Okay, South Korea is starting to piss me off.

[HEyHEY]

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=200655

As is that headline, but that's another story.

They proved their point the other day, now they're just being pricks. I don't support the North and I am well aware of the history of Northern aggression. But, this latest round seems like it IS actual provocation.

Seems like since the old head of the army was forced to quit they put in the wingnuts.

[wtmusic]

1. You might see things a little differently if your neighbor was insane

and armed with nukes.

[apocalypsehow]

3. +1. n/t.

[HEyHEY]

5. Yes, but they already proved the point, I was on their side until now

And that doesn't mean that I support the north.

[Better Believe It]

10. So you would poke your neighbor in the eye to test his insanity?

That's insane!

[wtmusic]

13. They're not poking anyone.

They're letting Kim Jong Fuckhead know that if he tries anything, they're going to defend themselves.

[HEyHEY]

17. They already did that.

This is getting to the point of overkill

[Puregonzo1188]

27. Yes, I always go out of my way to provoke my insane neighbor.

Particularly when he has nukes.

[JVS]

44. He's Canadian, he's used to that.

[HEyHEY]

45. Not only that

At the moment, these guys are my neighbours.

[stevedeshazer]

46. But HeyHEY's neighbor is us.

I rest my case.

[stray cat]

2. I thought the point was n.Korea can bomb ships and people in south korea

And then get food aid and people get mad at s. Korea

[HEyHEY]

8. Don't you think they've proved their point though?

[MH1]

4. You think the SOUTH Koreans are being pricks?

Oh my.

[HEyHEY]

6. I think the North are obvious pricks, but the south backed them down the other day

Now it seems they are going a bit too far.

[Lucinda]

47. Agreed.

The govt took a lot of heat from protestors for their "weak" response to the shelling, and now the hardliners are pushing. It's seriously stupid.

[apocalypsehow]

7. Not me: I admire their courage and determination not to be bullied. UnRec. n/t.

[HEyHEY]

9. Don't you think they've already done that and now they're just escalating things?

[apocalypsehow]

12. No, I don't. n/t.

[HEyHEY]

14. care to expand?

[apocalypsehow]

19. I have stated my opinion: you disagree with it. There is nothing to "expand" on. n/t.

[Name removed]

21. Deleted message

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[apocalypsehow]

29. I have stated my opinion: you disagree with it. There is nothing further to discuss. Not a difficult

concept to wrap one's head around, if one tries. :thumbsup:

[HEyHEY]

31. Okay let's try this another way

COnsidering that the North backed down on Monday, is the South not now the agitator today?

[apocalypsehow]

38. No, it is not. n/t.

[bbinacan]

11. unrec n/t

[HEyHEY]

28. Thank you for that valuable contribution

[bbinacan]

37. Anytime. n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. This is face and you know this

and it is purely for internal consumption since they did not react very much when the Chosan was sunk, or the arty barrage.

Problem is both sides do this... and sooner or later they will go a little too far,

[HEyHEY]

16. Well yeah, we can't forget BOTH sides are Korean

Kind of a crazy culutre at times

[Cali_Democrat]

18. Ya....because the Korean culture is the only one that exhibits military agression

:eyes:

[HEyHEY]

20. What a stupid comment

Can you please explain how that relates to ANYTHING. We're not talking about other places, we're talking about Koreans. We're not saying Koreans are the only ones who act this way, just pointing out its a bit of a factor in this case.

People like you just go around looking to create outside issues that don't exist. Why is that? Is it cause you want to be included, but don't know what you're talking about?

[Cali_Democrat]

40. You said the Korean culture is crazy

I disagree with your stereotype.

[HEyHEY]

41. Then say that. Don't say "Yeah, and they're the only ones" with the sarcasm tag

PS, you first comment actually agrees with me more than anything. SO do you agree or not?

[Cali_Democrat]

42. Please don't stereotype the Korean culture

Calling them a crazy culture is offensive.

[HEyHEY]

43. Well, it can be pretty hard lined and hot-headed.

In my experience.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. The Eastern Concept of face is not just Korean

it is just alien to the West... why at times it seems crazy to us.

