Unconfirmed report via Twitter that BIG DOG will be there in less than an hour!!

[PeaceNikki]

:o

[Hello_Kitty]

1. Where?

[Faygo Kid]

2. Madison?

Where?

[Iris]

3. Keep us posted -here and on Twitter!

If he shows up, I might even be moved to turn on my TV!

[cali]

that would be so great!

[xchrom]

4. ruh-roh. -- if he speaks -- he'll have that crowd

going wild.

i don't care for his policies -- but that man can drive home a point when you set him in front of a crowd.

[savalez]

5. Who, what, when and where?

[PeaceNikki]

6. Clinton @1:00 is all I've got. I have text updates from friends now saying this, too.

[savalez]

7. Thanks!

[leveymg]

8. He'll be where? Twitter? DU? Madison? Cairo? In my kitchen?

[PeaceNikki]

10. Madison.

[leveymg]

12. Thanks.

[somone]

9. Clinton WILL kick that punk's ass

[snappyturtle]

11. That makes me very happy to hear! Thanks! nt

[tallahasseedem]

13. No way!

If the Big Dog shows up, that will be just pure heaven!

[barbtries]

14. never mind

who is big dog? it's bill clinton! :rofl:
yes, i have heard that nickname before.

remember when elvis died(some of you must!) i'll never forget this. my co-worker said, "the king is dead," and i said, "Mohammad ali died?!"

[somone]

15. Bill Clinton

[PeaceNikki]

16. Bill Clinton.

[DLine]

17. Im thinking they mean Clinton? nt

[barbtries]

20. yes.

thank you to all who responded. i figured it out and edited my post. i don't do nicknames so much...

[Buns_of_Fire]

30. Elvis died? nt

[barbtries]

37. lol

that's what we were told - sometime in the 1970's if memory serves

[Buns_of_Fire]

45. Ah, that explains it. I was pretty preoccupied at the time...

Working on my budding IT career and getting it nice and shiny to be outsourced to Bangalore.

I wonder what else happened while I wasn't paying attention...:scared:

[madinmaryland]

100. Don't worry! Abe Vigoda is still alive.

[Wilms]

18. The former Outsourcer-in-Chief?

Triangulation time?

[Oilwellian]

21. Yeah

Pretty rich, eh?

[earth mom]

33. Crazy ain't it? Yet people are rec-ing this thread like Mr. NAFTA is gonna save the day.

:wtf:

:crazy:

[lonestarnot]

99. WTF is right.

:crazy: NAFTA got 'er done! yeehaw. not.

[Ohio Joe]

19. Sweet, I love the BIG DOG

:applause:

[TheDebbieDee]

56. Me too!

[Horse with no Name]

22. I don't think he is there to stand with

Of course he will "understand their concerns"...and "share with the President"...but he will no doubt convey the message that what is happening is not "good for the country"....etc etc etc.

[PeaceNikki]

24. Oh bull.

[Dappleganger]

28. Hey PeaceNikki

I am following you on twitter now--@Basye

[PeaceNikki]

36. Cool! :)

Sadly, my participating will be waining today. I have to leave the state for a business trip tomorrow AM. Poorly times cuz I would be there today otherwise. :( I am only about an hour east and have several friends there.

[earth mom]

34. Wake up-Clinton is a full on corporatist. Remember NAFTA?

:puke:

[PeaceNikki]

38. Fine - but do you think he'd be there to support the counter-protesters?

I think not.

[earth mom]

43. Clinton is there for damage control to try & get people to falsely believe that the dem party

is behind them-when they most certainly are not!

Connect the dots and you will see that more people are jobless and homeless right now more than EVER BEFORE with a so called dem president in office!

Let's not sugar coat this and see it for what it is!

Bill Clinton is NOT there to save the day, no way in hell.

[Name removed]

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[Horse with no Name]

50. Wholeheartedly agree.

And I hate to say that I like Clinton. His charm is that he can make you feel good about doing things that are not going to benefit you.

[earth mom]

55. Yep, Bill is charming and handsome but not to be trusted. nt

[CTyankee]

64. Why don't we wait and see...

I've seen him admit he's been wrong on several things and I had issues with severalthings he did as President.

We just don't know, do we?

[Horse with no Name]

48. Of course not. He is there to appease the protestors

Make them feel good. Make them feel like they have won some sort of shallow victory. Once they go home, it will be business as usual.

[Horse with no Name]

47. I hope I am wrong

But he seems to be the mouthpiece of this administration...and I have lost all faith in them.:(

[barbtries]

40. i don't think so

i think he'll be there in solidarity with the workers.

[eleny]

23. Here's one twitter page about it...

http://twitter.com/muskrat_john

[DearAbby]

25. I wonder

The teabags are gonna haul out the Artificial"DICK" Cheney, just to one up, would the "Twitters" be all a Flitter?

[JitterbugPerfume]

26. Whatever you think of the BigDog

He is a much loved ex-president that can kick ass!

