Is Nancy Pelosi a weak Speaker of the House with a secret Conservative agenda?

[SkyDaddy7]

Poll question: Is Nancy Pelosi a weak Speaker of the House with a secret Conservative agenda?

Just wanted to see how many here on DU are willing to assign the same faults and/or secret agenda to Nancy Pelosi that Obama has been labeled as concerning the Tax Cut Compromise...Nancy Pelosi could have prevented this compromise from being voted on and she did not. Is she any different from Obama? If not, then where are all the hyperbolic attacks directed at Nancy Pelosi on the Greatest Threads this AM? Are there any threads attacking Nancy Pelosi personally at all on DU like there were of Obama considering Nancy Pelosi could have on her own stop this compromise & she chose not to! If so, why are they not on the Greatest Threads?

I sense deep hypocrisy here on DU & was wondering why that is?


My guess is this poll will basically be ignored...I could be wrong we will see.

[leveymg]

1. I sense deep hostility here to both the Democratic wing of the Party and DU.

Otherwise, I guess this poll will basically be ignored.

[nenagh]

2. Last night I listened on CSPAN to Dem members of the House..

speaking on the floor of the House and furious about the situation. Not wanting to be forced to a vote, and able to express their anger.

But Pres Obama/VP Biden twisted arms strongly indicating that the vote was necessary to the success of the Obama Presidency.

That is why I do not fault Nancy Pelosi.. She essentially had to choose to stand with her President or go against what he clearly wanted.

I would think that she assessed that she could stop the vote, but by doing so would severely weaken the Obama presidency.

Just my 2 cents.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. And a good 2 cents, at that.

[mmonk]

7. Partly right.

Passing this will hurt the administration. The rest is right.

[Marr]

10. Blocking it would hurt the adnimstration's popularity

...on Wall Street and exclusive country clubs. That's all they care about.

[mmonk]

13. And little do they know Wall Street and exclusive country clubs are fickle

at best. Just look at the money the last election cycle.

[SkyDaddy7]

19. So, you are saying Pelosi was protecting...

Obama's popularity with Wall Street?

Why did Pelosi allow this tax cut compromise to be voted on?

Was it...She disagreed with it but she is weak & would not stand up to Obama?

Or...She agreed with Obama that this was better than allowing all tax rates to go back to clinton era levels & no unemployment extensions?

If you have another option I would love to hear it...

[mmonk]

24. The party apparatus.

If you go against a major piece of legislation it wants passed other than a vote that does not change its course, the party can withdraw support from you and more often than not does.

[SkyDaddy7]

29. That does not apply to Nancy Pelosi.

She is the most powerful Democrat in the party under Obama...She is 3rd in line for the POTUS behind Biden! If Pelosi thought they could pass a bill that terminated tax cuts for the wealthy she would have let this compromise die, period. She is not scared to stand up to Obama if needed but this was not one of those times regardless of what many here on DU WANT TO THINK.

[LawnLover]

25. And by the same reasoning

Obama could shut out the Republicans, but would risk not only his presidency, but also unemployment benefits and a host of other legislation that he's hoping to keep the Republicans from blocking.

Ultimately, whether we like it or not, governance is about compromise. And you go for the best deal you can get, based on who and what is in play.

There are too many here who ignore or simply refuse to accept this simple, basic fact.

Now, the democratic base's failure to vote in the mid-terms makes compromise even more inevitable from here on out.

[northoftheborder]

4. I rarely UNRECOMMEND..... But....

This poll is biased and surely was written by a REpub. Nancy Pelosi is one of the most outstanding Speakers we have had. She has had terrible opponents in the recalcitrant and regressive and ignorant opposing party. It is amazing when you list all the very positive and and progressive bills she has corralled through only to be met by the rock wall of the dysfunctional senate. She is a true liberal in every sense of the word, and has a heart. (And I don't think I've ever seen her cry, although she has had multiple occasions to have the reason to do so.)

In addition, this past two years she has had to work around the fact that the President has not had her back, has not offered or fought for a progressive policy, and she has had to try to work with her own liberal caucus together with the White House's Emanuel' destructive antics and attitudes. A truly difficult hand.

[bananas]

5. Bazinga!

Obama is center-right, we knew that before the election (well, those of us in the reality-based community knew this).

edit to add:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

[laundry_queen]

6. +1 nt

[SkyDaddy7]

17. I too like Pelosi but she did not block this bill, why?

Are you saying she is weak & cannot stand up to Obama? If so, I disagree! Pelosi saw what Obama saw & it was this was better than doing nothing. It was this or nothing...Anything else would not have passed.

[Dappleganger]

20. In agreement with you.

[MineralMan]

8. So now we're throwing Nancy Pelosi under the bus, too?

Unrecommended for being nonsense.

[bananas]

16. Right-wingers would love to throw her under the bus

unfortunately, there are right-wingers in the Democratic-In-Name-Only Party.

[SkyDaddy7]

18. NO! This is not an attempt to throw her under the bus...

This was simply to show the utter hypocrisy on display here at DU when it comes to this tax cut issue...If Pelosi thought there was a better option that could pass both houses she would have went that route! Obviously she saw what Obama saw & settled for this...Otherwise she would have blocked it!

The only other option is Pelosi is weak & refused to stand up against Obama...And I DO NOT BUY THAT FOR A SECOND! Pelosi could have blocked this from being voted on and all tax rates would have went back to the Clinton era levels & there would have been no Unemployment Extension.

