Glenn Greenwald Tweet -- Manning being TORTURED?

[Donnachaidh]

ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald
A major story brewing is the cruel, inhumane treatment - torture - to which Bradley Manning is being subjected: more to come shortly.


OMG.

[SpiralHawk]

1. Torture??? WTF?

What have the republicons started with their evil torture fetish?

Bottom of the pit shit.

[snot]

43. Manning is the US's only card: they probably have no legal charge against WL

unless they extract a "confession" from Manning that WL conspired or at least actively solicited him to leak the cables.

And once the US gets their hands on Assange, they can pre-occupy him/WL indefinitely with their investigation/prosecution (a la Clinton).

[Pavulon]

84. (1:51:25 PM) bradass87: i'd have to ask assange , Lets see how conspiracy works..

that is the angle. he will cooperate or he will suffer other consequences. Unlike most espionage cases the evidence of the crime is in the clear.

[TheMadMonk]

98. Assange has committed no fucking crime.

YOUR whole ruddy nation is corrupt from top to bottom and it is very clear from your many posts on the subject, that the black eye these leaks give America is of far greater concern to you, than the actual crimes committed in America's name.

Were you the same cheerleader for Bush that you have been for Obama as he continues AND EXPANDS on the policies of the previous administration?

[Pavulon]

107. Well That decleration sums it all up then..

if he conspired with manning during a crime that means he can stand trial here.

[Ellipsis]

115. Wikileaker in Solitary

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/12/wikileaker-in-solitary/68099/

[Pavulon]

118. And he will die that way. In florence co. if he is lucky

he should get the needle but will trade that to testify for the government.

[Ellipsis]

120. What alll the hubbub... bub. NPR weighs in.

The furor surrounding WikiLeaks' release of confidential United States government documents has focused reams of attention on transparency advocate Julian Assange. Largely lost amid all of the hubbub has been Bradley Manning, the Army private who allegedly provided the documents to WikiLeaks.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/12/15/132084808/is-solitary-confinement-a-form-of-torture-for-armys-alleged-wikileaks-source

[TheMadMonk]

128. And if the only "evidence" is a confession obtained under "enhanced...

...interrogation", as is being suggested in the OP, where do you stand?

You needn't bother actually. You have repeatedly made it abundantly clear that in your opinion the law and even millions of lives are very much secondary to America's black eye, and your nation's practice of operating without legal checks and ballances and without regard for international law.

[Pavulon]

133. boingboing tortured his ass...

to telling lamo how cool he was.

[n2doc]

2. If True, then we really didn't make any change in 2008

Same Shit, different president.

[GReedDiamond]

75. Not quite the same, as torturing an American military...

...serviceman/American citizen such as Manning brings it up to a new level of depravity...if this turns out to be true.

[MrMickeysMom]

77. We can still assassinate US citizens in foreign countries...

So, what's not to stay the same?

[Foo Fighter]

86. Well, that's been obvious since Obama started announcing his Cabinet picks.

It was obvious to some of us well before the so-called "primary wars" of 2008.

[Bandit]

3. It happened in the past so we must move forward

mushrooms clouds and everything...

[keepfreespeechalive]

51. I'm sorry, can you help me? I seem to have lost somthing of mine down the memory hole? n/t

[dkf]

4. What is there to get out of the guy?

He took everything he could get his hands on and gave it to wikileaks

[Democracyinkind]

7. Perhaps a ticking time bomb?

Or other baseless conservative fantasies?

Who knows.

[xchrom]

8. if only it were relagated to just conservative fantasies.

paranoia about control of information -- the single most important building block in an open democracy --
is increasingly shared by lots of people who in the past you might have thought as being on your side.

[Pavulon]

Testimony. He testafies and gets life or rufuses and is executed.

he dumped it all already, generally espionage trials like ames dont have death penalty because the want to limit distribution of information. Poor manning does not have that card.

so bradass87 can snitch or die, in the parlance of our times..

illegal treatment of him is pointless, he is already going to live a miserable life in prison, he just gets to decide if old age or the needle gets him.

no claims yet, just some tweets, that is fact now?

