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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:43 PM
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Maybe the White House is actually doing OK behind the scenes re: Egypt
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-05/egypt-revolt-the-white-houses-secret-plan-for-succession/

For the past week, a series of realities unstated by the White House or the State Department has driven American diplomacy in regards to the momentous events in Egypt, according to high-level sources familiar with the process.
First and foremost, The United States—in concert increasingly with other governments—is seeking an immediate transition to democratic pluralism and procedures that, simultaneously, will prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from overwhelming or co-opting the process to become the dominant political force in Egypt’s post-Mubarak future.

To accomplish this, President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, while sympathetic to the desire of Egyptian democratic forces that want Mubarak step down immediately, in fact have been working toward a solution that would permit him to stay for a brief period as a powerless, defacto head of state. He would remain as such until new mechanisms, and perhaps a new Egyptian constitution, are in place for a stable transition that would also prevent authoritarian and corrupt Mubarak apparatchiks from controlling the process of succession.

This is particularly true in terms of the speaker of the Egyptian parliament, Fathi Surur, who has been speaker of the People's Assembly since 1990, described by someone familiar with his record as “a corrupt, venal man,” who under the existing constitution would become president of the country if Mubarak should abruptly resign or be removed from office.

Thus, Obama and Clinton, with help from other world leaders, including figures in the Arab world, have been trying to achieve a consensus among prominent Egyptian politicians, academics, bankers, cultural leaders, and representatives of the fledging democracy movement personified by young people in Tahrir Square, that Mubarak should be effectively stripped of his power and convinced to cede his presidential powers while briefly retaining the title of president. Ideally under ths scenario, Mubarak would leave the presidential palace in the next few days, but retain the presidency as a means of keeping it from passing—under the existing constitution—to the Parliamentary speaker, Surur. State Department officials and anti-Mubarak forces in Egypt consider Surur inimical to the interests of both the United States and advocates of democracy in Egypt, as well as other Arab leaders who fear that further chaos there could feed radical Islamic influence in their own countries.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:45 PM
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1. Interesting. I've had some of these thoughts, and its interesting to see them in print.
Thanks for posting this.... hope it opens some clear dialogue, but..... knowing DU.... sigh...

:hi:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:47 PM
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2. How is this OK? I think they're doing everything they can to put in place the smoke and
mirrors to give the facade of change but keep a vise-like grip on the status quo.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:26 PM
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6. Agreed. The WH is not an innocent, idealistic player here.
There is too much self-interest for business and keeping Israel happy here.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:36 PM
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7. How is it not okay? If the President simply resigns, the office
would then go to someone just as bad as he is -- and he'd have the existing constitution backing him up.

It makes much more sense to keep him temporarily in place while a new legislature and new Constitution is formed.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 03:58 PM
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3. stripped of his power and convinced to cede his presidential powers
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 03:59 PM by dipsydoodle
He could do that by agreeing to give all power by delegation to his VP under Article 139 of their constitution.

Big deal - his VP is the USA's torturer and that could make anti-US feelings in Egypt a self fulfilled prophesy.

btw - US special envoy Frank Wisner is CIA.

Mr. Wisner is the son of Frank G. Wisner Sr., co-founder of the CIA and Gladio. Together with Allen Dulles, Wisner Sr. was one of the architects of the U.S. secret intervention doctrine: support those democracies which make a "good choice", oppose those which make the wrong choice.

As for Frank G. Wisner Jr., he has always worked for the Agency and continues to do so, serving in particular as one of the Directors of Refugees International.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168337.html
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:06 PM
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4. The power is changing faces, not hands.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:37 PM
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8. That is what would happen if Mubarak simply resigned.
The Constitution as currently written would keep another dictator in power.

And that is what the Obama administration is trying to prevent.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:11 PM
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5. So the Speaker is a nasty corrupt scumbag
and the newly appointed VP is Mr Rendition. These are all Western puppets. I feel sorry for the poor Egyptian people. Why can't they tear down the regime and replace it with people of their choice?

Why should a civilization that old take orders from Western powers who are just as corrupt.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:38 PM
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9. Interesting how Bernstein's article goes out of its way to vilify
Edited on Sat Feb-05-11 04:38 PM by chimpymustgo
Surur...

-edit-

...the speaker of the Egyptian parliament, Fathi Surur, who has been speaker of the People's Assembly since 1990, described by someone familiar with his record as “a corrupt, venal man,”..."

-edit-

*****

...with no mention of Suleiman's history of TORTURE. Agenda at work!!!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:38 PM
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10. They need a new Constitution that will support a democracy,
not another dictator like Mubarak.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 04:45 PM
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11. To the tune of "Let's misbehave", let's deconstruct.
For the past week, a series of realities unstated by the White House or the State Department has driven American diplomacy in regards to the momentous events in Egypt, according to high-level sources familiar with the process:

Unlike you people, we have to deal with the reality of the news cycle, it says so right on the White House Press Office fax.



First and foremost, The United States—in concert increasingly with other governments—is seeking an immediate transition to democratic pluralism and procedures that, simultaneously, will prevent the Muslim Brotherhood from overwhelming or co-opting the process to become the dominant political force in Egypt’s post-Mubarak future:


We're consulting with other leaders interested in business as usual in Cairo to put a new face on this regime because this is getting old and intend to wave the Muslim Brotherhood at you schmucks if we have to because it seems to be working.
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Kalun D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 05:10 PM
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12. BULLCRAP
the White House is backing Sulieman for the interim. Giving them time enough to game the system.

They are calling him the "vice president".

Yeah, he was appointed by Mubarak and he's the head of the secret police torture division.

Way to go Obama, back the dictator's appointee.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-11 06:32 PM
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13. This is horseshit.
Mubarak's third force terror tactic:

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion//2011/02/201123164851963387.html

Egypt Chaos Defines Bleeding in Despot Arab World: Tariq Ali

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-04/egypt-chaos-defines-bleeding-in-despot-arab-world-commentary-by-tariq-ali.html

Why the US fears Arab democracy

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MB05Ak01.html:

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The two top mass organizations in Egypt are the Brotherhood and the Christian Coptic church - both persecuted by the Mubarak regime. But it's new movements that will be crucial in the future, such as the young labor activists of April 6, associations of white and blue collar workers, as well as the New Wafd Party, a revival of the party that dominated Egypt from the 1920s to the 1950s, when the country had real parliamentary elections and real prime ministers.

The Brotherhood hardly would get more than 30% of the votes in a free and fair election (and they are firm believers in parliamentary democracy). They are not hegemonic, and definitely not the face of the new Egypt. In fact there's a strong possibility they would evolve to become similar to the AKP (Justice and Development Party) in Turkey. Moreover, according to a recent Pew poll, 59% of Egyptians want parliamentary democracy, and 60% are against religious extremism.

Egypt essentially makes money out of tourism, tolls in the Suez Canal, manufacture and agricultural exports, and aid (mostly military) such as the annual $1.5 billion from the US. It badly needs to import grain (the reason behind increasing food prices, one of the key reasons for the protests). All of this spells out a dependency on the outside world. The Egyptian souq (the bazaar), with a large Coptic Christian community, totally depends on foreign tourists.

It's fair to imagine a really representative, democratic government in Egypt would inevitably open the Gaza border and de facto liberate hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. And that those Palestinians, fully supported by their neighbors in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria in the fight for their legitimate rights, would turn the "stability" of the region upside down.

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