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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:01 PM
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Egypt is free...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:04 PM
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1. umm sorry but they are now ruled by an unelected military junta lol. doesn't sound free to me nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:11 PM
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11. It's not clear that the Supreme Council is "ruling" anything or that they can.
lol

Very likely that there will be a tug between the Council and the coalition of reformers but Egypt is well on its way.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:09 PM
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2. They're only free from Mubarack, so far.
It'll be quite some time before we find out if they really gained their freedom.
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:11 PM
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3. Maybe now we can focus on that lazy ass Boner.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 02:32 PM
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4. Well, not quite. Military rule can be rough.
However, it might also be necessary. If they hadn't forced Mubarak out and dismissed the entire administration, they'd likely have taken part in vicious repression and that would have led to a violent, bloody overthrow followed by a power vacuum. We saw what happens when there's any sort of power vacuum in Iran and Afghanistan, people will welcome any gang of pious thugs as long as they promise to restore order.

Egypt might be starting the process of becoming more free. That's the best outcome at this point.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:04 PM
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5. Not until the military hierarchy and the bourgeoisie are gone too.

This is act one.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:09 PM
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7. Can you even have a bourgeoisie in a socialist state.
Edited on Fri Feb-11-11 03:12 PM by Statistical
The millionaires in the Egyptian military aren't the lawful owners of the capital. They simply skimmed off the top of state owned and run enterprises.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:12 PM
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8. 'lawful' is but a convention of those in power.

When the people finally take control of the means of production they will be the 'lawful' owners.

Not all of the very wealthy in Egypt are military, every time a state enterprise is privatized millionaires and even a few billionaires pop up like fungus.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 03:09 PM
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6. Not yet. But hopefully on the path.
There's still the military to worry about.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 04:56 PM
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10. Here's the special Democracy Now! did this morning.

As news of Hosni Mubarak’s resignation breaks, Democracy Now! broadcasts live reaction from Tahrir Square and beyond with Senior Producer Sharif Abdel Kouddous and Correspondent Anjali Kamat. "People are holding their hands up in victory," reports Kouddous. "This will be a day that no one will ever forget." We are also joined on the phone from Cairo by Egyptian activists Mona El Seif and Salma al-Tarzi, blogger Alaa Abdel-Fattah, feminist Nawal El Saadawi, acclaimed writer Ahdaf Soueif, and Egyptian Historian Khaled Fahmy who tells Amy Goodman, "I never really thought I would see this glorious moment in my lifetime." Mohamed Abdel Dayem with the Committee to Protect Journalists, discusses the new freedom of the press. We also hear from veteran Middle East journalist Robert Fisk and Columbia professor Rashid Khalidi about what is next for Egypt. "Many people in Washington would love a neoliberal future for Egypt," says Khalidi. "But the two things that are essential are Egypt’s geo-political alignment with this country and its acquiescence in Israeli regional domination."

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/2/11/the_egyptian_revolution_a_democracy_now_special_on_mubaraks_resignation

Guests
Anjali Kamat, Democracy Now! correspondent
Sharif Abdel Kouddous, Democracy Now! senior producer
Mona El Seif, Egyptian activist
Mohamed Abdel Dayem, Committee to Protect Journalists
Salma Tarzi, Egyptian activist
Robert Fisk, Middle East correspondent for the Independent (UK)
Ahdaf soueif, Egyptian novelist
Nawal El Saadawi, Egyptian human rights activist and feminist
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:21 PM
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12. Awesome- thank you!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:36 PM
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14. The guest list seems to be wrong for this segment
-- seems to cover the whole hour. LOL @ Amy beaming for the whole 60 minutes today, the big Commie. :)

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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-11 05:34 PM
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13. Free? Well, we'll see....
If that gets them what they want.
What do they want?
Recent poll -
ON TRADITIONAL MUSLIM PRACTICES

-- Should men and women be segregated in the workplace? 54 percent said "yes" and 44 percent "no."

-- Should adulterers be stoned? 82 percent said "yes."

-- Should apostates from Islam face the death penalty? 84 percent said "yes."

-- Should thieves be flogged or have their hands cut off? 77 percent said "yes."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/02/us-egypt-islam-poll-idUSTRE7116ND20110202?pageNumber=2
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