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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:55 PM
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President Obama should not risk a new Korean war and call upon South Korea to cancel their war games

It's a provocation against the North Korean Stalinist regime. That's exactly how the unstable and paranoid North Korean regime will view it .... as a dare. Do we really think poking a stick in the eyeball of the North Korean regime is a rational and effective policy? Just try poking a person in the chest a few times with your finger as you yell at them and see what happens.

The Stalinist regime isn't bluffing and I believe they will respond with a massive attack on South Korea if the war drills proceed. They promise that. They certainly proved that they are willing to respond with military force with their attack on Yeonpyeong Island. And yet, the conservative political leaders in South Korea seem determined to "call their bluff"! At what price? To Koreans, north and south? And to Americans?

If the right-wing South Korean regime isn't worried about a resumption of a far deadlier Korean War and its likely nuclear escalation they will proceed with their war games, especially if the Obama administration encourages them to proceed with a game of "nuclear chicken".

President Obama can follow the advice of other world leaders and stop this descent into insanity or he can ignore them at his own peril and the peril of our nation.

Of course, a North Korean military response to a South Korean military shelling of disputed territory will all but guarantee the resumption of a full scale Korean war.

And that would necessitate a massive military mobilization with a resumption of the draft in the United States to fight not only world-wide terrorism but now the "communist menace" from North Korea and perhaps even China!

Being on a "war footing" would pretty much give the U.S. government and other western governments all the more excuse to crack down on progressive individuals and organizations around the world. And a Korean war would result in new calls for even greater economic sacrifices from working people and the elderly (higher taxes and massive cuts in benefits) in order to finance hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars in new U.S. war funding that would be required in a new Korean war.

And we'd see a giant bi-partisan lurch to the right to "defend the homeland" by both major political parties.

The Democrats and President Obama certainly wouldn't want to be pictured by Republicans as being "soft on communist aggression" or "subversives" at home who oppose U.S. military interventions around the world.

So before any progressives get too anxious, excited or even pleased about the prospect of a renewal of the Korean war because they don't like the North Korean dictatorship and who seem to get almost giddy with South Korean tweaks of the "great leader" in the north, they need to look at the big picture and what such a war will mean at home .... and for all Koreans and much of the world.

This is serious shit, not a war "game".

BBI


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Korean peninsula conflict threatens to erupt in coming days
By Ryan Witt
December 18, 2010


A standoff between North and South Korea threatens to erupt into a heated conflict if both sides follow through with their threats. At issue is planned live-fire drills planned on the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong. The last time South Korea conducted artillery drills on the island the North responded by bombarding the island with their own artillery and rockets. The attack resulted in the death of two South Korean marines and two civilians. Sometime in the coming days South Korea has said it plans to conduct more drills from the island, firing artillery shells into the Yellow Sea. North Korea has responded by saying they will once again attack the island if South Korea follows through with the drill.

The last time the North shelled Yeonpyeong the South Koreans fired back and readied their air force to respond. Many believe the conflict was then on the edge of erupting into a full-scale war until both sides backed down. Following the attack the South vowed to respond to any future attacks with enormous retaliation. The United States pledged to support the South Koreans and later sent the USS George Washington aircraft carrier to conduct military joint military exercises with the South. The North also made threats over these exercises, saying that the United States was bringing the region to the “brink of war.” The USS George Washington is now conducting military exercises off the coast of Japan.