[MrMickeysMom]

76. Perhaps brain washing?

What, would we then be convinced that what he took part in was an evil terrorist plot?

[Pavulon]

79. no he confessed online , google bradass87

put himself behind bars for life with his chats. Maybe earned a death penalty.

[glinda]

88. Using the Scientology methods.

[glinda]

89. Dupe deleted

[glinda]

87. They can make him turn against Assange.....

[lamp_shade]

5. OMG. This is HUGE.

[LaurenG]

6. How disgusting. The United States of Torture. I so hope this isn't true

yet somehow I wouldn't put it past those in charge; those trying to protect themselves and their corporate masters. I'm really surpised he hasn't "suicided" himself yet. :eyes:

[vi5]

9. Impossible...

Obama banned torture. It's on "the list".

[mod mom]

16. must be allowed if administration members suffer embarrassment.

:mad:

[malaise]

10. This planet has gone mad

Promoting fear is all they have

[keepfreespeechalive]

53. This country has gone mad n/t

[glinda]

90. Yes. I have also thought so. I know so.

[Donnachaidh]

11. the un-reccers on this should be ashamed

Seriously, are you THAT sick that you'd cover up on this? Speaks volumes about our *American values*.

[xchrom]

14. recommend

[brooklynite]

20. Unrec'd

The OP offers no excerpt or citation. I can find nothing in Glenn Greewald's blog or in a news search.

You need a story before you can cover it up...

[Donnachaidh]

23. did you bother to READ it -- it's a tweet.

:wow:

[SDuderstadt]

24. Don't you just love DU's...

shoot-first, ask-questions-later brigade?

Too funny.

[lamp_shade]

25. Same old... same old

Yes. I'm enjoying watching to see where this goes.

[mmonk]

29. Try Twitter. I found it.

[sabrina 1]

54. Greenwald tweeted that last night.

Here's the link: http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/14668417931935745

[GentryDixon]

57. Agree.

We have become so gullible.

Unrec for lack of proof.

[sabrina 1]

63. Rec'd because when Greenwald says he has information,

he means it. Here is his tweet:

http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/14668417931935745

Btw, are you really saying that you do not believe the U.S. military would torture someone? Have you not read about the U.S. soldiers held right here in this country for refusing to go IRaq eg, and how they are treated?

It is a country now where it is far safer to assume that someone like Manning is being tortured than to have faith that this country will abide by the rule of law and treat him in a humanitarian way. That's just the way it is. Because we do not prosecute torturers in the U.S.

[SidDithers]

34. Unrec for complaining about unrec...

And because Greenwald is less than reliable and prone to hyperbole.

Sid

[catnhatnh]

44. Rec

to counter spurious unrec.

[SidDithers]

45. A spurious rec to counter a spurious unrec...

:rofl:

Sid

[glitch]

59. Just their "American" values.

I still think the base of every thread should list the names of reccers and unreccers. Why not? They can unrec without kicking but still be named. Surely they must be proud of their own opinions... no matter how creepy we find them.

[geek tragedy]

92. It's a freaking Tweet, not a Pulitzer-winning investigation. nt

[Odin2005]

12. Ugh!

:-(

[Pab Sungenis]

13. Torture against an American Citizen?

Is it against DU rules to say that if Obama authorized this then he SHOULD be impeached?

[mmonk]

30. I don't think so though there are probably some that would object.

[kgnu_fan]

15. torture ...

[TexasObserver]

17. Of course they're torturing him. It is now our way.

The Bush legacy is this - the widespread acceptance of torture as a tool our government uses to coerce cooperation, to force self incrimination, and just to be mean and nasty as a matter of course.

Unfortunately, the Obama legacy in this regard will be that he lacked the courage and commitment to stop it, weakly continuing the practices.

