanish-American war in Cuba ...

they were known as "reconcentrado" camps.

[coalition_unwilling]

23. That would not surprise me, although i would have suspected

the Philippines (and what was done there by us to the Moros).

First I'd heard about Cuba, though.

Someone in a different thread suggested that the reservations for Native Americans were the true genesis of the concentration camp. I found that also an interesting point at the time it was made.

[cali]

18. can you provide some sort of evidence for the assertion

that it "was a bit of a toss up whether Britain and Germany would fight with or against each other in WWI"? No history that I've read- or primary sources I've seen, support that. Yes, Hitler had reservations about attacking Britain but that doesn't mean it was a two way street- and I've never seen anything that supports that "many British also found it abhorrent to fight against the Germans". Certainly there were those who supported and admired fascist doctrines- think Oswald Mosely, but I think the following Wiki excerpt is quite accurate

<snip>

The BUF claimed 50,000 members at one point<2> and the Daily Mail was an early supporter, running the headline "Hurrah for the Blackshirts!"<3>

Despite strong resistance from anti-fascists, including the local Jewish community, the Labour Party, the Independent Labour Party and the Communist Party of Great Britain, the BUF found a following in the East End of London, where in the London County Council elections of March 1937 it obtained reasonably successful results in Bethnal Green, Shoreditch and Limehouse, polling almost 8,000 votes, although none of its candidates was actually elected.<4> However, the BUF never stood in a General Election. Having lost the funding of newspaper magnate Lord Rothermere that it previously enjoyed, at the 1935 General Election the party urged voters to abstain, calling for "Fascism Next Time".<5> There never was a "next time", as the next General Election was not held until July 1945, by which time the Second World War in Europe had ended and fascism was discredited.

Towards the middle of the 1930s, the BUF's violent activities and its alignment with the German Nazi Party began to alienate some middle-class supporters, and membership decreased. At the Olympia rally in London, in 1934, BUF stewards violently ejected anti-fascist disrupters, with one protester claiming to have lost an eye, and this led the Daily Mail to withdraw its support for the movement. The level of violence shown at the rally shocked many, with the effect of turning neutral parties against the BUF and contributing to anti-fascist support. As one observer remarked "I came to the conclusion that Mosley was a political maniac, and that all decent English people must combine to kill his movement".<6> The reaction to the Olympia rally can be illustrated in the growth in British Communist parties from 1935 onwards.<7>
Final years and legacy

With lack of electoral success, the party drew away from mainstream politics and towards extreme antisemitism over 1934-1935, which saw the resignation of members such as Dr. Robert Forgan. Its provocative antisemitic activity in London led to serious, often violent, conflict, most famously at the Battle of Cable Street in October 1936, when over 100,000 anti-Fascists of English, Irish, Jewish and Somali (amongst others) descent successfully prevented the fascists from marching through London's East End.

Membership fell to below 8,000 by the end of 1935. The government was sufficiently concerned, however, to pass the Public Order Act 1936, which banned political uniforms and required police consent for political marches. This act hindered BUF activity, although in the years building up to the war they enjoyed brief success on the back of their "Peace Campaign" to prevent conflict with Germany. In May 1940, the BUF was banned outright by the government, and Mosley, along with 740 other fascists, was interned for much of World War II. After the war, Mosley made several unsuccessful attempts to revive his brand of fascism, notably in the Union Movement.

<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Union_of_Fascists

[truedelphi]

27. I sat in the Denver library three mornings in a row, reading

Through the extensive collection of Life Magazines that the central library held.

The "N" to describe a black person and the "K" word to describe a Jewish person were to be found in the letters to the editors, in the early nineteen twenties.

In 1936, Life Magazine had a pictorial of Hitler, his rise to power and what it meant to the world. And what it meant to the world, according to Life, was that there was now a unification of the European nations and that they wouldn't be divided into small duchies, but one vast, "efficient" enterprise.

There were two or maybe even four pages of how the Jewish populace in Germany was losing their rights, but this seemed to be dismissed,. After all, why have a bunch of annoying and differently named entities on a map, when you could have all of them under one name - Deutscheland!