American officials within North Korea have also warned about the tense situation. Former Governor Bill Richardson is meeting with North Korean officials in an attempt to defuse the situation which he called a “tinderbox.” China and Russia have also issues warnings about how the conflict may escalate in coming days. Many countries are putting pressure on the South Koreans to cancel the drills, but the South maintains it has a right to conduct its own military drills and they have the backing of the United States. The Obama administration has reportedly set up a hotline with South Korea to be able to communicate with the government in Seoul if the situation grows more heated.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/korean-peninsula-conflict-threatens-to-erupt-coming-days


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Costs of war on the Korean Peninsula would be extremely high
By Ryan Witt
November 23, 2010


Iraq, as we now all know, had no weapons of mass destruction. North Korea, on the other hand, is believed to have massive quantities (at least 2,500 metric tons) of chemical weapons such as phosgene, hydrogen cyanide, mustard, and sarin gas. They also have the means to deliver these chemicals via artillery shells and rockets along the border with South Korea. Unless the South Korean air force was able to destroy all of these well-defended delivery systems simultaneously the major population of centers of South Korea would almost surely be hit with an artillery and rocket bombardment that would inflict massive casualties. Some of the rockets possessed by the North Koreans are also capable of reaching Japan or the U.S. military base in Guam. Finally, the North Koreans also likely have a nuclear weapons, though it is unclear if they have developed the means to use it. Needless to say the use nuclear weapons could take the conflict to whole other level.

North Korea also posseses a million-man army which can be stationed along defenses throughout their country. The North Koreans have significant numbers of surface-to-air missiles and have deposited about one million land mines along the border as an obstacle to invasion.

As a result of all these defenses and offensive capabilities of the North Koreans, a full-scale war would likely mean the kind of destruction not seen in over fifty years. The South Koreans and United States could of course respond with their own capabilities, include tactical nuclear weapons, but that would only increase the damage to the peninsula and potentially widen the conflict. The war games played out by the Pentagon estimate over 100,000 casualties in South Korea alone in the first few days. The first 90 days of a full-scale war would produce 300,000 to 500,000 South Korean and United States military casualties. Hundreds of thousands more civilians would die. At the end of the war games the United States of course emerges victorious. After the first wave of North Korean attacks the United States and South Korea would prevail with superior technology, but not before leaving much of the Korean peninsula in ruins.

In the meantime, the world economy may very well collapse as a result of the conflict. South Korea is a major U.S. trading partner, buying over $2 billion American exports each year. The South Korean economy is the 15th largest in the world. In comparison Greece, whose economic collapse caused serious troubles across the world, has a GDP which is half as large as South Korea's.

Read the full article at:

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/why-a-war-on-the-korean-peninsula-simply-doesn-t-make-sense-video?cid=parsely#parsely


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Russia warns S. Korea, U.S. over live-firing drill
December 17, 2010
(Reuters)


Russia's foreign ministry summoned the South Korean and U.S. ambassadors to express "extreme concern" on Friday over a planned live-firing drill near a disputed maritime border with North Korea.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexei Borodavkin met with the envoys and "insistently urged the Republic of Korea and the United States to refrain from conducting the planned firing," the ministry said in a statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6BG1IP20101217


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Russian forces on alert over Korea tension-report
December 14, 2010
Reuters


Russia has put its forces on alert in the country's far east because of increased tension on the Korean Peninsula, the Interfax news agency quoted the top military commander as saying Tuesday.

"Without a doubt, we have taken measures to increase the combat-readiness of our forces," military General Staff chief Nikolai Makarov said, Interfax reported. He said the military was "continuing to monitor" the situation.

Makarov spoke a day after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told his visiting North Korean counterpart that Moscow was "seriously concerned about the growth of military and political tension on the peninsula," according to the ministry.

Monday, Lavrov told North Korean Foreign Minister Pak Ui-chun that Pyongyang's deadly shelling of a South Korean island last month deserved condemnation but also suggested joint South Korean-U.S. military exercises had added to tension.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BD1PZ20101214?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c0.176471:b40347584:z0


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Blitzer Dispatch: Richardson says it's a 'tinderbox'
By: CNN’s “The Situation Room” Anchor Wolf Blitzer


Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN) - It's Saturday morning in Pyongyang and we're getting ready for another intense day. The situation here is very fluid right now and a lot of nerves are being frayed because of the tensions between North and South Korea. New Mexico governor Bill Richardson is getting ready for important talks in the next few hours with Kim Gye Gwan, North Korea's chief nuclear negotiator, the man who invited him to Pyongyang.

