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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:33 PM
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Gibbs: Obama 'likely' to seek re-election - and cooperate with GOP on entitlement reform & deficit
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 12:36 PM by somone
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/12/gibbs-makes-it-semi-official-obama-likely-to-seek-re-election/1

Gibbs makes it semi-official: Obama 'likely' to seek re-election

In case there's any doubt, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said today that it's very likely President Obama will seek re-election in 2012. "There's a lot of work that's left to do," Gibbs said on CNN's State of the Union, adding what figures to be one of Obama's election year arguments.

To be sure, Gibbs said Obama has not formally told him he's running again, "but I would assume ... most people are planning for that likely to happen, yes."

Those people include top White House aide David Axelrod, who will be moving back to Chicago in late January or early February ... to help set up Obama's re-election organization.

During his CNN appearance, Gibbs also talked about possible areas of cooperation between Obama and congressional Republicans, including the incoming GOP House majority. Possibilities include entitlement reform, education, and ways to reduce the massive federal debt...
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:37 PM
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1. Better get my house paid off quick then
Once the GOP get back in, everything collapses
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:31 PM
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71. That is my number one plan
right now. To get the mortgage paid off. I have five years left but hope to put some extra on it every month. I won't feel secure till that is done. It will help me have a (probably false) sense of security.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:45 PM
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76. having a president like this is like having no president at all.
I'm glad I'm old. I won't be neck deep in poo as long as others.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:47 PM
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7. He's 100% Wall Street, just like any replacement would be.
The only meaningful political divide in this country isn't "right and left" but "have and have-not". Unless the general population gets angry enough or smart enough to see that, and stops being so easily manipulated with silly social wedge issues, we'll just have one Wall Street-groomed corporate servant after another. It's like giving the mascot a makeover every few years.
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whattheidonot Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:13 PM
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11. Wall Street
Obama has run out the clock. He has to put up or shut up. He seems to be asking us how much more of this do we want after he has has not done enough to avoid it in the first place. The time to have started ending all this was january 2009.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:09 PM
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115. Exactly!!! nt
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:44 PM
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3. "Entitlement reform" = dismantling social security. Thanks a load, Obama.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:51 PM
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52. could you provide some proof
of this hypothetical drivel, posted as fact?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:35 PM
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60. How much more obvious could it be? Simpson's
cat food committee etc. The handwritting is clearly on the wall, you'll find out soon enough.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:52 PM
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85. You should read the report. It actually EXPANDED SS in some
areas, suggested removing it from the General Budget, and other suggestions that actually stregthen it. Yes, there were also suggestions in calculating COLA etc., but no where even CLOSE to "dismantling" it.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 06:03 AM
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96. Claiming that it is in the general budget in the first place is something
--that only people working for its destruction do. Tell me when they stopped listing FICA separately on your W-2. Bending the initial benefits formula to further favor low income people is fine, but a nice balsamic vinegar does NOT justify the existence of a poison ivy salad.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:52 AM
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110. I have read the report. It begins dismantling SS. It does not expand it.
It merely takes away taxes paid into by people who make as little as 43,000 and begins means testing at that point. All the of the Bowles Simpson proposals are recipes for disaster:

http://www.ncpssm.org/news/archive/Analysis_of_Commission_Co_Chairs_Proposal/
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:55 PM
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79. Think it's time for Obama supporters and Obama to PROVE to us it's not true....
Gibbs is saying otherwise --

Obama has clearly said:"Everything is on the table"--!!

And Gibbs is confirming that -- !!!

Why in the hell do you think he appointed a bunch of Repugs to the

Cat Food Commission --

people like Alan Simpson who have been salivating for years to destroy SS and Medicare!???



!!!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:54 PM
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86. Try reading the damn report. Your speculation is totally unfounded.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:05 AM
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88. Read it ... and it is no speculation that Obama has always said ... "everything is on the table" ...
as far as cuts --

that includes Social Security/Medicare --

And then he followed with back room deals with Big Pharma and the private heatlth

care industry to trample a single payer system for the benefit of corporations!

And, neither is that speculation!!

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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 08:46 AM
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99. First you claim
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 08:48 AM by Caretha
that Social Security is part of the "general budget", when that stupid decieving statement is proven false, you don't like a real person respond to the poster with "oops, my bad", you ignore it and claim that the poster should read the "damn report" and their "speculation is unfounded". If you don't even know or pretend to not know that social security is not part of the general budget, where do you get off telling someone to read the "damn report"????? Bet you can't answer that either.

Listen bud, it ain't speculation number 1, I've read the "damn report" and so have plenty of others, and number 2 just listen to the rhetoric that is being spouted by this administration, and what the lame duck congress just did with tying the SS package into the general budget with their so called "tax holiday", and you will know that Social Security is on the chopping block. Those are the "damn facts" Max....so put that in your silly disinformation pipe and smoke it.

