People, we're in deep trouble

[babylonsister]

http://www.salon.com/news/fox_news/index.html?story=/opinion/feature/2010/12/22/media_trouble_lyons

People, we're in deep trouble
Even compared to the manifest swindles and perversions of the past 20 years, we haven't seen anything like Fox News
By Gene Lyons


Recently, I reread Orwell's "Looking Back at the Spanish War." The 1943 essay summarizes what he learned as a volunteer militiaman fighting for Spain's Socialist government against Franco's fascist-backed rebels -- a bitterly disillusioning experience that inspired his three greatest books: "Homage to Catalonia," "1984" and "Animal Farm."

In it, Orwell describes the corrosive effect of politicized mass media. In Spain, he wrote, "I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed ... I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various 'party lines.' "

Welcome to the contemporary world. My own preoccupation with the awful harm caused by slipshod journalism concerned a less momentous but nevertheless troubling event. I can still recall exactly where I was sitting when I discovered that a front-page report of a highly publicized Little Rock murder trial bore no relationship to the actual courtroom testimony or crime scene photos introduced into evidence. I had the transcript and photos in front of me.

snip//

Anyway, I wrote all that to say this: Even compared to the manifest swindles and perversions of the past 20 years or thereabouts, the United States has never seen anything like Fox News. The closest comparison to what Fox does daily would be the party-line propaganda sheets of the far left and extreme right that made Orwell worry "that the very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world."

Recently, the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland released yet another study documenting Americans' lamentable ignorance of public events. It found that regular Fox News viewers were "significantly more likely than those who never watched it to believe" many things that are objectively false: the economy is worsening, that most Republicans opposed TARP, that the stimulus contained no tax cuts, that their own income taxes had increased, that most scientists doubt global warming, etc.

A deluded citizenry can't effectively govern itself. Yet complacency and institutional cowardice causes "mainstream" media to play along with the fiction that Fox News is an ordinarily craven, celebrity-driven news organization.

People, we're in deep trouble.

[ewagner]

1. I'm almost hoarse from yelling

this from the roof tops....but NOBODY is listening except us in the choir.

[Angry Dragon]

2. fox news should be treated as a terrorist organization

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[MedicalAdmin]

23. Enemy of the people # 1 - Murdoch. #2 - Ailes

For the good of the republic...

[66 dmhlt]

52. Add Glenn Beck to that list. And did you know that ...

If you fold a $100 bill jusssst right, it'll spell out "Glenn Beck Is An Asshole"?

[KansDem]

32. Considering that a "terrorist" is someone who uses violence for political gain...

...and that includes the threat of violence, then FOX News is a terrorist organization...
Fox News Calls For Assassination Of Julian Assange

Not to mention some very prominent "leaders."

[Tanelorn]

59. Bob Beckel says that JA is a traitor and a 'treasonist' he forgot to

mention that he is also an Australian so not subject to these
accusations.

Beckel also says that 'I'm not for the death penalty (then
confusing babble) should shoot the SOB illegally. How does
that work. And are you ,Beckel, happy that your moral stance
would be kept in tack if the deed were done illegally.

[Tanelorn]

60. Forget Wikileaks

Bob Beckel has said on this clip that 'every US embassy around
the world has a CIA station chief and everyone knows it'. Bob
Beckel has just outed every US embassy official around the
world as a potential spy and put them in mortal danger. Book
him Danno.

What a great post you have given us, it is a gold mine of self
satire.

Sorry to drone on about Beckel. He has made me realise why
they're is such passion about the leaks. Many pundits have
worked for government and state department and have sent many
cables and messages that they thought were secure. There are
many, many people who will be exposed for things they have
done and said. This is a good thing. Maybe we all need to
think more before we act. Maybe that is the lesson of
wikileaks

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. We have been warning about this for over ten years

if not longer.

[freshwest]

4. We'll just have to repeat history until we get it right!!!

[csziggy]

6. Unfortunately this is not Groundhog Day

And every time we get it wrong people get hurt or killed and our planet suffers.

[freshwest]

9. Until we get it right

[EV_Ares]

5. Which is why I say, the Dems are assisting & helping Fox by going on Fox

just like yesterday i saw Ed Rendall on Fox. They need to continue reporting Fox for what it is and not assist in any way such as appearing on their network.

[BrklynLiberal]

20. You are 100% correct. By appearing on that "network" the Dems, et al give it credibility

that is would not otherwise have.

FAUX NOISE should be boycotted by anyone and everyone who is not a repuke hack.

[defendandprotect]

33. +1000% --

[Wednesdays]

7. Oh, FFS...lay off Fox already, will you?

I mean, they're "fair and balanced," like they say.






