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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:04 PM
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Omnibus spending bill and worst cases
Well one thing one has to do when writing fiction is to figure cause - effect. In life that usually does not happen, but in this case it does.

Reid pulled out the Omnibus Spending Bill. Now we all have heard the screeches about how unfair, and all that... but what happens if we do not have a continuing resolution before this session is over? The government has no money. That is what happens.

So this is NOT politics as usual, and usually these budgets are passed as a matter of course, not refused. This is nota minor thing.

We need to ask what could be the worst case? The worst case is not something that I want to necessarily contemplate, but one that I need to.

We have also seen a rising amounts of articles on the end of Empire and how it is coming. This is part of the pattern. When politics become shrill and all that.

I also realize that we have people in full and complete denial, but here is the worst case in detail.

If there is no continuing resolution... there is no money, and no SS checks will go out on the First, Active duty and vets will not be paid... hospitals will not be paid for medicare... I could go on.

Realize the USSR did not pay it's military for two months and they were on short rations by the time THAT collapse came.

We are also at the point where worst cases that some of us can foresee are turning as actually better cases than reality.

As they said, chinese curses.

Now I will remained you 2010 starting with Professor Fergurson Article on Complexity and Collapse

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65987/niall-ferguson/complexity-and-collapse

Foreign Affairs is as far right as you can be in polite company, and they are the boosters of Empire. At this point Imperial Collapse is becoming part of the Zeitgeist, and Fergurson will be really optimistic. It is coming, and this latest mess with the Omnibus Bill is yet another marker. Politics have entered the dysfunctional phase.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:29 PM
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1. Kick because this is important
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 08:31 PM
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2. K & R n/t
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:10 PM
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3. And we got an extension for THREE DAYS!!!!
Right now on the Rachel Madow show... this is ... INSANITY.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:18 PM
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4. Utter BS.
The govt "shutdown" in 1995/1996.

The world didn't end.

SS checks still went out, new enrollments were delayed roughly 20 days.

As far as no money that is completely false. The Treasury has been pre-approved to borrow up to $14.5 trillion we have borrowed $13.85 trillion leaving a significant "slush".

Most govt agencies tend to hold a reserve of operating cash.

There will be some difficulties as non essential personnel are sent home but nothing as dire as these doom and gloom scenarios you masturbate to hourly (what is this your third or fourth OP on the topic). Hell in the 1995/1996 shutdowns all federal employees were paid 100% of the unworked days after the shutdown.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:19 PM
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5. I take it you were NOT in the Armed Forces
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 09:24 PM by nadinbrzezinski
or for that matter on Social Security RIGHT? RIGHT.

Oh and by the way, you can use the hide thread, I will use the ignore button on you, Masturbate... that term tells me more about YOU than I wanted to know.

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:23 PM
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6. Nobody in the armed forces or on social security will lose a single cent. They didn't in 1995/1996.
Edited on Fri Dec-17-10 09:24 PM by Statistical
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:25 PM
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7. As I said you were NOT in the armed forces
so you do not realize how LEGAL had to scramble to help personnel avoid things like foreclosure.

and good bye, (It is not whether they were paid later, just that as long as it lasted they did NOT get paid)
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-17-10 09:29 PM
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8. They did get paid.
I was in the military. Finally got out in 2009 after too many deployments. I now work for a military contractor and I still have absolutely no fear.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM and GLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

How exactly does one get foreclosed in the 20 days the government was shutdown? In which state can you go from fully paid mortgage to foreclosed in 19 days?
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