My next advice is get back to your bosses and tell them the gig is up and no one is buying your false social security campaign.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:53 AM
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111. Yes, thank you. Someone please give me the quote where Obama says SS is "off the table"...anyone?
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 11:54 AM by jtown1123
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 01:50 PM
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117. proving a negative?
nope...the onus is the other way around.

he can't prove something that in all likelyhood doesn't exist.....duh
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:02 PM
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66. Got proof? Or are you asspulling?
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:04 PM
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112. What do YOU think "entitlement reform" means? Obama has said time and time again
in his 60 minute interview and in other articles that he wants to look at the Bowles Simpson proposal and work with the Republicans on debt reduction in 2011. He has also said that Social Security and Medicare are the biggest drivers of our deficit (he is wrong on Social Security). So, taking what you will from his statements, what makes you think he isn't going to enact some cuts in Social Security? He has to get the Republicans to agree to raise the debt ceiling limit somehow.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:44 PM
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4. "Entitlement" reform?
:wtf:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:54 PM
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8. hopefully that includes entitlements to corporate Amerika -subsidies for oil, coal, nuclear included
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 12:55 PM by wordpix
and tax cuts to the rich ended.

But I won't hold my breath with this corporacracy
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:18 PM
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15. Those will be off the table IMO. We could also significantly cut MIC spending,
but any major cuts there will be off the table. There are a lot of places spending could be cut, but I'm sure entitlements for the majority of people will be cut before corp. America in USA, Inc. is touched. This is a fascist country.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:10 PM
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27. I won't hold my breath either.
Although I shouldn't be, I find myself :puke: that Gibbs has resorted to using Frank Luntz talking points. :thumbsdown:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:47 PM
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5. I still think Hillary would have done much better.
I keep reading about her DLC roots but tend to think she'd stand tall against the Puke agenda.

I'm willing to listen to all arguments to the contrary. I haven't been keeping track of things since The Great Enabler took the white house. I should say, I've read the minimum.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:37 PM
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73. You're aware of her DLC roots -- and DLC corporate agenda -- but you
turn away from the reality of it?

Wasn't it Hillary in the WikiLeaks cables moving on the right wing agenda

to get UN/DNA samples on a guy there?

Where are Hillary's speeches calling for the end to these wars?

Hillary is playing the game -- otherwise she wouldn't have been selected by Obama --

as we can clearly see from his other selections which are so damaging!!

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:54 PM
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78. Obama's mistakes are due to the fact that he hired all the Clinton folks.
Hillary would be at least as bad as Obama if not worse.

We need a candidate willing to challenge Obama, someone who is not a corporate candidate.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:43 PM
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84. Hillary was going to seriously do health care and is Obama
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 10:49 PM by anamandujano
really such a tender toaster tot that he can't even make his own mistakes?

You must make a better argument. I'm listening.

Edit to add--I believe she also said something about protecting social security.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 11:05 PM
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87. I assure you that Obama and Hillary will tell us that they are
cutting back Social Security benefits in order to protect it.

Obama's weakest area is economics, and that is because he hired the Clinton leftovers like Summers. Have you seen the video of Hillary when Code Pink visited her and asked her not to support the War in Iraq? That video is what made me decide not to support Hillary. Until I saw that video I really liked her. She should have been more courteous to the Code Pink women. They had actually visited Iraq and were speaking about their experiences there. She was very arrogant and rude in my opinion.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:08 AM
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89. TUZLA. She's as much a liar as Obama.
NT!

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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:16 AM
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90. Why, then, would Hillary *not* bring Bill's economic advisors on board...
...when Obama has?

You people need to square that circle and stop pining about Hillary.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 06:05 AM
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97. Doubt it. Going by her husband's "accomplishments" like
--financial deregulation, NAFTA etc anyway. On the plus side, I think she at least understands that Repukes are her enemies.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:05 AM
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101. i also think this.. i was anti-hill pro-obama
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 09:06 AM by meow mix
but at least she has a spine.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:27 AM
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106. She does a good job at what she's doing now, but she is DLC all the way.
You'd not have anything different as far as policy and who would have been hired.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:47 PM
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6. Oh I knew it. eom
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 12:59 PM
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9. Naturally we can't raise taxes on the rich, but must weaken "entitlements".
It shows that Obama is reading upon Raygun.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:21 PM
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16. I head recently he's currently reading Reagan's bibliography. n/t
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:45 PM
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20. Yes, I read that the President took Raygun's book on his
Hawaiian holiday. Why would 'they' tell us that?