I am expecting to have our regularly scheduled escalation in three months at most... since we have been in that routine since oh 1999... and sooner or later somebody will go too far.

[HEyHEY]

25. Face is, in my experience, worse in China

They hold on to that cultural nugget like there's no tomorrow.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Look to the West. Japan...

they still have a few, count them with one hand. suicides, over loss of face.

[Rage for Order]

23. I know, right?

When North Korea shelled that island and killed innocent civilians I was totally okay with it. This BS of South Korea holding military exercises that don't harm anyone is way over the line! SK is really starting to piss me off!

:eyes:

[HEyHEY]

26. I've scanned my original post, and can't see where I said I support North Korea

[Rage for Order]

30. I've scanned my post and can't see where I said you support NK

It appears to me that you're pissed off at the wrong government, but that's just my opinion.

:shrug:

[HEyHEY]

33. Well, you just said it there too

"It appears to me that you're pissed off at the wrong government"

That's an implication I support the North. I do not. I'm saying that it seems today, the south has taken this too far.

[Puregonzo1188]

32. Look, you're either with us or you're with the terrorist.

[HEyHEY]

24. Can I get ONE, just ONE person who thinks these latest moves aren't too far

To tell me why they so adamantly support the south? I mean can you discuss it instead of just saying "unrec" or is that too much to fucking ask? Also, try not to tell me about the bad shit the North has done, I'm well aware of it an support the South. I've been there a few times and have friends there. But, I think they did the right thing Monday, but today seems a bit overboard.

You know, not EVERY post on this fucking website is meant as an affront to your core beliefs.

[Dokkie]

34. with friends like the US

I dont blame them for trying to play the school yard bully. Also who in their right mind would stand up for North Korea even if they were attacked by the south? I just hope America pull out just in time for North Korea ass whopping. Theres nothing I hate more than bullies who cant even fight their own battles

[HEyHEY]

39. I don't think the South has been bullies until this

most recent act.

[JVS]

49. I think they've had a long history of being murderous bastards

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre

[HEyHEY]

51. But, they have toned it down the last few decades

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. unrec n/t

[JVS]

48. People seem to forget that until fairly recently BOTH Koreas were in a batshit craziness competition

[Lucinda]

50. I agree. The BIG protests in SK after their govt response to the shelling

is leading to all this sabre rattling. They do seem to be deliberately provoking now. IMO anyway. Dangerous game.

[neverforget]

52. South Korea has shown considerable restraint considering that the North Koreans

sank a ship killing 49 sailors AND they shelled an island which killed 4 people. And that's just this year and not counting all the crap the North Koreans have done in the past. Considering that those are acts of war, South Korea has done well. They're pissed and they have every right to be pissed when a shithead dictator bullies them.

Here's a pdf with a list of what North Korea has done to the South from 1950-2003:
http://www.fas.org/man/crs/RL30004.pdf

[HEyHEY]

55. I am very familiar with what they have done

And that the south has been remarkable at putting up with it. But now they seem to be taunting them.

[neverforget]

56. I think it's the North Koreans doing the taunting since they're the ones

that are doing the killing.

[Nye Bevan]

53. YES. Countries next door to insane and dangerous Communist dictatorships need to seriously KISS ASS.

South Korea needs to work on being *nice* to their neighbor. Ask them what they need, whether they would like any help with anything, that kind of thing. Because this kind of approach always averts war.

[HEyHEY]

54. Yes, but avoiding a war and deterring one is one thing

Provoking it is another.

[David__77]

57. I'm in the minority, but I agree.

Plenty of people that post on this site I imagine would be very pleased if there were another Korean war. They do not seem to realize that the only reason the N. Korean state survives is because of rightly-motivated anti-US animus in that country due to the atrocities from the first war.

Both sides should cease further provocation, and respect international conventions regarding maritime borders - there is no "Northern Limit Line" that is legally binding. That said, I support the right of the Korean people to determine their own fate, free from interference by foreign forces. I certainly support withdrawal of US military from Korea.