Richardson is urging restraint everywhere he goes. He's really worried that this situation is, in his words, a "tinderbox" where one miscalculation could lead to all-out war. He says he's never seen the situation so tense in all his visits to North Korea over the years; he agrees it's the most serious crisis since the 1953 Armistice which ended the Korean War.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/17/blitzer-dispatch-richardson-says-its-a-tinderbox/


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Russia seeks Security Council meet on Korea—diplomats
Agence France-Presse
December 19, 2010


UNITED NATIONS—Russia on Saturday called for an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council over rising tensions on the Korean peninsula, diplomatic sources said.

American sources said a decision had yet to be made on the meeting, but if it does take place it would likely be at 3:00 pm (2000 GMT) Saturday.

North Korea had hours earlier predicted "disaster" if South Korea goes ahead with a planned live-fire artillery exercise on the Yeonpyeong border island bombarded by the isolated communist state last month.

The upcoming exercise "would make it impossible to prevent the situation on the Korean peninsula from exploding and escape its ensuing disaster," Pyongyang said in a statement.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20101219-309795/Russia-seeks-Security-Council-meet-on-Koreadiplomats



















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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:57 PM
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1. So let's have a civil discussion and debate on this matter without any name calling or hysteria.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:18 PM
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10. Have the hand wringers ventured any opinions as to why the NKs are being so hard over this time
What they are objecting to have been a regular occurrence for years
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:43 PM
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16. "hand wringers" is in general a term used by the right to attack progressives.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:47 PM
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17. Sort of depends what your experience is...I know a number of marxists who use it regularly
We use it a lot to describe university admin types who fret about many things except quality education.

Its clearly not a compliment.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:22 PM
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12. Pretty much entirely up to North Korea whether that ever happens or not. (nt)
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 03:58 PM
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2. No. Tiny, pathetic little dictators of backward shitholes
do not get to dictate that which their democratic neighbors are or are not allowed to do.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:05 PM
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3. Like Karzai in Afghanistan? That war doesn't seem to be going very well.

But, what about the issues and points raised in the post?

Any opinions on them?

I'm listening.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:09 PM
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7. Which neighboring democracy is Karzai threatening to attack?
He can't govern more than ten feet in any given direction anyway.

My opinion? SK has the right to conduct the same military exercises it conducts every year. NK can kiss off -- spoiled children do not call the shots for others. NK should focus on feeding its starving millions.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:18 PM
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9. The war in Afghanistan has been turned.
More troops are dying because more boots are on the ground and troops are going into villages that were turned over to the taliban by Bush. Major drug trade cities have been taken away and drug trade routes disrupted. More progress has been made by President Obama in 19 months than was made by President Bush in seven years.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:06 PM
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22. According to whom?
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:10 PM by Better Believe It

"When President Obama spoke on Thursday about Afghanistan, it was like being in a Vietnam time warp"

Johnson, November 17, 1967: “We are making progress. We are pleased with the results we are getting.”

Obama, December 16, 2010: “We are making considerable gains toward our military objectives.”

Even when Obama was discussing the “core goal” of those military objectives, he was muddled. He defined that goal not as defeating “every last threat to the security of Afghanistan” but as “disrupting, dismantling and defeating Al Qaeda.”

But Al Qaeda barely exists in Afghanistan, and he doesn’t need 100,000 U.S. troops there to go after a handful of terrorists.

http://www.progressive.org/wx121710.html
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:06 PM
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4. BBI, I agree with you concerning:
"So before any progressives get too anxious, excited or even pleased about the prospect of a renewal of the Korean war because they don't like the North Korean dictatorship and who seem to get almost giddy with South Korean tweaks of the "great leader" in the north, they need to look at the big picture and what such a war will mean at home .... and for all Koreans and much of the world."

This war would be a disaster for all - for the world, really. This insane creep and his regime could destroy so many but how do you "reason" or bring them to the table to reason with him/them? Would he/they even consider a diplomatic meeting?

