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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:06 PM
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Then They Came for the Trade Unionists
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 04:53 PM by WilliamPitt


(Image: Lance Page / t r u t h o u t; Adapted: Megan McCormick / Flickr)

Then They Came for the Trade Unionists
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

Thursday 10 March 2011

On this day, it behooves us to remember the words of Martin Niemoller.

"First they came for the communists," he wrote, "and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me."

I am a trade unionist, and yesterday in Wisconsin, they came for me. They came for you. They came for every working person in America, and their intent could not be more clear. Governor Scott Walker, along with the Koch Brothers and the right-wing radicals of the Republican Party, moved in darkness and with shameless deceit to gut the ability of dedicated laborers to bargain on an equal footing for the right to earn a living wage and to have access to decent health care.

Among other things, the bill as passed allows the state to fire anyone who participates in a strike. The story of the 20th century was written by workers who dared to face the truncheon in order to fight for their basic rights, and the strike was integral to that struggle. Any Wisconsin worker who dares to stand in defiance of The Bosses now faces personal annihilation, not just for themselves, but for their family. America was made in the struggle of union workers standing shoulder to shoulder in defiance of the idea that being rich means being right. That struggle is now in mortal peril, and the outcome affects all of us.

Fairness and the rule of law had no place in Wednesday's filthy action. This move was done in secret, without notice or announcement as required by Wisconsin law, and bears the stamp of the cowards and cretins who are responsible. Similar anti-worker legislation has been unfolding in Ohio, Indiana, Florida and more than a dozen other states. Those responsible claim such actions are necessary because of economic concerns, but the Wisconsin perpetrators tipped their hand. They stripped the bill in question of anything having to do with the state budget, so as to give them the chance to vote without a quorum...but the entire premise of their anti-union attack was that the destruction of collective bargaining was needed to salvage the state's financial situation. By gutting the bill of any semblance of budgetary issues, all they were left with is what they were after in the first place: the end of collective bargaining, the end of unions altogether, and by proxy, the end of the Democratic Party.

Eric Kleefeld, the excellent reporter for TalkingPointsMemo, and a Wisconsin native, exposed the endgame thusly:

The Democratic Party in Wisconsin is, to an extent that is not true in most other states, a genuine labor party -- a party that is intertwined with unions at the institutional level, with many politicians who have also been union officials or done legal work with unions, and which speaks for organized labor in key debates. They in turn compete with the Republican Party, which represents business interests as embodied by the state's Chamber group, Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce, in what has until now been a sometimes uneasy but nevertheless predictable political system.

In short, unions in Wisconsin are not just economic organizations made up of their respective workers - they are political institutions that are a major part of the state. As such, a change to the state's union laws that would threaten the existence of organized labor would in turn threaten the existence of the Democratic Party itself in Wisconsin, as people have known it for over half a century -- something that state Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) may have accidentally alluded to earlier today.

On top of that, the class consciousness was especially ignited by Walker's phone call two weeks ago with blogger Ian Murphy, who was posing as Republican financier David Koch. During that call, Walker discussed his ideas for tricking the Democrats into coming back by pretending to negotiate, his ambition to bust the public employee unions in the mold of President Reagan firing the air traffic controllers, and that he had considered (but ruled out) planting troublemakers in the crowds of protesters. But beyond the specifics, the optics alone were amazing: The state's governor was seen buddying up to someone he believed to be a mega-rich donor from out of state.


Say what you will about the Democratic Party. For my part, I can say plenty, especially about President Obama's total absence during the three weeks this struggle has been going on, and about the White House's angry insistence that the fight in Wisconsin is merely "a distraction."

All Party nonsense aside, this is about a governor attacking people who work for a living, because they have the gall to believe standing together to fight for simple things like fair wages and basic health care is more important than a failing governor's ego or political aspirations.

The fact of the matter is that Governor Walker has unleashed a frontal assault on working people in his state because wealthy corporatists believe "Because I Say So" is enough. Make no mistake, friends. This is class warfare. It is brazen, unmistakable, and now out in the open. They have so much, but they want more. It has been made all too clear that they will gut your life, your rights, your everything, in order to get what they want, and what they want is absolute and total control.