[merh]

27. Actually, it was Clinton who began the extraordinary rendition

program, you know - "snatch them up and ship them out to nations who torture" program. GWB just expanded upon the evil used before him.

[glitch]

60. Indeed. Not that there wasn't plenty of torture under Bush I. School of Americas.

And lets not forget Nixon and Kissinger and Pinochet's Chile.

But this new generation I refer to as Obubya (Clinton is in there as Bubba).

[Raksha]

47. AND to terrify the rest of us into silence and acquiescence. Don't forget THAT!

Re "The Bush legacy is this - the widespread acceptance of torture as a tool our government uses to coerce cooperation, to force self incrimination, and just to be mean and nasty as a matter of course."

I read somewhere a few years back that "torture is always public" for precisely that reason. Somehow, the reality of a policy of torture always manages to get leaked, and when it does the so-called "leaders" are belligerent and defensive about it (i.e. Bush and Cheney), but they don't deny it.

[glitch]

61. Naomi Klein talked about how the Argentinians learned that the point of torture was intimidation

of the whole population.

[Raksha]

132. Right - that was what I was referring to, although I forgot the specific example.

Thanks for reminding me. Intimidation of the whole population...EXACTLY!

My daughter reminded me today in a phone conversation that police brutality serves the same purpose at mass demonstrations here in the U.S. She knows what she's talking about too--her boyfriend was badly injured and could have been killed by a taser at RNC 2008, and both of them were arrested on trumped-up charges.

[glitch]

137. Kudos to your daughter and her boyfriend. You must be very proud.

I know I would be! :hi:

[Doctor_J]

18. Do you have a link to Greenwald's coverage?

:shrug:

[Donnachaidh]

19. he hasn't got a piece YET

The tweet says it will be coming.

[mod mom]

26. Someone in the press corpse needs to ask the president if he knows anything

about this .

[Pavulon]

72. Yes sir Mr Pres. , AP, is the person responsible for the largest espionage case in history

being treated nice and getting turn down service? I mean I read a tweet that he was being tortured, no sir, o dont really have any fact, yes sir, i am a doofus.

[mmonk]

21. Would that finally wake Americans up?

[lamp_shade]

22. This is all I could find > > From December 7th

http://stumplane.us/2010/12/07/bradley-manning-is-being-tortured/

[mmonk]

28. Good find.

[ProSense]

32. If this is what Greenwald's claim is based on

he's an irresponsible clown.

Then again, he's having a public fight with CREW and some of his tweets make him look more like an disturbed attention seeker.

Seriously, tweeting about someone being tortured based on a blog post about solitary confinement?

[starroute]

35. Why are you going out of your way to bash Greenwald?

Suggesting that a solitary blog post about Manning being held in solitary confinement isn't evidence of torture is one thing. But going on from there to call Greenwald a "disturbed attention seeker" seems like getting into shoot-the-messenger territory.

[ProSense]

36. Out of my way?

Is he above criticism? I think a lot of his arguments are bogus.

[Ramulux]

55. Name one

[lamp_shade]

38. And will ya just lookit the "buyer's market" here?

[sabrina 1]

56. Greenwald is a far more respected source than

just about any of our media puppets. He's been proven right over and over again. If he says he's got good information on something, then he has as always.

But aside from that, most of us assumed that he AND assange would be tortured if they were to get into the hands of the U.S. For that reason, neither Sweden nor Britain will be able to hand over Assange as human rights groups around the world will be fighting to keep him out of the hands of a country where torture is a policy.

It's shameful that anyone would in any way try to defend those policies, or not hold those responsible accountable. We are now in the same league as Saudi Arabia, a country to which no civilized nation would hand over anyone.

The fact that Manning is being held with no access to the media or to anyone, is enough to arouse suspicions about a country that sees nothing wrong with torture.

This president needs to have the courage to issue an order that Manning be treated in accordance with the rule of law. But we all know that is not going to happen. There was a time when I would have expected it of him, but no anymore.