Edit: this is always worth a re-watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eRxxZ-Ar0

[liberal N proud]

8. It is the perfect propaganda machine

[pacalo]

11. Something needs to be done to introduce that network to responsible, truthful reporting.

Force them to back up each story with at least 2 credible sources;

Form an official media watch committee for fact-checking & charge with a monetary fine with each incident of misleading or false reporting; must adhere to the committee charter, written by the most respected journalists; or

The FCC must require the Fixed News channel to label all news programs with the disclaimer, "News reporting by this network is strictly pro-Republican Party & is factual only as we see it".

[EFerrari]

12. Why does everybody think American politicians are calling Assange a terrorist?

Truth is the new terror. We are in trouble.

[hulka38]

38. Right. It's not just Fox news.

It's not even just American news. And the wave of deception isn't coming from just one party.

[grasswire]

13. Gene Lyons, blackballed for his work pulling back the curtain.

It's best to heed what he says.

[Scurrilous]

14. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Ghost in the Machine]

15. Recommended! Fox News: Catapulting the Propaganda 24/7

“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-propaganda.htm

[lonestarnot]

16. Merry Christmas Ghostie!

:hug:

[Ghost in the Machine]

36. And a very Merry Christmas to you too, lonestarnot

:hug:


Peace within, Peace between, Peace among...

Ghost

[Enthusiast]

17. "A deluded citizenry can't effectively govern itself."

That is what they are counting on. This is the very purpose of Fox news.

[defendandprotect]

18. The very fact that anyone would watch Faux News or appear on it is evidence

of not only the gullibility of our citizens -- but the corruption of our government.

However, Gene Lyons .... ?

Wasn't he part of the NY Times scams during Clinton years -- Arkansas investigations?

Stuff that eventually led to things like Judith Miller?

[Moosepoop]

29. No

He was with Harper's Magazine at the time, and from there notably lambasted the NY Times' skewed reporting of the Whitewater investigations.

[defendandprotect]

31. Thank you .... apologies ... "Fools for Scandal" .....

Fools for Scandal: How the Media Invented Whitewater
by Gene Lyons, Harper's Magazine (With)


There were so many corrupt reporters going in and out of the NY Times over a dcade

and more that I unfortunately got him confused with them --


Thanks for the correction --


:)

[BrklynLiberal]

19. Fascism Anyone?

Are we still missing any, or have we totally fallen into the pit?

http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/britt_23_2.htm

<snip>

Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame for failures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and “terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating and disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America, officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils. Historical comparisons like these are just exercises in verbal gymnastics. Maybe, maybe not.

[snappyturtle]

68. We have fallen into the pit! nt

[fatbuckel]

21. I have already detached myself from potential dangers. Let the chips fall where they may.

[lunatica]

22. This is news that's at least 15 years late

The 1990s was the decade of the media honing their skills in abdicating real news for the more favorable scandal entertainment. Lorenna Bobbit, OJ's trial, Michael Jackson (twice), Lewingski, and any other distraction that came along. It was painfully obvious they'd abdicated on presenting any facts when they fell all over themselves trying to see who could kiss George Bush's ass more passionately when he started running for President.

If it weren't for the internet and forums like DU even those of us who actively seek the facts would be mired solidly in ignorance.

[SpiralHawk]

24. "Smirk." - Fox & RepubliCronies

[RC]

66. Fox even won the right to lie to us in court.

Fox News Logo Fox News even went to court and won the right to lie to their audience:
"During their appeal, Fox News asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves."
http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

[spanone]

25. it's a dilemma in a Democracy. a ministry of propaganda is a danger

[Uncle Joe]

26. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.

[keepCAblue]

27. The econonmy is NOT worsening? Really...could have fooled me.

Rising unemployment, increased foreclosures, high cost of gasoline, increased numbers of Americans without health insurance.

All I know is that my spouse and I are struggling, more than ever, to make ends meet.

I agree that all the other statements are "objectively false" but my own personal experience tells me that the economy is indeed worsening: It took a downward spiral during Bush Jr.'s reign of terror and continues to spiral out of control under Obama, at least for everyone except the wealthy Americans who just keep getting richer, while the poor get poorer.

[defendandprotect]

34. Obama stimulus response was only 25% of what was needed ... fading out ...

and no real remedy to what ails us -- corporatism -- crimes and corruption of

cap;italism -- Wall Street --

We need New Deal regulations to be applied at the least --

but better yet move on to democratic socialism --

[FogerRox]

28. thanks sis, KnR

[rosesaylavee]

30. If we don't get some semblance of an objective media back,

this democracy or what is passing for one will be more dictatorship than anything. And it's not just Fox/it's most of the media that relies on ads to survive. What bleeds/leads should not be acceptable any longer. Lost a long time friend this year who felt I was attacking her and her journalist friends by stating this very fact.

