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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:10 PM
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"The tax bill is not the savior of the Obama presidency. It could be the beginning of its end"

The Political Fights the President Chooses
by Laurence Lewis
December 19, 2010


This bill is not the saviour of the Obama presidency. It could be the beginning of its end. From the day of the inauguration, if any single bill was going to have the greatest impact on the success or failure of the Obama presidency, it was going to come early and it was going to be on the economy. Not this bill. The stimulus bill. The president's first opportunity to do something about the disaster he inherited from Bush and Reagan and Milton Friedman. That was when he should have used every means at his disposal to enact what would come to define his first, and possibly only, term in office. He was enormously popular. His predecessor was enormously unpopular. People were scared. They knew something fundamental was broken. They were ready for transformational change. They believed in change. They had the audacity of hope.

The polls show support for the Obama tax package, but however much the bill's supporters tout them, the polls aren't really relevant. The polls show that a lot more people want to get rid of the top bracket tax cuts than want the package that includes them. Did the president try to make the case that the future of his presidency depends on passing the middle-class tax cuts without the high-end cuts? Did he try to make the case that his presidency depends on extending unemployment benefits by themselves, decoupled from tax cuts, as they should be? Did he tell Congressional leaders to remain in session as long as it takes to get middle-class tax cuts and unemployment benefits, and that if the middle class, the poor, and the unemployed don't get to enjoy their holidays neither should Congress? Would the public have rallied behind a president taking such a stand? We will never know. The president picks his fights. His more ardent defenders cannot credibly claim that it isn't his job to push legislation. He didn't fight for a public option, but he did fight for the final health insurance bill. He didn't fight for the stimulus we needed, but he is fighting for a bill that could spell the political doom of both him and his party.

There is so much wrong with the Obama tax plan that perhaps the worst single aspect is not getting the attention it deserves. The corporatist media dutifully pay little attention to it, and the polls therefore reflect little public awareness of it. And it's only a political paradigm shift of such magnitude as potentially to change the very nature of the Democratic Party.

Filling the gap from the general fund is a temporary fix, but with the president himself buying into deficit worries, even as the economy screams for more robust Keynesian stimulus, and with a Republican House less than a month away, we all know that the temporary fix, unlike the tax cuts themselves, will in fact be temporary. So, the Obama tax plan carves a hole in Social Security funding, and with the president's Catfood Commission already having recommended cuts in benefits, the way this plays out is obvious. The president didn't fight the Republicans when he had a Democratic Congress, so it's not realistic or pragmatic to expect him to fight them when they control the House. And by passing the Obama tax plan, the majority of Congressional Democrats have joined him in what may turn out to be the beginning of the end of the New Deal. And a very credible Congressman says the president was on the phone to House Democrats telling them that his presidency depended on the bill's passage. The president may have been right. But not the way he thought. Because much more than his presidency is on the line and under open political assault; and in an unprecedented move, he and Congressional Democrats have just ceded them critical ground.

Read the full article at:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/12/19/929674/-The-political-fights-the-president-chooses


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Tax Cut Deal A Hidden Threat To Social Security
By Ryan Grim
December 8, 2010


The tax cut deal that President Obama struck with congressional Republicans contains a provision that could ultimately be the undoing of Social Security, say Senate Democrats and backers of the old-age and disability program.

Obama, as part of the Democratic package, secured a roughly 30 percent cut in the payroll tax, from 6.2 to 4.2 percent. Allowing it to expire in a year will mean that workers will see a nearly 50 percent jump in payroll taxes as the rate reverts back -- an event that will surely be described as a tax hike. The cut is estimated to cost $120 billion per year.

Republicans acknowledged that the expiration of the tax holiday will be treated as a tax increase. "Once something like this goes into place, a year from now, when it expires, it'll be portrayed as a tax increase," said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). So in a body like Congress, precedents matter and this is setting a precedent. I think that certainly is going to create some problems down the road if it passes."

Given that Congress, under Democratic control, can't gather itself to let tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire, members of both parties are convinced that letting the payroll tax rate revert back to its current spot will be near impossible.

Read the full article at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/tax-cut-deal-a-hidden-thr_n_793983.html








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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:14 PM
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:20 PM
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3. We're not going to get anywhere before we realize he is not The One.
He's a neoliberal pushing Reaganomics. We each have to decide if this is a matter of giving up or waking up.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:38 PM
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4. +1
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:40 AM
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21. Reagan didn't push more regulation over every sector of the economy like Obama has.
Wake up!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:08 AM
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26. And Obama doesn't wear a cowboy hat.
Oh wait...

