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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 07:40 AM Original message |
What in the world is he thinking? A liberal critique of Barack Obama |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. sadly, I think there is more truth in that than not |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
48. It is a sad conclusion, yes. |
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Sheri (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. omg! you really nailed that one. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
57. Thanks. n/t |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. That's a lot of people's problems.... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 03:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. Interesting analysis. I hadn't thought of it in that way. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. I'm a cynic. I don't think it can be done. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I am a cynic too, but I can't be a fatalist. |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. The repukes have won the messaging and debate framing war....... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #4 |
65. It's hard to know what to do at this point. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. thereby acknowledging that no one supposedly more "liberal" |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I intend to address what I think people should do in my next essay. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. thank you, i will. i look forward to that, then, Laelth. nt |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Excellent essay. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Glad you enjoyed it. n/t |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. P.S. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Sweet. Got it. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. it's progressively sliding into neo-liberalism. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. +1 n/t |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 02:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
77. you know, we have been completely IN neo-liberalism for a long |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
6. The left in the USA right now is nearly dead as an effective political group... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:22 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I fully agree, as you know. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. The "left" as in socialists and communists have been largely gone for at least a generation - |
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old mark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:16 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I remember - I have an FBI file going back to the late 1960's...nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
68. 1 |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:37 AM Response to Original message |
10. Considering that his approval among Democrats is the highest among any modern Democratic President |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yet. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. All that "fact" illustrates is that the democratic party as most knew it is gone - |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. "there are MANY people who are not satisfied" |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I Don't See It That Way |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
47. That is probably a better way to put it - |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. Anyone who is "satisfied" with the way our government is performing |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Perhaps instead of assuming the vast majority of liberals and Democrats are "dumber than a rock" |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:50 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Perhaps you should reexamine and re-evaluate your own position, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Actually, it is true. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You are apparently basing your reality on recent polls showing |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:04 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Recent polls? How about polls since the day he was inaugurated, including Democratic pollsters? n/t |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. I was a strong supporter of the President during his early days |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
62. Interesting thing about "approval"... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
72. The pony argument again? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
11. So we can hope for change in 2013? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Do you actually think there will be a President more liberal than Obama in the next, say, 30 years? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Considering who controls government now, it will probably take a revolution to fix this mess. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Why do you assume your "revolution" will be successful? |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #18 |
45. It may well usher in an even more right-wing government, which is one of the |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. so many are talking of massive actions, when they won't |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Of course there won't be! It's not a matter of liberal vs. conservative. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Do you actually think you can predict the future say, 30 years out? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. For sure? Of course not. |
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whattheidonot (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
61. way past labels. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. I wouldn't count on it. |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
19. And so the formula is unmasked.. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Sure, he's been "called" a liberal and a socialist. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. He is the furthest from being a liberal of any Democratic President |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:38 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. As post-FDR Democrats go, I'd agree with you. n/t |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
43. In fact my recent research on Eisenhower (who increased those eligible for Social Security) shows |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. He was a Republican, maybe the last good one. nt |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. By "he" I was referring to Obama. Yes, Eisenhower was a republican - |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Yes, I agree. Sorry I misunderstood your post. nt |
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KeepItReal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Being called a "Liberal" or worse and having an obstinate GOP simply gives cover to his moves |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
28. Naw it's all just a chess match. Proles like us couldn't hope to understand... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
74. You know, for two years I tried to believe in eleven-dimensional chess. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
40. Either he takes his base for granted or... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I don't think he cares - as long as he has his wall street donations |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. Or maybe he considers another group to be his base. n/t |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
42. Here's the problem, what's good for Obama is disastrous for the Democratic party. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
46. Obama is just another ambitious centrist pol with his eye on the next election. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. First, most everything I've seen and read coming out of the administration supports this. Second... |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
52. more psycho bs ! |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Could you extrapolate just a sentence or two?? |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Sorry for the vagueness I agree with Laelth's great piece! |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Thanks for the kind words. n/t |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 04:47 AM Response to Reply #52 |
79. Dope ! |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
54. Well written and reasoned essay |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Thanks. n/t |
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whattheidonot (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
58. not liberal |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #58 |
83. "Controlled depression." Interesting. You may be right about that. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
60. that business where you outline the people in and around government |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 08:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. Agreed. Thanks for the kind words. n/t |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. different critque |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Your assesment is very generous. |
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creon (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. no problem |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
78. governing far left is one thing |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #78 |
85. Agreed. And it's preposterous to suggest that Obama is governing far left. n/t |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
84. and as the economy sinks and jobs are harder to find |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-24-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. +1 |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
86. Risky business at best. We will see in 2012. |
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