[glitch]

62. The failure to restore Habeas Corpus is the most egregious indictment of the current administration.

There is no way around it, no way to spin it.

[sabrina 1]

99. I couldn't agree more. There has not even been any effort to do so.

There was actually more of an effort during the Bush Administration by Democrats. Now, they all seem to be silent on the issue.

[ThomCat]

82. You are being obviously partisan.

You never, ever post anything that isn't cheering for this administration, or attacking anyone who dares to contradict this administration in even the slightest way.

You are both obvious and predictable.

[truth2power]

131. Yep.

[hootinholler]

31. I was wondering if it was Peyton or Eli

But who is Bradley?

-Hoot

[starroute]

33. This may be getting raised as an argument against extraditing Assange

Which is not to say it may not be true -- but I think it's significant that one grounds for refusing extradition is that the person is likely to be subject to torture or mistreatment by the requesting nation. So any information on how Manning is being treated would be significant as Assange fights any extradition from the UK that could wind up -- either directly or eventually -- with him in US hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition

Most countries require themselves to deny extradition requests if, in the government's opinion, the suspect is sought for a political crime. Many countries and areas, such as Canada, Macao, Mexico, and most European nations, will not allow extradition if the death penalty may be imposed on the suspect unless they are assured that the death sentence will not be passed or carried out. ... Parties to the European Convention also cannot extradite people where they would be at significant risk of being tortured inhumanely or degradingly treated or punished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_3_of_the_European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights prohibits torture, and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". There are no exceptions or limitations on this right.

This provision usually applies, apart from torture, to cases of severe police violence and poor conditions in detention. The European Court of Human Rights has further held that this provision prohibits the extradition of a person to a foreign state if they are likely to be subjected there to torture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998

The Human Rights Act 1998 c.42 is an Act of Parliament of the United Kingdom which received Royal Assent on 9 November 1998, and mostly came into force on 2 October 2000. Its aim is to "give further effect" in UK law to the rights contained in the European Convention on Human Rights. . . .

[mmonk]

40. Could be.

Of course, kangaroo courts and bogus legal prosecutions (such as in our tribunals) aren't internationally recognized either.

[Ikonoklast]

37. Unrec.

No factual evidence to back up assertation, pure speculation.

Makes people here look like loons.

[mmonk]

41. The op was mentioning a tweet.

That tweet is supposedly to be followed with a story. Then we will know either way. Should no one mention such a tweet?

[rpannier]

96. It's acceptable to mention a tweet

But the speed at which it rec'd I find interesting
It's a tweet with a few vague pieces of information
When the story comes out then I'd be willing to consider a recommend

I realize I'm not the person you responded to, but I'm just kicking in my opinion

[pacalo]

39. I'm not surprised -- I've been thinking that it was probably happening.

I wonder if Assange fared any better. He's supposed to appear in the British court soon; we'll find out about his condition.

[ipaint]

42. Assange was just granted bail per greenwald tweet. nt

[Raksha]

46. OMG...this can't be true. This better NOT be true!

But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it is. What is this country anyway? The United States of America? I don't recognize this country any more.

[glinda]

91. Just why do you think no one has seen this man huh? Torturing him into a new story.

[TorchTheWitch]

93. who says no one has???

To claim he's being tortured because he's not been in the media spotlight is ludicrous. He's in PRISON. A tightly secured military prison. He has access to his family and his attorneys and whoever the people are that are fundraising for him to pay his legal expenses since Wikileaks left him in the learch... even though they specifically collected money for him on the Wikileaks site, not one cent of it has been turned over while all requests for an explanation have been ignored.

His own family, attorneys and financial supporters say not one word anywhere about any torture yet people here go apeshit about some demented tweet from a journalist with absolutely nothing to back it up.

If anyone is so concerned about Manning then why aren't they demanding from Wikileaks WHERE IS THE MONEY YOU COLLECTED FOR HIM???