I don't have any answers but it is deeply concerning and frightening.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:06 PM
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5. One side thing, China has been desperately calling for negotiations between the...
..parties involved and the U.S. has been blowing them off. The Chinese recently called again for talks. See US brushes aside China's call for N Korea talks from about 2 weeks ago.

PB
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:09 PM
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6. We have no right and no authority to tell South Korea anything.
We are not the rulers of the universe. But what we CAN do is to tell them that if they provoke the North into a war, they'll be fighting it on their own because we can't afford another war right now.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:48 PM
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18. Well, if that's the case why not withdraw the U.S. pledge of military support to South Korea?

And why provide them with U.S. troops to assist in their game of "chicken" with North Korea?
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:21 PM
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24. That's what I just said (?)
I think you missed the last part of my post in which I said that, while we can't just order them to stop, we CAN tell them that we won't have their back if they pick a fight they don't have the muscle to finish.

:shrug:
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Petrus Romanus Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:38 PM
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27. It's laughable to claim that South Korea is "picking a fight" here.
They hold exercises every year. This is the first time the North has threatened war over them.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:54 PM
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28. I am commenting on what the US response should be.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 09:55 PM by Lyric
I am not claiming omniscient knowledge of what the situation actually IS, although you appear to be. My comments were about diplomatic strategy--not objective analysis. I can't accurately analyze the situation because I have no idea what the exact circumstances (and particular differences from other times) might be. I don't know WHY that short, ugly man in the North is suddenly getting even MORE paranoid than before, but I hardly see why it matters. Justified or not, the fact is that he IS. Therefore, continuing maneuvers is deliberately tweaking his nose and daring him to do something about it.

Maybe that's okay when the US military is healthy and burly and standing right at your back, but in case you hadn't noticed, we really can't afford to stretch our necks out any further right now--not politically, not economically, not at all. So unless Seoul has some other 800-lb gorilla of an ally behind it, they need to proceed with caution--and that's exactly what we need to tell them. Wise people do not step on the toes of psychotic killers who are in the midst of an apparent breakdown--not even if they've never minded it before.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:13 PM
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8. I am no sable rattler. But canceling US participation would be the worse
decision that President Obama could make. He would loose every country in that region of the world. Even China and Russia would look at us sideways wondering whether we would cover their backs if they deserved back cover.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:53 PM
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19. China and Russia need us to cover their backs from what? A North Korean invasion?

I think they can handle that without asking for "help" from the United States in the form of a massive invasion of Korea.

And how are you going to pay for that invasion?



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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:19 PM
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11. Whatever belligerent dictators want, we should give them. That will make them be nice. n/t
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 05:03 PM
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21. If the dictators support U.S. foreign policy that's exactly what has happened hundreds of times.
Edited on Sat Dec-18-10 05:04 PM by Better Believe It

They are coddled.

They get help from the U.S. military and billions in "foreign" aid and other assistance.

And frequently these dictators have been put into power directly via U.S. military intervention and assistance!

Surely you must be aware of that history.

But, perhaps not.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:23 PM
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13. Canceling would just encourage Li'l Kim to pull more BS.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:26 PM
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14. I think North Korea is close to collapsing. This is indeed a dangerous time.
I don't think the North Korean generals are thrilled with another not-too-bright descendent of Kim Il-Sung taking over for more of the same. Kim Il-Sung was an incredible shithead (recently finished "The Coldest Winter" by David Halberstam about the Korean War; what a read). I can't see his dunderhead grandson taking over successfully.

I don't know what the solution is, but I do know the Chinese need to be engaged - indeed, at the center of any solution.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:26 PM
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15. The military exercises are necessary. Kim's provocations are not.
If you have a military, you have to keep them trained and disciplined. If there are two militaries sharing a mission, you have to keep them well coordinated. These exercises are not saber rattling; they've been going on for decades. Knuckling under to the petulant dictator's temper tantrum will only encourage more provocations from him. The calls for a UN effort to pacify the situation is welcome; but in the mean time we can't, as the world's leading democracy, let an impulsive tyrant control our course of actions.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 04:57 PM
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20. The U.S. is "the world's leading democracy"???!!! That sounds like old cold war rhetoric used to

justify military interventions from Latin America to Asia.