Journalists and others need to continue to speak out about the pressure they are under to inflate or distort the news.

[felix_numinous]

35. There needs to be a national movement to take down Fox propaganda.

Fox propaganda has artificially created, through misinformation and willful ignorance, extremist groups that are not only a domestic threat to the United States, but a danger overseas.

This is the first step in our emancipation from the corporations, take down their propaganda. It has to happen.

[prodigals0n]

37. There needs to be a national movement ot take down Rupert Murdoch and FOX

Take back all the exemptions Murdoch was given from owning multiple media outlets in the same markets. End Murdoch's reign or lies and end his corrosive influence.

[TBF]

39. K&R but it's not just FAUX news ... nt

[colsohlibgal]

40. Dumbing Down Full Speed Ahead.

Way too many people just accept what Rush or Hannity say without question. Way too many are much more interested in cheap reality TV. Way too many are like Britney Spears and jusy blindly go along with whoever is president.

Much of the media is doing the public a disservice to be sure. Distorting facts, having to show both sides of an issue even when one side is ridiculous. Just ignoring some stories altogether. In spite of this we as citizens have to accept responsibility for learning as much real truth as possible. We have to ask the tough questions that the media won't.

I hope we all wake up soon enough but in any event it will be a long hard road back to true democracy.

[geckosfeet]

41. Faux has corporate and 'individual' sponsers. Those are the real targets.

[StarburstClock]

42. Faux doesn't make people stupid, it keeps them stupid because they want stupidity

Faux is a propaganda and terrorist organization but that is exactly what the extremists in this country want. The danger isn't Faux and other front groups, it's the people who are dumb enough to believe blatant misinformation and lies.

[valerief]

43. But, but it can't happen here. Freedom. Liberty. The Constitution. Fer cryin' out loud, 9-11!!!

Of course, it is happening here, propaganda aside.

[rtassi]

44. Turn the TV off ... No really ... Turn the TV off! Your life will get better. n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

45. And yet, when I pointed out the problem of lying to the public, DU took Foxes side

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x8219921

[irislake]

46. Maybe but ---

FOX news may dominate in the US and how much worse is FOX than the entire MSM? And what about the internet, which didn't exist in Orwell's day? The rest of the world is not as deluded as are too many Americans. But there is no excuse for Americans not to know the truth since the world is a very very leaky place -- and not because of Wikileaks but Wikileaks helps even if it is a front for Mossad, the CIA and Pentagon or whatever.

What percentage of American believe FOX news? Those people would be dangerous anyway, FOX or no FOX. They are a very very scary bunch! They scare the whole world. They are the real "terrorists" in my opinion.

[indimuse]

47. KNR! n/t

[fascisthunter]

48. it's been obvious what their role has been - pure propaganda

and their calling for people to be killed should yank their fucking license. We don't need a network working for the greedy fascists, pitting American against American because of lies. If they were truths, that would make this different, but they aren't telling the truth.

[handmade34]

49. troublesome

http://www.outfoxed.org/

http://foxnewsboycott.com/

http://civic.moveon.org/fox//

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/10/17/the-o-garbage-factor.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/nov/12/fox-news-obama-administration

[Hamlette]

50. Not the first time, the south did this during the civil rights era

the local stations would not broadcast anything that showed blacks in a good light or the south in a bad light. Read The Race Beat and Freedom Summer. Its quite shocking how much propaganda the south spread until the north went down and observed what was happening.

Not saying what Fox is doing is not awful but there is an audience for it. The South.

They apparently want to be lied to.

[The_Commonist]

51. The Simpsons, Family Guy, American Idol...

...and the rest of Fox's entertainment programming is just as important a piece of the propaganda as the news division. If you watch that stuff, you are part of the problem. That's what pays for the news division.

Don't just boycott Fox News. Boycott all of News Corps' product.

Here's a little fun tidbit - Remember the "Ground Zero Mosque"?
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's book - "What's Right With Islam is What's Right With America" was published by HarperCollins - an imprint owned by News Corp. And of course, News Corp is 7% owned by the Saudi Royal Family.

We are ALL being played for suckers...

[leeroysphitz]

53. Great, another South bashing thread. n/t

[Vinnie From Indy]

54. Actually, we are in deep trouble not because of FOX News, but because

many leaders refuse to fight against FOX News in a coordinated and sustained manner. It is beyond incomprehensible to me that the Democratic Party has not declared all out war on Rupert Murdoch, Clear Channel and the rest.

The reason we should be worried is because our leaders do nothing to stop or impede the effectiveness of the likes of Fox News. If any reader had any doubts about the lack of understanding or resolve by our leaders in regard to this issue one need look no further than Rush Limbaugh on Armed Forces Radio Networks. His show was placed on the network BY THE GOP in the 1990s and he has remained there ever since. Why Democrats in Congress and the WHite House have not removed Limbaugh and replaced his show with another is a mystery. But, it is exactly things like Limbaugh being left alone to spew hate and lies at our troops on the AFN that is the problem. We should be worried because Democrats seem to have no fight them or they do not understand the issue.