Mr. Niemoller wrote his poem decades ago. It might read like this today:

First they declared corporations were "people," and I didn't complain because I'm already a person.

Then they made unlimited money "speech," and I didn't complain because the American Dream says I'll be rich someday, too.

Then they commandeered the means of production by shipping our greatest strength - manufacturing - overseas, because they don't have bothersome unions over there, and I didn't complain because WalMart has cheap stuff.

Then they bought Congress so they could write the laws, and I didn't complain because I can’t be bothered to vote.

Then they bought the Supreme Court so they could cement their rule, and I didn't complain because I don't have time to pay attention.

Then they bought the news so they could convince everyone it's always been this way, and I didn't complain because it's always been this way.

Then they manhandled an election and I didn't complain because I'm not from Florida.

Then they lied us into wars and I didn't complain because I'm not a soldier, or an Iraqi, or an Afghani.

Then millions died for profit and I didn't complain because the graphics on the news were totally awesome.

Then they started locking people up because they said they could and I didn't complain because nobody locked me up.

Then they started spying on everyone because they said they could and I didn't complain because I'm a real American.

Then they came for the worker, but thanks to supply-side trickle-down economics, I don't have a job.


This truth is self-evident.

They are coming for you, and they are relentless.

Stand up.

For your country, for your family, for yourself.

Stand up.

Be heard.

Strike!

Go.

http://www.truth-out.org/then-they-came-trade-unionists68363
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MNBrewer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:08 PM
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1. NOW is the time!!!!
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:14 PM
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4. If not now, WHEN?


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Faith No More Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:25 PM
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58. The sad thing is,
all these repug bastards don't care if their public support goes to shit. When election time comes, they'll all be voted out and go on to lucrative jobs in the "private sector" to reap their reward for being good, little whores............
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:12 PM
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2. A dark day indeed. Not to put too fine a point on it...
The ARE coming after us!

Thanks Will.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:12 PM
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3. K&R for working families holding strong.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:14 PM
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5. With so few non-public workers in unions, a general strike will not work.
But the recalls will. Court action against illegal proceedings will. Refusal to follow illegal orders will.

And if doing things by the book doesn't work because they rewrite the book to stack the deck, it still won't get bloody until they cut food stamps. When we can't eat, we'll do what is necessary to change that.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:28 PM
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9. General strikes are for everyone, not just unions.
Self-employed folk, non-union workers, even unemployed people. They're all entitled to speak/act out, not only union workers.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:31 PM
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11. Even the unemployed!
I agree, and be assured this unemployed person will mobilize any call for a national strike in New Mexico. A general strike is the only non-violent action that will produce the result we want. With millions unemployed we've got nothing to lose.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:34 PM
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12. Welcome to DU.
:hug:

:toast:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:40 PM
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14. And the homeless.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:20 PM
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6. SOLIDARITY!
:patriot:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:23 PM
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7. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, WilliamPitt.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:26 PM
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8. Glad to kick and recommend...
...
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jschurchin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:30 PM
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10. K&R
Great post William, and true, very true.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:35 PM
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13. We are ALL union members today
and the only way we're going to win this is to stick together.
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abqmufc Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:47 PM
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15. The Clash summed it up in Guns of Brixton..
"when the law breaks in how you gonna go, with you hands on your head or on the trigger of the gun?" That question needs to be answered by us all.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:55 PM
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16. This is spectacular. We frequently hear about that poem and the quote within it,
but you have done something with it here that is nothing short of brilliant.

An upgrade was way overdue.

Thank you, Will.

K&R
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:03 PM
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17. Solidarity and recommended nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:05 PM
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18. Thank you, my dear Will!
Your post should be required reading for anyone in government, ANYONE.

I'm proud to recommend!

:patriot:
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:07 PM
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19. Are you a union member?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:14 PM
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20. I am.
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 05:16 PM by WilliamPitt
I am a member of the Newspaper Guild/CWA Local 36047.

Any questions?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:57 PM
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23. Yes, Mr. Pitt...
we were wondering, what did you have for breakfast?

And, have you received an invitation to attend the royal wedding?

:kick:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:37 PM
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29. Coffee
...and no.