[sasha031]

31. Amen

[earth mom]

41. Kick ass for whom? Clinton killed jobs here in the U.S. with NAFTA. He is NOT for the working class

or middle class and NEVER has been.

People on this thread need to wake the hell up to the truth.

Clinton is best buds with the evil Bush Sr. for gawds sake!

What does that tell you?!

[somone]

52. Nobody should ever forget NAFTA and the triangulated bullshit he pulled

but if the protesters can use his presence as a morale booster, I have no problem with it.

[bluestate10]

27. No one can make the case against what Walker is doing better that

Clinton or Obama. President Obama is better out of the fray. Clinton will connect what the protesters against the bill are fighting for to the future struggles of workers that think they do not need unions and who don't understand the benefits that union negotiations have directly given them. Clinton can match any speaker the republicans bring forward, then some.

[dhill926]

46. totally agree..........n/t

[sasha031]

29. that's great news

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35. Domo Arigato DU Grovelboto

[eleny]

39. Now people are saying he will be there at 1 PM

http://twitter.com/HarvestRest

[Bumblebee]

42. Remember -- he is always late :-)

and thanks to my secret admirer!

[hedgehog]

49. If he shows up , the TV cameras will follow.

[butterfly77]

51. Beat me to it..

[southernyankeebelle]

53. ok who is big dog?

[cynatnite]

58. Bill Clinton. n/t

[polmaven]

54. OH!

so that's why Secret Service was seen in Madison yesterday!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

57. NAFTA IS THE ANSWER.... we can out source teachers

I really can't believe he would show up....

Not his trick pony.

[sufrommich]

62. If he does, you may not want to watch. I don't think you're

going to like the reaction he gets from the crowd.

[polmaven]

67. Now THAT was a very

strange response to my simple statement about it being the reason for yesterday's rumors about the Secret Service...How is NAFTA the "answer" to the Secret Service?

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

[polmaven]

59. DELETE...

wrong place...

[PeaceNikki]

60. Still no ACTUAL reports of Clinton - but still chatter.

[wndycty]

61. That might be why I was hearing the reports of the Secret Service being in town

:kick:

[rainbow4321]

63. Guess that fits in with reports a few days ago about the SS being in town there

There was speculation if POTUS or VPOTUS were going to show up...yay for BIG DOG!!

[upi402]

65. HE CAUSED THIS............. NAFTA, GATT. Telecommunications Act

NOW THIS REPUBLICAN WANTS TO JUMP IN FRONT OF THE PARADE AND SOAK UP THE SPOT LIGHT???????????????????

:mad:

[PeaceNikki]

66. Clinton lied about the budget deficit and wants to end collective bargaining in Wisconsin!?!

Wow... the shit you learn on DU. :crazy:

[upi402]

68. ?

Do you understand what is going on and why we are in this condition? I was an activist fighting NAFTA. I was a delegate in opposition to Clinton's initial nomination run. He was an anti-worker politician all along. He has no place in this aside from grabbing glory from the very people he has harmed. He is anti-union and anti-worker. Always has been.

[PeaceNikki]

69. Exactly.

[upi402]

70. you must be too young to remember

re-read my previous post. do your homework a bit. you're on the right track but need a little fuller understanding. no worries.:toast:

[PeaceNikki]

71. No, I know what you're talking about, but none of that has ANYFUCKINGTHING to do with the WI protest

[upi402]

72. not so

what the WI protesters are suffering is directly due to Clinton's policy

again, just a bit mor connecting the dots will help. you're fine and i understand what you want to belive. i wish i could too, really.

[high density]

74. WTF does NAFTA have to do with this?

These specific workers are being screwed because this asshole Repuke in WI shoved through tax cuts last month. Now this month he acts like union workers are to blame for his self-inflicted budgetary problems, and instead of taking concessions from them he simply wants to kill the unions. Killing unions will not fix the budget.

[RainDog]

95. solidarity means solidarity for ALL workers, not simply the ones in WI

in the 1990s, manufacturers were able to outsource union jobs to lower-paying places like Mexico where workers are paid dollars per week.

Michael Moore did some great work on this in The Awful Truth - the management living in El Paso while their companies set up shop across the border in Mexico - this HURT the American economy - and, believe me, a lot of people, whether labor or not, know and remember that Clinton wasn't on the side of labor time after time.

There is a HUGE disconnect among those who seem to think this is about Republicans vs. Democrats since the DLC was right in there destroying the working class year after year.

We get a vote for the lesser of two evils too often in this nation - that's not simply the fault of the Democratic party - a major fault lies with the American media - as we've seen in their reporting of the events in WI, with the religious right, that lies to people and makes them think they're somehow "godly" to not support workers' rights via union organization (this is esp. prominent in right-to-work states... being a fundie and screwing yourself politically seem to go hand-in-hand.)

So, this is why people aren't all that jazzed about Bill Clinton showing up at a labor protest. When he was president, his actions didn't indicate he was all that big on rights for workers.