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:42 PM
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28. So no substantive response?
I just pointed out how ridiculously out of touch with reality it is to accuse Obama of Reaganomics and all you can do is post a picture of him in a hat. I guess you're more concerned with symbolism than action. Continue with your mindless one-liners.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:54 PM
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30. Why is it "ridiculous" to accuse Obama of Reaganomics?
What else would you call it? One more addition to my ignore list.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 02:04 PM
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31. Maybe you didn't read it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=40886&mesg_id=42903

It's ridiculous because Obama is doing the exact opposite of what Reagan believed in.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:02 PM
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32. I guess that was what passes for a substantive response in your world.
Edited on Mon Dec-20-10 10:03 PM by Lasher
Obama's doing the exact opposite of what Saint Ronnie believed in? What an explosion of ignorance! If we need to wake up then you're in a coma. Do yourself a favor, read up on neoliberalism. Then summon the courage to ask yourself if there is anything about Obama's behavior that fits. Because there is.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:41 PM
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5. In the end, it's not about Obama. It'a about us. And our children. And our world.
Or is that too "radical" for you?

Obama wasted away the greatest chance we had for at least a beginning of transformative change. The very reason he was elected. And I am more grieved that I can express that it was not only a D (I really don't care much about the Ds) but far more importantly the first person of color to win the Presidency who is presiding over our descent into blatant Oligarchy and the final destruction of the ecosystem.

But in the end, it is not about Obama. Whether he "wins" or "loses" or is "popular" or unpopular. What the polls say. It is about what happens to us - the ordinary people in this country and around the world, to our children, to the planet.

And in the reality based community who doesn't give much of a good god damn if something is a "win" for the Ds (and how this perverted mess of a Bill is seen as a "win" for the Ds, who everyone knows capitulated totally to the Rs on it is beyond me)- we only care about what it does to us. And it ain't good. In fact, it is very, very bad.

I grieve for what the Obama presidency has become. But a lot more for the world I am leaving to my daughter and grand-daughter.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:32 PM
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13. Completely on point nt
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 08:00 PM
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18. He owes us. I would rather figure out how to get us into a position to collect, and
get stronger and more independent of any of them in the process, rather than only seek to punish him.

But, I don't think any of that is possible unless we ARE potentially willing to punish him.

It's this weird balance 50:50 that has to be built out of really working hard, and knowing as much as possible about what's going on, and staying current, and helping each other, and being there for our allies in Congress.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:43 AM
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:43 PM
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16. He's the ultimate inside straight
Bet the farm! Don't be a downer! The guy across the table's betting like he has a boat; even if you fill it, you may well lose, but never give up "hope"!

Hamlin's a bore, anyway; LISTEN TO THE MUSIC!

I've literally never encountered any figure that people felt they owed more than this man, and it beggars any analysis why.

Considering how he's cowed and timid with adversaries when he has a HUGE legislative majority, a HUGE margin of victory and ENDLESS examples of their bungling in power, I dread how he's going to act when the majority's thin and HE'S the one whose record is assailed.

Scoff on; it's only our lives...
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:37 PM
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19. I have a huge problem if the following quote is true
"And a very credible Congressman says the president was on the phone to House Democrats telling them that his presidency depended on the bill's passage."

It is not about one persons' job or how a president looks. It is about the American people and this country.
There is a lot of fear right now in the democratic party because they feel betrayed. It is a real fear.
You are entitled to your opinion as they are to theirs'.

If they are wrong then their fear will become hope. If you are wrong then this country is in a world of hurt.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:46 AM
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23. If you're eager to believe anything that confirms your fears
then you will always be easily manipulated.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:07 AM
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27. For the most part I am in a wait and and see mode
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:42 PM
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6. Obama will be reelected in spite of you.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 05:46 PM
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7. Hurray! A 4th Bush Term!
:woohoo:

...

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:22 PM
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10. No he won't..
... you wait and see.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:18 PM
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20. I'll bet you a $50 DU Donation he will be re-elected. Care to demonstrate your certainty?
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:24 PM
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12. He may be re-elected.
But it's dubious to suggest that the OP, just by posting these essays, is working to insure that Obama is not re-elected.

-Laelth
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:57 PM
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17. Because that's all that matters, right?
Pay no attention to the bad policies - taking a whack at Social Security is a-ok as long as we win reelection.
:puke:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 06:12 PM
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8. K & R
:party: :toast: :grouphug: :yourock:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:15 PM
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:22 PM
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11. Yes. De-funding SS is a very, very bad idea. k&r n/t
-Laelth
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:36 PM
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14. Denial.
Bold and naked.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 07:42 PM
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15. k/r
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:52 AM
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24. K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 12:54 AM
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25. k*r Very good article. imho, Tim Geithner was the beginning of the end n/t
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 01:48 PM
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29. recommended
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