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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:47 PM Original message |
Bill Would Require Kansas Babies To Undego Paternity Test |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't understand how the state can legally put someone's name on a birth certificate |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Yep, yet another WTF moment. n/t |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Gonna cause an awful lot of divorces |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. what about |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
45. What right has the state to know? |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Wouldn't that be something, find yourself on several birth certificates for child |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I hear it's an epidemic. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Is it really or are you joking. Given what goes today, not surprised if epidemic. n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 06:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
87. Cracking wise. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #87 |
99. Oh! n/t |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Even WITHOUT notifing the "Father" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. What business is it of the state who the father is? Unless there is a challenge... |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Watch the women's group oppose this enforce |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. What makes you think they will oppose it? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Wait and see - they have before |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Why? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
10. Should a baby have an invasive test (i.e., a blood test) for a purpose |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Newborns don't normally get a blood test |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Not without consent. And it's only supposed to be for their benefit. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 01:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
64. It doesn't take a blood test |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. So, if the paternity is assumed to be unknown, why should the |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
93. It's not to the baby's benefit to know who the father is? |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
13. this is outrageous |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. so the one out of a hundred (or whatever) |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
38. Some communities as High as 20% |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
41. no, that father should get the DNA test on his own |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. EXACTLY .... and it's no one else's business who the father is ....!! |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Unless of course you are the Victim of Fraud |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
57. If you are at ALL concerned about that, then get the test. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #51 |
65. Right .. then, you ask for the info you need -- requiring this of every child/family is nuts! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:13 AM Response to Reply #41 |
75. Uh, the 18% group is poor. It's only 3% at the wealthy end of things. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:35 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. does it cost more than an abortion? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:40 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I believe the government should fund abortions. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 04:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. until it does, I object to funding DNA tests |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
56. No. If they suspect it's not their child, they can get a test ordered. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
76. At best they can order a cheap test that's $80. If it's negative, they need accredited tests. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. You often can't challenge it |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I think it's a good idea since as you say you often can't challenge it. That's what |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. What do you mean by "extremely heavy hand of the law..."? Do you |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. I do |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. wouldn't it make more sense to allow the paternity challenge if there's a reason? |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The law isn't about justice |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
72. I don't think you're aware of the legal ramifications, if you raise a kid that isn't yours... |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
40. you RARELY can't challenge it |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. Let's call it what it is |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. yeah, well, why don't those who want the test just get the test |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. Just because you don't trust your mate doesn't mean you should seek to impose |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. What if it was opt out? No imposition, you can opt out. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:18 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Fine. But what's the point of the bill then? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. To correct incorrect paternity issues. 20% lower class, it unduely harms them. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
107. Where's the data for that? And what is the harm to the baby |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #70 |
92. If everyone could trust their partners |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
58. If you have any doubt at all, get a test done as soon as a baby's born. |
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Karia (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
18. So Kansas will have a DNA bank! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. That's a great point |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I think you have hit on how to defeat this. nt |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Doesn't say they have to keep it on file |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
33. Read me: |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. DING DING DING! Karia, you're our grand prize winner! |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
59. Good point, lots of things start out with someone thinking it's a good idea, but then it |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #18 |
89. And once they have the dna, they can then place it in the national database. nt |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
104. next stop - need a bank of dna for comparisons to id the father... |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. halooo! check |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
24. So, how many necessary medical procedures wont be obtained or |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
26. And when a test comes back pointing to the mother's own father or brother? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Yep. |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. self delete |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
32. either test for paternty at birth or before requiring any sort of child-support. |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. I see this backfiring on a lot of men who deny paternity |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. "It was my identical twin!" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
73. Men who deny paternity get tested. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #73 |
88. By a legal requirement or by choice? |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #88 |
119. By court order, as part of the lawsuit seeking child support (nt) |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #73 |
103. Oh no they don't. They more often declare the mother sleeps around and the father could be anyone. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
39. I would suggest only one exeption; |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. "What, Honey, don't you trust me?" |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #44 |
97. Some husband's might choose to be the father of children that aren't "theirs" |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
42. "Cause that's the point folks ... we ALWAYS know who the Mother is .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
47. Also, many males are contributing to SPERM BANKS based on NOT being identified--!! |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. That, is an interesting point! Someone donates to a sperm bank and then KS |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
60. That has already happened multiple times |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Good lord, It looks like these laws need to be done on a national level so we all follow the |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. not exactly true, child support for sperm donors is awarded in very unusual cases |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
115. Cept all the woman has to do is say "I don't want the father on the certificate" |
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Mz Pip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. Big government |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
49. Only under one circumstance would I approve of this |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. This should take all of five minutes to get a federal strike. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
54. So, who pays for this? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
61. And how is this the business of the state? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:33 AM Response to Reply #61 |
69. +1000. n/t |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #61 |
100. Because the state will collect support from someone. |
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Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:18 AM Response to Original message |
66. Who's going to pay for the tests? Medicaid and higher insurance premiums anyone |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 02:38 AM Response to Original message |
71. No medical test is perfect. There are mistakes and false negatives and positives. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:03 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I think this is more of an issue in forensic DNA / criminal DNA testing. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. No medical test is that perfect. Reports can get switched, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
79. So all pregnant women are guilty of adultery unless proven innocent |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 03:46 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. "Adultery" is a bit harsh. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #84 |
118. Of course. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 08:50 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. I think it's more about all children deserving financial support |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Or those who will lose it if their birth families blow apart |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
86. You can't "identify the father" from just the baby, so how exactly will he be tracked down, if he |
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CJvR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
91. No big deal... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. I have heard of no plan to keep this data base |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #96 |
117. Other way around... |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
94. Dang, I thought it was unconstitutional to make someone pay for a service. nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
105. "unconstitutional to make someone pay for a service" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
95. Impossible. How do they plan to decide who to test? |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
98. This kind of law would make baby Jesus cry. |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I really agree with your last sentence, so very true ... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
102. Good. Paternity fraud sucks, and its victims frequently in poverty to begin with. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. And how is this supposed to help the children involved? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. "By excluding the only father a child has known" Newborns haven't known any father yet. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Any man who doubts paternity is free to have his child tested anytime. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-12-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. It's bad practice to create documentation for things that are not known to be true. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Legally, the husband IS the father. So, in the case of a married couple, |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Not every birth is within a marriage |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
114. On request they should not be allowed to refuse the father the test |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-13-11 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
116. So who's going to pay for this mass testing? And... |
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