[chimpymustgo]

48. K&R. THese people are out of control.

[SidDithers]

49. Has Greenwald posted his story confirming this yet?...nt

Sid

[PufPuf23]

50. "We" should not have to consider whether or not torture of Manning is true.

The very idea that there is a posssibility and that there are those at DU who would shoot the messenger is surreal in a democracy of laws.

Unfortunately that is not reality.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

52. This is the same administration that authorized the assassination of a US citizen

Explain to me why an administration capable of THAT is not capable of torture. Why
are we surprised at anything that comes out any longer? This all needs to be confirmed
but to act as if it's totally out of the realm of possibility is naive at best.



"The Obama administration has taken the extraordinary step of authorizing the targeted killing of an American citizen, the radical Muslim cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who is believed to have shifted from encouraging attacks on the United States to directly participating in them, intelligence and counterterrorism officials said Tuesday. . . ."

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

[coalition_unwilling]

80. Torture is as American as cherry pie (with apologies to H. Rap Brown) - n/t

[fascisthunter]

58. I Wouldn't Be Surprised

[SidDithers]

64. Any confirmation yet?...

It's been, what, 12 hours?. Surely he must have confirmation on such an earth-shattering story by now.

Sid

[Ellipsis]

65. From what I read in some of Greenwalds tweets...

It could be anything from Isolation to mefloquine in his oatmeal... who knows but it sounded more like his GUARDS are fucking with him not that there's any covert organized effort to actively torture him by the "Homeland".

[Gaedel]

67. Isolation

Is he in isolation to torture him or is he in isolation to protect him from the general population?

[Ellipsis]

69. Who knows if he's even in isolation. That's not what I said.

It's more like the Stanford prison experiment combined with Maslovs Hierarchy of needs.



The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted from Aug. 14-20, 1971 by a team of researchers led by Psychology professor Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Twenty-four students were selected out of 75 to play the prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. Roles were assigned randomly. The participants adapted to their roles well beyond what even Zimbardo himself expected, leading the "Officers" to display authoritarian measures and ultimately to subject some of the prisoners to torture. In turn, many of the prisoners developed passive attitudes and accepted physical abuse, and, at the request of the guards, readily inflicted punishment on other prisoners who attempted to stop it. The experiment even affected Zimbardo himself, who, in his capacity as "Prison Superintendent," lost sight of his role as psychologist and permitted the abuse to continue as though it were a real prison. Five of the prisoners were upset enough by the process to quit the experiment early, and the entire experiment was abruptly stopped after only six days.

[Pavulon]

73. Guess bradass87 did not read that study before confessing

to espionage in public.

[Ellipsis]

74. Guess it's not the guards job to administer justice because of a lack of discipline

... and maybe they aren't... perhaps we should just see if brings out an article and what it says.


I'm not protecting the guy. I only point out that our society and many in it have become more fucked up by a particular tack some people take by applauding and encouraging breaking the law as form of patriotism ... when their actions are completely opposite what the founding fathers of this country had in mind when came to individual rights.


I will say this... this bullshit vigilantism that seemed to be encouraged in the previous administration and this fucked strategy of polarization will effect us for generations.

But have at it bub.

[Pavulon]

78. Based on some dudes tweet? is there even copy on this yet?

come on this is a shit source, makes commondreams look like reuters. If someone broke the rules they should be punished, could mess up the case against manning and assange.

[Ellipsis]

81. Some Greenwald Tweets

# reasonable - part of it is just anger over what's being done to him - but you'll see when it's published - won't be long. about 6 hours ago via web in reply to Semishark

# You're wrong about the impact of the tweet - it caused phone calls to them - if you want to say it'd be better to wait, that's... about 6 hours ago via web in reply to Semishark

# I have the evidence - all I need - just waiting for a couple comments from people who should comment before it's written. about 6 hours ago via web in reply to Semishark

# Because I wanted the Marine jailers to know it's known, they're being watched, and a story is coming - to pressure them to stop about 6 hours ago via web in reply to Semishark

# I said it's coming soon. It was a preview. And it is: very soon. I have the clear basis for saying it, as you will see.


