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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:06 PM Original message |
It just came to me that A Christmas Carol has several anti-Semitic themes |
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virgogal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
1. Cool it. Your grandmother is right,you think too much. I have a |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. ..and I have a fairly WASPy name -- and I *am* Jewish! |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. You've fallen for some modern revisionist thinking on the novella. Scrooge and Marley |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It just came to me, like I said, the feel of it... |
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existentialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. I am also reminded of one of the stories about |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. There is a lot of anti-semetic feelings throught the world.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
51. Fagin is a Gaelic name. And the English and the Irish were enemies. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
40. You mean Good King Wences? |
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Drale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'd rather think of it as a story |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Then Ebeneezer is a republican.., |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. I like that. |
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dark forest (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Back in the 19th century |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. That goes without saying... |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
35. Marley and Scrooge aren't Jewish names, are they? It's the surnames that signify Hebrew (not 1st |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Bill Sykes was definatly the more violent... |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Yes. He was like a pimp. But the younger man was a murderer. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
52. But since the vast majority of Christians then took names |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
10. It is the era when it was written |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. It was written about 50 years before |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
39. The point I was making is that it was Europe |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Some fifty odd years before the Dreyfus affair |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. That was the point I was really trying to make.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
46. the era when it was written was 1843. Dreyfus = France, 1894-1900. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
53. A Jew was Lord Mayor of the City of London in 1855. No pograms there. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
12. Abraham is a "Jewish" name too. Does that make Abraham Lincoln Jewish? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
57. I have 17 Moses Loomises in my family database |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. If Ebeneezer were Jewish, why would he be celebrating Xmas in the past? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
14. Maybe you should first try to discover how common a name Ebenzer once was |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
15. And I'm named after a French Saint... |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Naughty is from the French "Saint" |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. LOL. I like your attitude. (n/t) |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
16. My paternal line for a thousand years has not been Jewish, my given name is Jewish, and my |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. Dickens was anti Semitic |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. That is basically all I was bringing up..... |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Dickens was not anti-semitic. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Fagin is an Irish name, not Jewish. |
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Puzzler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
20. Bear in mind that there are many villains in Dickens stories that are not Jewish, |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I believe Uriah Heep was also presented as Jewish... |
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Puzzler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. True... but |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. Like I said, it just came to me and then I started to think about it |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. Keep in mind that Christmas |
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PADemD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
29. I saw his great great grandson perform A Christmas Carol |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
30. I've never seen that movie or read the story. Now I'm glad. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:06 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. How sad. |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Um. English is my first language. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. you're glad you never saw it because someone said ebeneezer scrooge is jewish? |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
32. Point by point |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. You're disregarding all the similar characters who DON'T have Jewish names. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:35 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Most Christians took their names from the Old Testament |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
37. when his father was imprisoned for debt, Charles wound up working 10-hours a day |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
38. the number three was sacred to pagans long before there were catholics. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Like I said in the post, I certainly don't know what was in Dickens mind at the time |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. "Some people think that Ebenezer Scooge is (Jewish).... |
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Misskittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
43. A common criticism of Brit mystery author Dorothy L. Sayers |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
47. It's clear in the book |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
48. Most Christians at the time had Biblical names -- |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
56. nah... just Republican |
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