It seemed to me that THE USA and its people were not that different from the German peoples. Except that in the nineteen thirties, we were a world away from the events, and our journalists and their editors could be blithe over such crucial matters as people of one of the oldest religions being banned from public transportation, from holding jobs, and even from going into ta park..

[trumad]

2. An early sighting of him in Liverpool.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. .

:spray:

(side note: Tues is the 10th anniversary of George's death, fwiw)

[trumad]

5. Have you seen the documentary of him on ---I think HBO?

[Dennis Donovan]

8. I @#$%& missed it!!!

I made it a point to remember to watch, but a shitload of weird things happened in October and I completely forgot about it... until now.:banghead:

Thanks trumad - off to the torrents to see if I can get a copy...

[Scuba]

9. +1 Thank you George. n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

3. Fascinating story...

His half-brother's son eventually emigrated to the US, where he changed his name. His sons followed suit and even went as far as to vow never to procreate, to let the Hitler gene die with them. I guess they never saw "Boys from Brazil"... ;-)

[whistler162]

30. And Hermann Goering's nephew flew with the 8th Air Force

http://www.millennialstar.org/goerings-mormon-brother-in-utah-and-usaaf-bomber-pilot-nephew/

[razorman]

7. Hitler---Liverpool---The Beatles. Coincidence? I don't think so.

[NoGOPZone]

15. The Beatles spent a lot of time in Hamburg in their early years

This is getting very suspicious.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. They put Hitler on their most famous album

The Beatles were more popular than Jesusaccording to 'John' Adolf Lennon.

They put Hitler on their most famous album

Sergent Pepper...... notice the military theme?
Wasn't Hitler a sergeant too.?


Hitler was on the cover according to the artist.
But now the artist who created it, Sir Peter Blake, has revealed for the first time that Hitler did make the final line-up for the sleeve, but was simply obscured by the Fab Four.

Sir Peter said: "Yes he is on there - you just can't see him."
he's behind the fab four.



Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/music/news/wheres-adolf-the-mystery-of-sgt-pepper-is-solved-13411115.html#ixzz1epRiAGho

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

28. And Paul played a Hofner bass guitar - German made

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

29. And the Beatles even recorded songs in German

Has anyone checked them for secret Nazi backmasked messages?

Komm gib mir deine Hand

(“I Want to Hold Your Hand”)
Music: The Beatles
German Lyrics: Camillo Felgen

O komm doch, komm zu mir
Du nimmst mir den Verstand
O komm doch, komm zu mir
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand

O du bist so schön
Schön wie ein Diamant
Ich will mir dir gehen
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand

In deinen Armen bin ich glücklich und froh
Das war noch nie bei einer anderen einmal so
Einmal so, einmal so

O komm doch, komm zu mir
Du nimmst mir den Verstand
O komm doch, komm zu mir
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand
Komm gib mir deine Hand

In deinen Armen bin ich glücklich und froh
Das war noch nie bei einer anderen einmal so
Einmal so, einmal so

Oh du bist so schön
Schön wie ein Diamant
Ich will mir dir gehen
Komm gib mir deine Hand...

[Bosonic]

12. Already uncovered by Grant Morrison and Steve Yeowell

In comic book form, believe it or not, a long time ago.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Adventures_of_Hitler

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. Kick but no nom

but there are many beatles fans on du like me.

[struggle4progress]

24. according to wikipedia, dowling made these claims in a 1939 book manuscript

she was unable to sell to anybody at the time and almost everyone ever since has regarded the claims as fabricated

A. Shickelgruber seems, in fact, to been verifiably living in a homeless shelter in Vienna at the time he was supposedly visiting England:

... There is actually an eye witness to Adolf Hitler's presence in the men's home in Vienna in February 1913 at a time when he is supposed to be in Liverpool. Beyond that, the records kept by the men's home were very careful records and they recorded when people were residents and when they left. Adolf Hitler did actually leave the men's home just for a few days and they recorded his departure and his return in May 1913, when he left to go to Munich. They again registered his departure. Since the records are so carefully kept, they would unquestionably have recorded a departure of his in 1912 had he been going to Liverpool ...
http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/hitlerinliverpool/hitlerinliverpool.htm

[loudsue]

25. Ok. Now I REALLY want to know what they changed their name to when they moved to the USA

:argh: I hate being kept in the dark.