Greenwald ain't no putz...

Glenn Greenwald (born 6 March 1967) is a US lawyer, columnist, blogger, and author. Greenwald worked as a constitutional and civil rights litigator prior to becoming a contributor (columnist and blogger) to Salon.com, where he focuses on political and legal topics. He has also contributed to other newspapers and political news magazines, including The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The American Conservative, The National Interest, and In These Times.

Greenwald is the author of three books: How Would a Patriot Act? (2006) and A Tragic Legacy (2007), both New York Times bestsellers; and Great American Hypocrites (2008).


How many New York Times Best Sellers do you have?

[Pavulon]

83. As many lines of G-code as he has written

whats your point? manning is a traitor. he admitted it online. He will either die in prison an old man or die from lethal injection. breadass87 confessed.

His agenda does not change mannings position. He can either name names and facts or not, his call.

Empty claim until backed.

[Ellipsis]

85. Got a linkie to that?

I guess my point is you don't offer much in the form of credibility. Because of your need to disparage Greenwald.

G-code? Pardon my naivety, but I don't think he's programming Allen Bradley boxes....

[Pavulon]

94. Did the facts ever materialize here? did they put bradass87 on the rack?(nt)

[Capitalocracy]

97. Step 1. Deny, deny, deny.

When it is proven, then comes the justification. See you then.

[Pavulon]

108. Sooo. did the facts ever materialize here?(nt)

[Ellipsis]

111. They did... welcome back.

[Ellipsis]

112. Bradley Manning, WikiLeaks Leaker, Tortured By U.S.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/41045/bradley-manning-wikileaks-leaker-tortured-by-u-s/

[Pavulon]

114. Haha, good what a joke. No sheets to hang himself with and solitary.

he better get used to that. He will die in florence ADX living the rest of his life without direct sunlight or verbal contact with anyone other than guards.

solitary confinement is recognized as difficult to withstand...


fucking riot.

[Ellipsis]

122. Black America weighs in - The Inhumane Detention Of WikiLeaks Leaker Bradley Manning

Virginia — Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of that crime, nor of any other crime.


http://newsone.com/world/newsonestaff2/bradley-manning-wikileaks-detention-prison/

[Pavulon]

124. Dont worry, bradass will be spending lots of time in prison

after he is convicted, you can read his confession online..

[Capitalocracy]

127. Try it

See how you like it.

Extended solitary confinement is considered torture in civilized countries. The only way they can get away with it is claiming he's too much of a risk to place in the general populace, and that he's a suicide risk. Which is a bit of a stretch in and of itself, and doesn't explain why he's not allowed to watch the news.

But you know that. From your tone it's clear that you want him to suffer. It's too bad they have to come up with excuses like that, isn't it? They should just be able to torture him for no reason.

[Pavulon]

134. yeppers bradass gets to serve time like the unibomber and pollard

those are the breaks.

[Ellipsis]

119. Here's the Slatetest

Is Bradley Manning Being Tortured?

Does prolonged solitary confinement constitute torture? If it does, the United States has been torturing an American citizen for the last seven months, even though he hasn't been charged with a crime. That's what Glenn Greenwald argues in a piece for Salon, reporting that since accused WikiLeaks leaker Bradley Manning was arrested in June, he's been considered a "Maximum Custody Detainee." He spends 23 hours a day alone in his cell, where he's forbidden to exercise and is denied "many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment," including a pillow or sheets. He receives a daily dose of antidepressants from the doctor at the Quantico, Va., brig where he is being held. While no one contends that Manning has been physically harmed during his imprisonment, Greenwald points out that last year The New Yorker's Atul Gawande, a surgeon and Slate contributor, wrote that "all human beings experience isolation as torture." Earlier this year, The Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law said, "psychological stressors such as isolation can be as clinically distressing as physical torture." Manning, Greenwald says, is experiencing "inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colo.: all without so much as having been convicted of anything."

http://slatest.slate.com/id/2278151/

[Pavulon]

121. Boy, he has lots of that to look forward to. Florence

or Leavenworth both suck.

