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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:33 AM Original message |
Can we all agree now that Obama's failure to go to WI, was a failure? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. No. This is the people's fight. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. You don't have it. We lost. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Watch what happens in the next few weeks. This isn't over. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I believe you are right- |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
66. The battles of labor are NOT won or fought in a single battle |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
86. False. This is nowhere near over. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
103. wrong. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
16. Nope. This thing is grassroots. People power. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. More power to you PeaceNikki you have a great attitude |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. He doesn't stand with the people. He stays in Washington with the corporate money. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. The Unions are his NO. 1 Supporter in Elections! Refute that! nt |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Possibly that "are" may change to "were" if the unions are bust. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. That does not refute the fact that Obama is with the Unions, that is the point nt |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
122. Those comfortable shoes are still in a closet someplace. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
79. That IS the GOP plan and welcome to DU |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
123. Missed by accident or on purpose? |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. his total lack of support of the Wis workers proves he no longer believes that |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
96. The unions are the #1 supporter of anyone on the (D) ticket. The DNC could nominate my cup of coffee |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
63. Yet he would hold a beer summit for something far less? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Who cares? We don't want or need him here. He will distract from the message. |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
124. Keep on repeating that mantra, dawg. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-11-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. "Dawg"? |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
105. This is the People's Eyebrow |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. lolz |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
125. +1... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. His silence is deafening, his inaction, condemning, n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I disagree. I'm directly involved in the WI events and I don't want him any more involved than he's |
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larkrake (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
28. you are wrong |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. No. "We" cannot "all" agree on that... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Well, I agree he is on our side internally. But maybe needs to be more vocal about it... |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Internally, he is for a Public Option. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. No |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Is he really that ineffectual? I think he can still do a great deal of good, if he wants to. |
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Ninga (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The way I read your answer is akin to thinking it makes sense to not visit a dying |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
73. What happened would have happened. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
6. It would not have made a difference. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
23. How bout Obama pulling the Federal funds for the state - I think that would have stopped him! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Presidents can unilaterally withold funds from states? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
102. That's called "impoundment," and was ruled unconstitutional by the USSC in 1975. n/t. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. There is no way that would even be legal. Get a grip. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
82. WI voters would have loved that. |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
104. See #102 - I replied to the wrong poster. n/t. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
30. The opposite of failure |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Hopefully the outrage will ensure that |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
7. The President isn't on anyone's side |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. +1 |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Except his own...nt |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
68. that's what i like about him. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
106. Sooner or later - everone chooses a side. |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. Time to throw comfortable shoes at him |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
9. No. He couldn't have changed the dynamic. The Republicans still had the same number of votes they do |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. Is he really that ineffectual? |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. LOL. The Republicans had the votes. The only way to change that FACT is to get Republicans to vote |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Again - are you in WI? Have you been to Madison? |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
11. I agree... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. Unrec, absolutely not. With his obvious anti-labor views he should be nowhere |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. Please put links that show Obama is anti-Labor nt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. you'll be waiting a long time.... |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
94. NYT this week - Obama administration refers to protests as "distraction" - |
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SalviaBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
17. No |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. No. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
20. Not at all. This is a state issue, not a federal one. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Workers rights are not a state issue - they are a national and international issue. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Well, you've thrown the towel in and called it a loss so I will take your opinion |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
71. This is a state specific issue, the federal government has no part in the discussion |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
21. If he went, he would probably get all reachy outy with Scott Walker |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
32. nope- |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
34. Nope--partisanship would kill this thing. We, the People, are winning--we just |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I think it is highly partisan already, the Repubs introduced the legislation, the Dems blocked it. |
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greendog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
35. He's not a fighter. For him to change now wouldn't make any sense. |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. That is pathetic. |
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flamingdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't hear the Unions bitching about Obama, the Unions and Obama are together on this nt |
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jaxx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Exactly. The unions know he supports them. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
119. How, by passing tax cuts for the rich instead of EFCA? |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
89. How can we talk like that? |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
109. Democrats aren't. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
59. Well, he did fight passionately for the bank bailouts |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Bank bailouts were a federal issue, not a state one. n/t |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
38. The last thing people in Wisconsin need is an Obama vs Scott Media Masturbation Fest |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Do you think the current strategy will lead to our victory? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Are you in WI? |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Some people want to treat this as another excuse to bash the President instead of focusing on |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Well, as a WI resident, *I* see this an an AMAZING proof that Democrats *do* have spine. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. I'm glad that the 14 Dems NEVER gave in. They never came back which was what I was worried would |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. 1 (R) was sane, but we needed 3. |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
43. YES! nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
49. I can understand his not going to WI at this point |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
81. He could have done a lot to frame this in the media. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. We won the media/PR war. All the polling showed both in Wisconsin & in the US that people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. This is happening in many states, not only in WI. |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
50. No |
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whattheidonot (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
52. new leadership. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
55. Well, he has a tight schedule. Meetings with business leaders and the chamber of commerce, etc. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
56. No. |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
57. I am reminded of the term 'Being late to one's funeral.' |
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kiranon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
58. No. n/t |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
60. I have to agree with the people that say he should keep out |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
61. I don't think he needs to go to WI but I do want him to speak out strongly. |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
67. would have done what? |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
72. I think this presidency is a failure on many levels. WI is just the latest disaster. |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. NOPE |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
78. It's a win. It's a win for the people and policies Obama suppports and believes in. |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. I'm not sure that it was his role to play. It's the peoples' movement. |
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stranger81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
87. While I agree we all should understand this is a failure, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
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itsrobert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
90. The people have to do it. Obama didn't go to Egypt |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
91. nope. next? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. For the third time - are you in Wisconsin? You don't seem to have a good grasp on the events here. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
95. F NO! And, he should mind his own business. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Your being sarcastic, I hope! |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
97. No, because: |
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Shiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
98. As PeaceNikki has asked, are you in Wisconsin? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
112. Thanks, still no answer on that. My guess is no. |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
99. Us electing Obama in the first place was the failure |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
101. Republicons play by their own rules, which means, there are no rules, laws or Constitution |
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fittosurvive (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
107. It would not have been good for him to be on the losing side of this. |
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footinmouth (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
108. I'm not in Wisconsin |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Yes. This. |
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footinmouth (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. One more point |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Thanks, footinmouth. Your support from afar and spreading the word |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
113. I'm beginning to think Obama is just, well, irrelevant. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
116. No, I will not agree with that. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
117. I don't think it was a failure, unless you think he is on the side |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
118. No - we cannot all agree on that |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
120. He was busy walking with Jeb Bush and praising him as an education reformer |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-10-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
121. BULLSHIT...I DISAGREE,,,,, |
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