Next?
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:16 PM
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57. Anything new on Charlie Sheen??
J/K

keep up the fine work!
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:16 PM
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34. It was the first I had heard of it; I found it interesting.
:shrug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:29 PM
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36. Cope with the fact
that you don't hear about things first.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:33 PM
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37. Note to self:
Don't ask questions of Will Pitt.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:40 PM
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38. It was in the article.
"I'm a trade unionist, yesterday they came for me..." Or something like that.

Now I think you should ask him what he had for dinner. :-)



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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 10:22 PM
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40. Yes, I saw that, thanks. It prompted the question.
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 10:22 PM by Brickbat
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 10:27 PM
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41. Fail.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 10:43 PM
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44. And the answer. Post # 20.
Not enough?
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 08:40 AM
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50. .
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 08:43 AM by Brickbat
.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 10:42 PM
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43. dupe
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 10:44 PM by WilliamPitt
delete
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:55 PM
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22. Will puts his money where his mouth is. He always has...nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 05:20 PM
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21. the Teachers are next.. soon the old people will become Soilent Green
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:26 PM
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24. Read this. And I'll add some more...
They took away our health care but I'm healthy so I don't care.

They took away our medicare but I'm years away from worrying about such things

They took away Social Security but I can use the money and I'm years away from worrying about such things

They restricted a student's right to vote but I'm beyond that

They stripped the rights from gays and people of certain religions but I'm not gay and my faith is mainstream

They took away the right of a woman to control her body and thus her fate but I'm a guy, not a problem for me

They took away the right of a woman to control her body and thus her fate but I'm an older woman and past that


We have lost community. We have lost empathy. We no longer see the threat to others as a threat to us. We are unable to see past the next paycheck, understandable in this economy and just what they wanted.

Bottom line, we have lost community. We have lost empathy. That's at the bottom of this.

We tolerate a fat, past sell-by date, politician telling us that the reason he abondoned not one sick wife, but two was for America? That's where were' at. Rock botton. Ask me or Will Pitt about how you deal with a loved one with MS (Newt's second wife, I'm told), Infuriating!

Jesus! I just want to spit!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:39 PM
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30. GOD DAMN RIGHT
Amen, Amen and AMEN.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:54 PM
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31. apple meet tree. n/t
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 10:28 PM
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42. See you tomorrow
:)

:hug:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:06 PM
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25. Then they came for the muslims?
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:32 PM
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60. It does look that Muslims could be the new Jews
I hate drawing Nazi comparisons but it gets tougher and tougher each day. I have read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich three times and while extremely dry that book is excellent on the 1930s in Germany, pre WWII.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:11 PM
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26. Excellent post WilliamPitt
K & R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:14 PM
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27. Sending this out to my sister-in-law and others this evening.
Thank you very much.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:17 PM
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28. The Dropkick Murphys have this to say. . .
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 07:17 PM by DinahMoeHum
"Which Side Are You On?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKWfnO7fhQM


:headbang:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 08:27 PM
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32. !
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ucralum Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:53 PM
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39. Thank You!
That was fantastic-also "The Worker's Song."
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:44 AM
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47. ... and Natalie Merchant asks ... join in because, by now, you know the words ...
"Which Side Are You On?"

Sing it loud; sing it proud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qlkx-qwaM&feature=related

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 08:27 PM
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33. Bravo
The same Bush Inkers who remain untouched and unpenalized
for their warcrimes continue to push the boundaries
of justice, fairness, and the so-called American way.

We are all union workers whether we carry a card or not and we're sick and tired of the
very wealthiest corporatists making the rules.

We can all boycott, protest, show up, recall and run for office.

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 09:28 PM
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35. Kick.
:kick:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:31 AM
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45. Heh.
:toast:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:34 AM
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46. Another brilliant post! Anger is an energy - Sid Vicious
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:58 AM
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48. I want to make Governor Walker so gawd damned unpopular in Wisconsin that he can't
get a waitress to pour him a cup of coffee!!!!