[Ellipsis]

123. Even the geeks... Tech dirt- weighs in

US Is Apparently Torturing Bradley Manning, Despite No Trial And No Conviction


from the this-is-not-the-america-we-were-told-about dept

While there's been a ton of attention paid to Julian Assange's arrest and situation, much less attention has been paid to Bradley Manning, the Army Private who has been accused of being the source of many of Wikileaks' more recent leaks concerning the US government and military. It seemed like a reasonable question to ask, upon his arrest, whether or not he was simply whistleblowing or breaking the law. Certainly this is a question that is open for debate. What is pretty clear is that his intentions were absolutely to be a whistleblower.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101215/09551812291/us-is-apparently-torturing-bradley-manning-despite-no-trial-no-conviction.shtml


"Tis going Viral...

[Pavulon]

125. It can go ebola, no one cares. he admitted to what he did and will be convicted

his motives are irrelevant. he will die behind bars, bet on it. he admitted it online google bradass87, read, he is done.

[Ellipsis]

126. It's not about what he did... it's about the treatment he's getting... of course you know that.

I had no clue who this guy was when this was first posted. As to his guilt neither you or I will decide it. Nor do I have an opinion on it.

But to his treatment you bet, and as it appears now so does the world... and it is being discussed.

Thanks for the "kicks" and that whole "top of awareness thing."

Later gator

[Ellipsis]

68. .

[krabigirl]

66. Sick, just sick. Whatever his "crime," torture is a worse crime!

[Capitalocracy]

130. I would contend no crime was committed.

Crimes were uncovered. As a U.S. soldier who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, he's just doing his job. I would think in a functioning democracy it would be easier to convict the soldiers who read this material and didn't say anything than it would be to convict Manning.

Unfortunately that's not the world we live in.

[Pavulon]

70. Making his listen to gaga is not torture.

making him decide to testify about his conspiracy with assange and die in florence or not testify and die from the needle is not torture.

Manning is filth, and treating him illegally would prevent him receiving the punishment he deserves.

bradass87 is going to be a federal witness, watch and see.

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[maddezmom]

95. The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention~ Greenwald

Bradley Manning, the 22-year-old U.S. Army Private accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of that crime, nor of any other crime. Despite that, he has been detained at the U.S. Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia for five months -- and for two months before that in a military jail in Kuwait -- under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture. Interviews with several people directly familiar with the conditions of Manning's detention, ultimately including a Quantico brig official (Lt. Brian Villiard) who confirmed much of what they conveyed, establishes that the accused leaker is subjected to detention conditions likely to create long-term psychological injuries.

Since his arrest in May, Manning has been a model detainee, without any episodes of violence or disciplinary problems. He nonetheless was declared from the start to be a "Maximum Custody Detainee," the highest and most repressive level of military detention, which then became the basis for the series of inhumane measures imposed on him.

From the beginning of his detention, Manning has been held in intensive solitary confinement. For 23 out of 24 hours every day -- for seven straight months and counting -- he sits completely alone in his cell. Even inside his cell, his activities are heavily restricted; he's barred even from exercising and is under constant surveillance to enforce those restrictions. For reasons that appear completely punitive, he's being denied many of the most basic attributes of civilized imprisonment, including even a pillow or sheets for his bed (he is not and never has been on suicide watch). For the one hour per day when he is freed from this isolation, he is barred from accessing any news or current events programs. Lt. Villiard protested that the conditions are not "like jail movies where someone gets thrown into the hole," but confirmed that he is in solitary confinement, isolated entirely alone in his cell except for the one hour per day he is taken out.

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

more;http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/

[Pavulon]

117. Funny they mention Florence, that is where bradass will live out his life..

should have thought that whole espionage thing through.