Please let me know what other force could be at play here other than Pelosi & Obama agreed this was all they could get.

[Scurrilous]

9. Garbage. n/t

[JNelson6563]

11. Oh, all Dems suck, make no mistake.

You just aren't reading enough DU. I suspect soon they will have to change the name of the place in order so as to better represent the content here. Maybe Anti-Dem Underground.

Julie--who rarely posts here anymore as it seems Dems are not welcome

[madokie]

12. Personally I thought she was pretty good

but I guess you don't huh

[rucky]

14. Pelosi can sleep well at night.

Knowing she tried everything to pass our agenda without poison pills. The compromise became inevitable after the WH went over her head.

[SkyDaddy7]

21. So you are flat out saying...

Pelosi is too weak to stand up to Obama? Which I DO NOT buy for a second!!!

Pelosi is extremely powerful & if she wanted she could have ended this, period!

I know you & others do not want to even consider the idea that both Obama & Pelosi decided this was better than allowing all tax rates to rise back to 90's level & no Unemployment insurance.


There is a reason why Pelosi allowed this to pass & it was not Obama went over her head! LOL! There is nobody above her head but Obama...So, you are saying she was too weak to stand up to Obama & I disagree!! Pelosi did what she wanted as she always does! If she wanted to blocked this compromise she would have stood up to Obama & blocked it...Obviously she chose not to.

[rucky]

28. Play it out. What's the upside for Pelosi shooting this down?

Assuming she ever had the votes to do so. Show me a scenario that doesn't strengthen the Republican hand and I'll admit to being the fool you accuse me of.

[SkyDaddy7]

30. I am not calling you a fool...

What I am saying is everyone going ape shit over this is already claiming this strengthens the Republican hand! So, which is it, allowing them to expire on everyone like many here say to do ON PRINCIPAL and allow the Republicans to blame tax hikes on the Democrats or compromise like Obama AND Pelosi decided to do? There are only two options because the REPUBLICANS, NOT OBAMA OR PELOSI, are the ones screwing us over! And here we are eating our own!

Nancy Pelosi did what she did for the same reason Obama did and that is the point I am trying to make...Because there is no other reason why she would have allowed this to pass. Not a single person on this site has given me a reason other than Nancy Pelosi was forced too but won't go any further. Most folks refuse to respond! Attacking Obama has gotten to the point of mob mentality where folks do it just to do it...Otherwise the Greatest thread page would be full of hate threads aimed at Pelosi for allowing this to pass. She held the ultimate power in her hands just like Obama to stop this and she decided not to.

I love Nancy Pelosi & I love Obama and no neither is perfect & neither is this compromise but both their main focus os to protect the middle class NOW while they can. They both decided this was in their minds the best option given the fact that the Republicans in the Senate are abusing the process like they have been for the past two years! THEY REFUSED TO HELP THE 9/11 RESPONDERS!!!!!!!!!!!

I am beside myself at how so many here seem to enjoy attacking Obama over this yet turn a blind eye to the fact that Nancy Pelosi agreed & did the exact same thing. At some point we need to stick together or the GOP will run right over us. it is the REPUBLICANS we should focus our anger toward not each other.

Oh well.

[Champion Jack]

15. You forgot an option: "is this the Stupidest Poll Ever?"

[sallyseven]

22. Poll is bogus

Repuks hate her more than Obama. She is more effective than Obama when it comes to dealing with the snotty repuks. Weeper of the house and Cantor will be such a laugh.

[SkyDaddy7]

31. The poll is meant to be as bogus as the mindless attacks...

on Obama are...Nancy Pelosi could ended this compromise on her own and she chose not to for the same reason Obama did. So, if Obama deserves to be raked over the coals then the same applies to Pelosi.

Or what you are saying is Nancy Pelosi was forced to go along because she is weak & will not stand up to Obama's right wing agenda? Or if Obama is weak & gave into the Republicans then why did Nancy follow suit?

THINK!

I love both Obama & Pelosi & they did what they thought was correct, period. We either stand behind bot or we rake both over the coals there is no picking & choosing if we are being honest with ourselves.

[Still a Democrat]

23. Too bad you didn't make it a serious poll

with well thought out responses. Would have been interesting.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Nancy has been an excellent speaker, and deserves our thanks. nt

[SkyDaddy7]

32. So, you feel the same about Obama?

It is clear that both Obama & Pelosi agreed on this compromise. Unless you want to say Pelosi is weak & did not want to stand up to Obama? Which I DO NOT BUY AT ALL!

I love both of them & I think they either both deserve criticism or they both deserve our backing because it is the REPUBLICANS, not Obama or Pelosi, who are the true heartless greedy bastards who at fault!

They refused to help the 9/11 responders!!!!!!!!!!

We need to stop this infighting!

[Starry Messenger]

27. LOL! If she had prevented this, you guys would be *calling* her a repuke

because she would have failed to do Obama's bidding. :rofl:

[Rex]

33. I'm sorry , but Nancy Pelosi is off the table.

[librechik]

34. Worst. Poll. Ever. n/t

[mfcorey1]

35. My answer to your question is no. Poll does not offer it as an alternative. nt

[myrna minx]

36. purple monkey dishwasher.

[Rex]

38. I have three of those

in my tree house.

[MrCoffee]

37. Weak Speaker, not a secret Conservative

She was solid as a Rep, but she's never been a good Speaker.