[rhett o rick]

62. Our Democratic "representatives" did nothing to stop George Bush from

his illegal wars. They did nothing to stop his violations of the Constitution. Now they are in power, they are still doing nothing to undo the violations of the Constitution. Also, we still are involved in the Bush wars. Sounds like we are still using torture.

[Liberal_in_LA]

55. kick!!!!!!

[delightfulstar]

56. Faux News is scary stuff.

And what's scarier is that there are people who actually believe what Bill-O and his friends say! Murdoch's brash politics make the likes of Hearst and Guggenheim look like small-time stumpers. Free speech is one thing, but spreading lies and hate and propaganda crosses the line.

[nxylas]

57. Fox Noise worries me less than the rest of the corporate media

The propaganda is so blatant that anyone more intelligent than a Teabagger can see right through it. There are far more subtle distortions on CNN, the network news, most newspapers and even MSNBC when Olbermann and Maddow aren't on; distortions that slip below the radar because people think of those news outlets as being more reliable. These media outlets don't so much openly shill for the Republicans as impose a straitjacket on what is considered mainstream thought, so that opinions that are supported by a majority of Americans, such as support for single-payer healthcare, letting banks fail instead of bailing them out and ending the war in Afghanistan are dismissed as fringe left kookery, while the news is reported through the lens of the wealthiest 2% (e.g. reporting that the economy is in recovery because corporate profits are up, even if the unemployment rate remains static).

[meow mix]

58. paging robert jordan, please pick up the courtesy phone nt

[Knight Hawk]

61. Well

Most of the people who watch Fox News are simply being confirmed by Fox News in what they already believe or are inclined to believe.If Fox News shut down tomorrow these people would not all start reading The Nation ."Post hoc est non propter hoc' After this is not(necessarily ) on account of this.A rooster crows every morning before the sun comes up but he does not CAUSE the sun to come up.To even start to stop these people from having confirmed what thet already believe or want to believe ,you would have to shut down the entire right wing industry .Also for many of these blue collar middle class people THEIR economy IS worsening.Maybe my income taxes have not increased but in my county/state the following taxes/fees have increased in the last two years some drastically:gasoline taxes,toll roads,cigarette taxes,speeding tickets,vehicle registrations,parking tickets,fees for parks,fees for boat ramps,taxes on insurance ,real estate taxes .To the average joe out here its hard to sell him on global" warming" when last winter Florida had one of its coldest winters since they starting keeping records ,if not the coldest.I personally cannot find many intelligent ,well informed people,even "experts" who believe the economy will improve in 2011.Of course those who can make money by lying about the economy ,either optomistic or pessimistic ,are doing so.I doubt Joseph Stilitez sp? or Robert Reich are very optimistic about 2011 or beyond.

[Maineman]

63. FOX should be sued.

Conspiracy to misinform the public. There is clear evidence.

[RC]

67. Can't sue them. They won the right to lie to their audience in court.

It would get thrown out.

[David Zephyr]

64. K & 190th R

Fascinating article with historical perspective.

[struggle4progress]

65. Looking back on the Spanish War (George Orwell)

... Bullets hurt, corpses stink, men under fire are often so frightened that they wet their trousers ... As far as the mass of the people go, the extraordinary swings of opinion which occur nowadays, the emotions which can be turned on and off like a tap, are the result of newspaper and radio hypnosis ... Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those of his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence ... But unfortunately the truth about atrocities is far worse than that they are lied about and made into propaganda. The truth is that they happen ... I am willing to believe that history is for the most part inaccurate and biased, but what is peculiar to our own age is the abandonment of the idea that history could be truthfully written ... Who could have imagined twenty years ago that slavery would return to Europe? ... When I think of antiquity, the detail that frightens me is that those hundreds of millions of slaves on whose backs civilization rested generation after generation have left behind them no record whatever ... In the long run — it is important to remember that it is only in the long run — the working class remains the most reliable enemy of Fascism, simply because the working-class stands to gain most by a decent reconstruction of society ... The hatred which the Spanish Republic excited in millionaires, dukes, cardinals, play-boys, Blimps, and what-not would in itself be enough to show one how the land lay ...I myself believe, perhaps on insufficient grounds, that the common man will win his fight sooner or later, but I want it to be sooner and not later — some time within the next hundred years, say, and not some time within the next ten thousand years ... http://orwell.ru/library/essays/Spanish_War/english/esw_1

[DainBramaged]

69. FAUX is run by aliens, I am convinced of it