[The Midway Rebel]

100. America has a history of torturing political prisoners.

I suppose it is is easy for US to do when so many of our citizens think it is a good idea as indicated by the opinions expressed in this thread.

[newspeak]

101. If these leaks expose corporate corruption or government corruption

it's treason? I'll tell you what I think treason is, individuals inside the government blowing the cover off of a CIA front that monitors WMD for their own personal gain or furthering their agenda. Now that's treason in my book. dismantling a network that's tracking WMD, maybe so you can make your own shite up. Do I believe Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings was outed just to get back at her husband? Not one bit. All I have to do is look at that grand PNAC plan--total domination of an area, but not bringing democracy. Those involved would deal or install any petty cruel dictator if they cooperated with their grand plans, especially their corporate plans.

So, if this 22 year old young man is receiving cruel and inhumane treatment, maybe Americans better get their head out of their arse--any whistleblower is fair game. And, the more corrupt our government becomes, the more they wheel and deal with their greedy friends, and the more they ignore the rule of law--the more we will all suffer!

[PBS Poll-435]

102. LOL

77 Recs!




:rofl:

[EFerrari]

103. Did you read Glenn's article?

[PBS Poll-435]

104. Nah

Mr. Greenwald has NO credibility except with a certain slice of the pie...

[EFerrari]

105. Like CBS? They've picked it up. n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

106. Good for them!

Ok...

[crazyjoe]

109. wow, a tweet??? it must be true!! LOL

[EFerrari]

110. The story is being picked up now, CBS, NY Magazine, Business Insider

Atlantic Wire.

[Pavulon]

116. Bradass86 better get used to solitary. That is how time is served for people like him

he will live his life out in solitary in Florence or Leavenworth.

[crazyjoe]

135. strange, i can't find it anywhere :-)

[EFerrari]

136. Here:

Report: Bradley Manning, Alleged WikiLeaks Source, in Solitary Confinement
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20025724-503543.html

The US Army's Treatment Of Alleged WikiLeaker Bradley Manning Is A Disgrace

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-armys-treatment-of-wikileaker-bradley-manning-is-a-disgrace-2010-12?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Falleyinsider%2Fsilicon_alley_insider+%28Silicon+Alley+Insider%29#ixzz1gidjuKwf

WikiLeaks: Is Bradley Manning being tortured?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20101216/cm_theweek/210406_20101216110000

WikiLeaks source held in solitary confinement for seven months
http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/wikileaks-source-held-solitary-confinement-seven-months

Supposed WikiLeaks Source in Solitary Confinement: Is It Torture?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Supposed-WikiLeaks-Source-in-Solitary-Confinement-Is-It-Torture-6204

[crazyjoe]

138. ya this story is really blowin up!! NOT

[madokie]

113. I doubt that solitary confinement equals torture

In the sense of torture like waterboarding, pulling ones fingernails out etc.
Methinks Greenwald just wants to stir some shit, actually

[Capitalocracy]

129. Extensive solitary confinement is considered torture.

Waterboarding is one of the most egregious examples, but much of the torture suffered in Gitmo is used in our supermax facilities, extended solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, stress positions (which induce self-inflicted pain, causing feelings of guilt in the prisoner. It's a psychological torture technique). Just google solitary confinement and in five minutes you'll figure out that it's torture over long periods of time. Solitary confinement isn't supposed to be used for more than a couple of days.

[duhneece]

139. To write support ltr TO B Manning

http://www.bradleymanning.org/
Letters and postcards to:

Bradley Manning
c/o Courage to Resist
484 Lake Park Ave #41
Oakland CA 94610
USA

Letters will be opened, "contraband" discarded and then mailed weekly to Bradley via someone on his approved correspondence list.

I'm arrogant and naive enough to dream that a letter I write MIGHT make it into his hands and I can only imagine how alone he must feel and I want to let him know it should not be against the law to reveal war crimes. I want him to know he's not alone.