He'll go after waitresses next!
For making, *gasp*, tips.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 07:39 AM
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49. Morning kick
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:04 AM
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51. And another. K&R n/t
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:59 AM
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56. And yet another.
:kick:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:49 AM
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52. As for those who are applauding Walker's victory:
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 09:53 AM by olegramps
The Republican working class who are celebrating should be mindful of being careful of what you pray for; you may not like the consequences. Millions of working class people who have swallowed the corporation propaganda will only wake up to the facts whey they are in turn destitute. Obama speaks of a recovery, but how are we going to recover when the jobs that are required have been out-sourced? He speaks of new green jobs but what prevents those jobs associated with product manufacture from being out-sourced? There is a solution, they are called tariffs but corporations have convinced people that tariffs are the workers enemy along with demonizing unions. I find it virtually hopeless to attempt to converse with working class Republicans who just spout the corporate propaganda.

The situation appears to me to be at present hopeless as demonstrated by the recent attempt by Democrats to repeal tax breaks that were provided for companies out-sourcing jobs. The Republicans easily defeated it. Was there an out cry from Republican workers? To quote an over used line, The silence is deafening. Its unfortunate that ignorant Republican workers who are cooperating with their own destruction will take down those who are fighting for survival. If anyone can see even glimmer of hope in the present situation please enlighten me since I find the situation to be absolutely depressing.
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BillStein Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:57 AM
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53. And then there are people like me
state employees who aren't Union members- though not for lack of trying...

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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 10:28 AM
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54. k&r n/t
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:59 AM
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55. K&R!!
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:29 PM
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59. "Then they lied us into wars and I didn't complain because I'm not a soldier, or an Iraqi, or an Afg
for this iraq vet, this resonates on the deepest level. I would submit that this encompasses that, from which my deepest darkest resentment and anger wells.

SGT PASTO
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:42 PM
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61. I have beencallingthe Bushies and Repocons Nazis
since Bush was elected.

This is Blitzkrieg Hitler style. Call it shock doctrine by all means.

What we see in Michigan is the next logical step. There will be no recalls in Wi. because there will be no elections in Wi.

Why would any one assume at this point that the people who cheated Bush into office twice, who are doing what Walker Inc. is doing - why would you assume they will allow thereto be elections, anywhere in the US again? Unless maybe your are a card carrying Reponazi?

You really think the Republican strategists don't realize they they will loose the next election? How do they prevent that? By preventing the next election?

Wake up America. Obama seems to be OK with that. He is not fighting for his base, and the has told the WH to tell the DNC to stay out of the state fights, so that they will be lost. The state level parties cannot fight the Kock brothers trillions on their own.
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:47 PM
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64. How about pre-revolutionary Russia?
People like Walker and the Koch Brothers remind me of pre-Revolutionary Russia when the wealth of Russia was owned by a small group of wealthy landowners and the Royal Family and the majority of Russians were mere Serfs. Te Republicans want to turn the American population into no more then Serfs to serf the uber rich.
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:43 PM
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62. Wow
still playing catch up with the haps.

Like you told me.

"Oops, I pooped my pants"

-p
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avebury Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:44 PM
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63. Can some of the Wisconsin Counties
secede from the state of Wisconsin and join together to form the 51st state or ask to join Illinois? Imagine if Walker has to deal with a number of his counties voting to kick him and his republican cronies out of their turf? You can't have much of a fiefdom if your land dwindles.

The people of Wisconsin should hold a liberal version of Boston Tea Party and write their own Declaration of Independence!
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 12:58 PM
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65. Will, good post, but what do you mean by "party nonsense"?
All elected Democrats at the federal level should be joining with us in this movement toward solidarity and if they are not we need to ask why not and hold them accountable for their silence or collaboration with our common enemies. I agree that this is secondary to the immediate need for all of us to stand up both collectively and as individuals against tyranny, but it is a close second.

Don't you believe this? I'll use the same analogy you used in your post, how are we ever going to get the Democratic Party to accomplish anything genuinely constructive if they are in power yet do nothing to counter the fascists while they come for us?

We need them to be Democrats. It would really, really help if they started helping to protect us. That's a big part of why we elected them. To protect our rights, to protect us from tyranny. It's really a very serious thing.

No rebukes or apologies are necessary for any justifiable criticisms of them.
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:54 PM
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66. K&R
Those selfish greedy pigs make me sick.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 03:16 PM
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67. Uh... we said something :| :?
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babydollhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 03:29 PM
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68. you are right.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 03:39 PM
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69. I might just steal this, and send it out to folks...
I hope you don't mind!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 10:18 PM
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70. Too late to rec, so here's a kick. nt
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