And how exactly is the United States more democratic than France, Great Britain, Norway, Canada, etc.,?

The United States may still be # 1 in some categories but I'm not so sure democratic rights and civil liberties is one of them.
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Petrus Romanus Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:35 PM
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26. In political, cultural, and economic terms, the United States is the leader of the globalized world.
Unlike Norway and Canada, and to a greater extent than France and Great Britain, our government is willing to use both economic and military means to spread and maintain open markets across the globe. Whether that is a good thing can be debated.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:13 AM
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29. In economic terms Wall Street almost brought the entire capitalist world down in a global depression

I guess one could call that economic leadership.

Now it is true that the United States is the worlds leading imperial power.

Not so sure that is something we ought to be proud of.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 06:40 PM
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23. The north seems to like keeping tensions high and then negotiating concessions.
Despite the super heated rhetoric I think they know they can't fight and win a full scale war with the south. Support from the Chinese is by no means guaranteed and they are probably exaggerating their nuclear capability.

The North Korean nuclear tests went poorly and FAS seems to think it's doubtful they could have created a full yield, weaponized device by now.

BTW you might check out the Google plugin "North Korea Uncovered".

http://www.nkeconwatch.com/north-korea-uncovered-google-earth/

It identifies and interprets just about every important feature in the north and does a great job showing their military infrastructure. Warning: you could kill a whole day easily.
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Petrus Romanus Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 09:28 PM
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25. North Korea is holding Seoul hostage. I don't blame the South for flexing a little muscle.
With hypermilitarist, paranoid regimes like Kim's, weakness in the face of provocation invites escalation. Only a balance of power is stable.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:17 AM
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30. So you think South Korea with U.S. backing ought to flex its military muscle against the north.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 12:19 AM by Better Believe It
Perhaps just a few bombing raids on the north would scare the Stalinist regime.

Of course.

Why didn't I think of that?

Call them peace bombs.

And if that doesn't work do you think the U.S. should nuke them .... after North Korea has nuked the south.

Now there is a prescription for yet another victorious war against terrorism and subversive comminists!

How do you think that will work out?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 01:49 AM
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31. They just killed four ROK citizens, and you're advocating...
the Neville Chamberlain approach?

Yeah, that worked out.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:55 AM
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32. I really hope you won't be singing "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" this Christmas.
Edited on Sun Dec-19-10 10:57 AM by Better Believe It

So will you be volunteering to join the great war against Bush's "evil North Korean empire"?

It seems to me that you're not taking this business of war or peace in Korea very seriously.

Do you not care about the hundreds of thousands of American and Korean lives that will be lost, not to speak of the full-scale economic depression and other costs?

I assume you also supported Bush's invasion of Iraq and the war against Afghanistan.

Am I right?

Now you're comparing the Stalinist regime to appeasing Adolph Hitler!!!!

Where we have heard that sort of empty political rhetoric before?

Oh, from the Bush administration!

The Bush government smeared anti-war opponents who opposed the invasion of Iraq as appeasers of Sadam!

Can't you do better than mimic the Bush governments pro-war propaganda?

There is no need for you to pacify Republicans and conservative by proving that as a "100% loyal American liberal" you can be just as militaristic as them.

We saw that kind of performance by what were called "cold war liberals" who supported the Vietnam war under LBJ.

It looks like you're aiming to become a "hot war liberal" in support of an imperial empire to destroy the evil Korean empire that is bent on taking over the world!

Good luck with that.



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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 12:31 PM
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33. BetterBelieveIt, "So let's have a civil discussion and debate on this matter...
without any name calling or hysteria."

BetterBelieveIt, "...you're aiming to become a "hot war liberal"..."

:eyes:
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