[Vinnie From Indy]

73. Is he going to tell them how much NAFTA and the DLC have helped them

over the last two decades?

I see this as an attempt to co-op the movement and thus have some control over it. In short, I think Clinton has some responsibility for where we are today in America.

[high density]

76. What does NAFTA have to do with state workers and teachers?

Most state workers I am aware of do not manufacture things.

[Vinnie From Indy]

81. Well gee, you are kind of thinking about this is an extremely narrow terms

NAFTA has decimated manufacturing in the US. Much of that work was done by unionized labor. Not only has the loss of jobs hurt the families of millions of unionized workers, it has put tremendous pressures on state governments on many fronts. High unemployment, higher Medicaid, less tax revenue. These financial pressures bring about the BS we see today in WI with the teachers. If you need an explanation of why the DLC sucks please do some of you own reasearch here on DU and elsewhere.

Cheers!

[upi402]

91. +1,000^ Hard to see how many DUers really don't get it

The media is the source of the disconnect, I know. But really, there's no excuse for DUers to miss this obvious outcome of the corporate take-over of much of the Democratic Party.

[Smarmie Doofus]

75. To help which side? n/t

[undeterred]

79. ...

:rofl:

Koch brothers union.

[AsahinaKimi]

77. Having Clinton there would be

Amazing!

[Thunderstruck]

78. Why?

[undeterred]

80. I think it would be absurd.

He was here to campaign for Jim Doyle campaigning for governor 5 years ago. He was amazing and that was appropriate. He is a great Democratic Campaigner.

This is a populist movement. He doesn't belong here.

[AsahinaKimi]

82. The tea party brought in Joe the Plumber?

Rev. Jessie Jackson was there. Democrats are supposed to stand up for Unions. Clinton is a democrat, and thus hopefully stands up for unions, and NOT BIG BUSINESS.

[undeterred]

83. What Democrats are supposed to do and what they actually do

are two different things. Bill Clinton can stay in New York. We'll just stick with homegrown Russ Feingold any day, thanks very much.

[AsahinaKimi]

84. Theres an OLD rule in warfare...

NEVER TURN away your allies.

[xphile]

96. What makes you think Clinton is an ally? He passed NAFTA which was nothing but an assault on

working people many of whom were unionized. NAFTA is yet another reason why unions have been weakened in this country.

Clinton didn't do any favors for working people. He has no business there.

[PeaceNikki]

85. Apparently he did stay in NY and the rumors and chatter was just that.

The SS was spotted repeatedly there which is interesting and probably what started the rumors.

[undeterred]

90. There were lots of Sarah Palin rumors and she didn't show up either.,

I was there for 4 hours and I saw state patrol, sheriffs, and Madison Police. No secret service.

[RandomThoughts]

86. Fleetwood Mac - Don't Stop

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8arvEzHsA8

Don't stop that Bill, Stop the other Bill :D


Side note, Question, has anyone figured out who Big MO8) is yet?
:D

Hint, it is not Money.

|V| I like that concept :D

[lib2DaBone]

87. Bill Clinton signed NAFTA.. he signed Media Deregulation....

..Media Deregulation gave total control of our home-town radio stations to Clear Channel and Fox News. Bill also cut critical welfare to the needy.. (the ones that needed it most)


I find it hard to cheer for Bill or Hillary

[upi402]

92. agreed

NAFTA, GATT. The Telecommunications Act, Welfare "Reform"... all from this "Democrat".
The result is the lack of jobs and financial pinch we're in. King George 1st would have had trouble getting NAFTA passed, but Clinton did it for the corporations no problem.

Clinton was the most effective Republican president ever! yay

[robdogbucky]

94. You forgot a couple that came into existence on his watch...

Glass-Steagall Act of 1999 and DADT


Charming fellow though a bit of a narcissus

DLC through and through

[upi402]

98. Another charming and charismatic guy:

Ted Bundy. I always keep that in mind when I find myself buying into a compelling statement or plea.

I even keep it in mind listening to voip statements out of Libya and Bahrain. My own little reality check.

[sabrina 1]

97. Don't forget Glass/Steagal which directly led to the

take down of our economy.

[rucky]

88. To be honest, I'd prefer if the party power structure stay out of this one.

I'm sure the Big Dog means well, but I can just see this getting coopted and turning from a people's movement to something more tepid, if it hasn't already.

[PeaceNikki]

89. Apparently he did stay out of it and the rumors and chatter was just that.

The SS was spotted repeatedly there by friends on the ground which is interesting and probably what started the rumors.

[bvar22]

93. The Old Dog needs to just stay on the porch this time.

He did MORE to destroy the Working Class in America than ANY other president in the 20th Century,
including Reagan.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone


"By their works you will know them."

[Matariki]

101. Is he trying to atone for his NAFTA policies?

The ones that undermined unions in the 90's?

Okay, apart from my cynical jab - that's great he's going there to speak. It will help get media attention on the issue.