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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:32 PM
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What is the biggest contributor to the national debt?
I am so confused. I am looking at all these graphs and reading all these articles and my head is spinning. I want to know what is the biggest item on average that has caused federal budget deficits through the years.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:34 PM
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1. Two pieces in my view. War and tax cuts for the rich.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:35 PM
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2. 1. Defense 2. Interest on the national debt.
Sad but true.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:51 PM
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6. Yep...
Mostly it's this Bush warring that was supposed to pay for itself... which is why he set it out on its own budget... and then Obama put it back in with the rest so we could see the reality.

If we cut defense spending, and got back to the military being self-sufficient instead of pouring all that defense money into outside support vendors, we'd save billions.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:12 PM
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10. +1-- Obama's wars of aggression and our involuntary service to the rich and powerful....
Don't forget that the largest single factor in the creation of that debt was military and MIC spending, too. We are about to experience the pain formerly felt by Soviet citizens as their cost of military empire pulled their nation into the dustbin.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:18 PM
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25. ^ ITA with you Mike ^
The beat goes on though the Bush is gone...
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:44 PM
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3. Military and wars.
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 12:47 PM by immoderate
Money spent on weapons is a negative multiplier on the economy. The goods and services it represents are subtracted from normal circulation. You build a tank, if it's not used, its money down the hole. If it is, it's destruction of assets, lives and economies. If you build a bulldozer, it's jobs, infrastructure and commerce. You make roads, parks, communites, and factories.

War also leads to long term expensive obligations, such as to the wounded, who not only are removed from participation, but become a burden on their families and communities. Being dead is not any better, but less expensive. We are still paying off the Vietnam War, the maiden heist of the military industrial complex.

--imm
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rgbecker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:48 PM
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5. Very well stated analysis. Thanks.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:46 PM
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4. Two wars,. Unfunded tax cuts.
That's been the problem the last ten years or so. IMO.
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jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 12:51 PM
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7. The policies of our country for the last oh 30 years or so.
Military spending that not only jacks up our debt but robs other programs, lowering taxes for the rich over and over, zero effective tax rates for corporations, 'free money' and other giveaways for corporations that the tax payers foot the bill for.

To some extent lowering taxes for the average person while their wages have stagnated for decades, where if they had gotten real raises they wouldn't have needed tax breaks and our country would have more money from their higher wages to do things for the betterment of our nation and people barring wars like Iraq/Afghanistan.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:02 PM
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8. Bush Tax Cuts, Rising health care costs, and the recession (massive unemployment)
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:11 PM
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9. a couple of articles on debt
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:30 PM
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11. The Republican congresscritters..nuff said.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:30 PM
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12. The "defense" budget is the largest contributor to the national debt by far.
Especially if you remove Social Security and Medicare from the general outlays. They shouldn't be included there anyways because SS and associated programs are covered by a TRUST fund.

Interest on the debt is staggering. The Republicans handed over the budget in 2006 and the interest on the debt was over $400,000,000,000 a year! Anyone who understands compounding interest understands that that is pretty much like handing over a race horse after you break one of its legs. To be fair, it was $300,000,000,000 a year when the Republicans took over Congress in 1995.

So I think that the first thing that should be done is to raise the top marginal tax rate back up to 65% and pay off the debt as cuts are made. We could cut $400,000,000,000 from the "defense" budget and still be spending twice as much as the next 4 countries COMBINED!

This would have the additional affect of lowering our petroleum consumption because the US military is the single largest consumer of oil on the planet. Would prices follow? Probably not because, as most of us know, we no longer live in a supply/demand paradigm economically speaking.

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:31 PM
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13. DOD & Tax cuts
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:33 PM
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14. Right now it is the military
In time, it will be medicare. Medicare will be a huge black hole problem in the future.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 01:44 PM
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15. Here is the breakdown.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 02:52 PM
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16. I am confused here..
how did the government spend 700 billion on social security?
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:03 PM
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20. They wrote checks.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:09 PM
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21. I guess what I meant was ....
how is it considered spending when the revenues are collected via a specific tax for the program.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:38 PM
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24. money has been taken out and the government has to pay interest


How much money is "borrowed" from the Social Security fund by other government entities? What are these entities? How much interest do they pay and under which administration did this practice start?
Robert L Wheeler
Kelso, Wash.

ANSWER: The Treasury Department "borrows" surpluses in the Social Security trust funds for use across the federal government. As a practical matter, the amount of money borrowed equals the balances in the trust funds after benefits are paid out.
Two funds exist: one for disability benefits and a much larger one for retirement benefits. The surplus in those funds at the end of fiscal 2007 (Sept. 30, 2007) was about $2.2 trillion, all in non-marketable U.S. Treasury bonds.
The bonds now earn about 5 percent interest. Last year the government paid $110 billion in interest to the trust funds.
This practice began in 1937 with the creation of the Social Security system during Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration. That first year the government paid $2 million in interest on money it borrowed from the retirement trust fund.

http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=74&SubSectionID=589&ArticleID=54771&TM=42596
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:20 PM
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27. They didn't. SS has a dedicated revenue stream. It shouldn't be in that pie chart
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:04 PM
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28. LOL
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 02:53 PM
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17. The Bush Tax Cuts and the wars
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 02:54 PM
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18. The corrupt and evil BushCo Regime.




But I gather we aren't supposed to know that.
Otherwise they would all be in jail by now. :eyes:



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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 02:57 PM
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19. The difference between what we bring in
and what we spend. Also interest.

By my reckoning those have accounted for 95% (+/-5%) of our entire debt. (p <.05)
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:10 PM
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22. yeah but what did we overspend on?
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:13 PM
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23. Depends on your definition
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 03:13 PM by WatsonT
we also could have been said to under-collect.

Going by what 99% of people say: we over-spend on projects they don't use, under-spend on projects they do use, and under-collect from everyone who isn't them.

Which is why we're in this mess.
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WatsonT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:41 PM
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31. More specifically
the military is the most obvious one. I'd like to see us work on removing ourselves from foreign conflicts and foreign military obligations and move our troops home. All the while working to reduce the overall size down to a more workable amount and focusing on research and intelligence.

I would also push for reductions in foreign financial commitments.

And of course there are a thousand little cuts that can be made in various budgets that wouldn't affect the overall effectiveness of those programs but would yield a hefty savings.

Legalizing marijuana would be a major saver as well as potential revenue source.

We ought to remove the cap on taxable income for social security to keep that in the black.

That's not a comprehensive list. Just off the top of my head.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 04:20 PM
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26. The bloated military, in my opinion,
not just the wars but the unnecessary bases around the world. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:05 PM
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29. The desire to have deficits to move money by interest payments to those with assets.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 05:05 PM
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30. Does Charlie Sheen pay for his own coke and hookers?
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