I expected that the President would walk the walk of all his talk. E.g., maybe this holiday go to the Camp David Retreat. I don't know why it bugs me but when so many people are truly suffering to watch the weekly address in front of opulent decorations entitled 'Simple gifts' before flying halfway around the world, just hits me wrong. I'm not singling him out because I felt the same way about the overly frequent vacations of bush II....and raygun.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:40 PM
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74. A BILLION a day just on interest on debt...but America can't afford MEDICARE FOR ALL!!
:nuke:

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:04 PM
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10. Which party?
:evilgrin:

Sorry, couldn't resist. You can throw stones now.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:21 PM
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49. Good question.
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:44 PM
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62. You mean there's more than one? n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:43 PM
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75. I've been told that and people surely act like there is.
But all I keep seeing is Reagan's ghost (and I'm worried because I can't identify a sector of the economy that appears it may take off). Where do you put the money you have left? The bond market looks terrible going forward and with a prospect of tampering with mortgage deductions in the already hard hit housing market, construction won't rebound. Identifying a stock bubble at this point is difficult. Public sector job layoffs that will occur with new Republican legislatures and continued domestic budget cuts can stave off real change in job numbers. This tax cut deal at this time with the looming Republican seat gains is just going to be a killer IMO.
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Foo Fighter Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 10:17 PM
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83. Stock market bubbles?
I've been under the impression that the entire stock market is a bubble. Fraud is so rampant there's no safe place to put your money. With the upcoming threats to SS, in theory, it would probably be a good time to put more money into a 401k but after the crash a couple of years back, yeah, that idea doesn't really appeal all that much. Lucky for me, I don't really have to worry about where to put my money because, well, I don't really have any.

The tax cut deal and "payroll tax holiday" (that has SUCH a nice ring to it, doesn't it?) couldn't have come at a worse time. I have the feeling that the poor and working class are going to get reamed over the next couple of years. Yeah, nothing new there. I guess I should say "are going to get even MORE reamed."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 06:19 AM
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98. The payroll tax holiday is obscene and obvious.
It will be used by politicians as part of a list of achievements enacted to help the everyday working American while cutting their throats for the future. In an age without pensions, this is plain cruel and a deal breaker for me and my political efforts going forth I have a feeling. Adding to that the pretense of "tackling" entitlements which will include Medicare, it's been a dark and deceitful ride from the discussions at one time of extending medicare to those under 65.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:15 PM
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13. And will our ardent supporters support 'entitlement reform'?
Is there no line in the sand?
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:08 PM
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26. Fer sure!
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 01:25 AM
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92. I seem to have missed out on something. nt
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:15 PM
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14. Fishing where the votes are.
Americans are worried about the deficit, even if they are worried only because they've been told to worry, or because they can't distinguish between the economic behavior of a firm and that of a family.

Americans are worried about entitlements, if they are worried only because they've been told to worry, for thirty or forty years, about how SS is going broke and it's a Ponzi scheme, etc. etc. etc.

It would be political malpractice not to make certain hand-waving gestures in both directions.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:48 PM
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21. How many Americans are worried because SS has been static for 3 years?
While the price of mayonnaise on sale keeps going up?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:32 AM
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91. Add gasoline, dairy products, utility costs and my property taxes
have gone up, as well as my homeowner's insurance; yet, no COLA. Obviously they are basing their determination of cost of living on thin air, or, anything they want it to be.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:20 PM
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29. Americans are not worried about the deficit.
Tht concern consistently rates below wanting to end the wars, create jobs, and repealing NAFTA.

If this administration seriously believed voters were concerned about the deficit, they would not have just added another trillion in debt for tax cuts.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:24 PM
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17. Entitlement reform means massive cuts in the criminally bloated "defense" budget, right?
nt
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 01:25 PM
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19. If you mean defense of...
Seniors falling into the gutter, then yes you're correct....that needs to be axed post-haste
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:02 PM
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24. "Likely"? What else, the Super Bowl is "likely" to be held in winter?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:07 PM
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25. Will the entitlement reform include the entitlements for the $250K plus crowd?
I doubt it -- I read something here where Obama actually called Social Security an entitlement program?

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:07 PM
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70. Yes he did call SS an entitlement program,
my mouth fell open. I can't think of any Democrat I have heard call it that. It surprised me.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:52 PM
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77. Makes his postion clear ... anyone voting for this knows what they'll get ... !!!
I'll be moving on to a write in for some other Dem --

unless we get someone like Bernie Sanders to run on the Dem ticket --

Disgusting --

I didn't have as many unrealistic expectations or illusions as many here --

I didn't work for Obama -- only gave him $25 --

none the less it's stick Shock and Awe to see a "Democratic" president do this --

and I do feel badly for those who worked their butts off for Obama and REALLY,

REALLY believed in him!!


:nuke:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:13 PM
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28. Who will replace all the votes left of center that he's lost? nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:25 PM
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31. Good question. Around here he's lost a lot of voters. n/t
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:26 PM
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32. The far left should be able to do that.
People say it's a huge number.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:56 PM
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35. And others say it's too small to worry about.
After all, what did Nader's measly 3% accomplish in 2000?

I wish people would make up their minds about us far lefties. We're always irrelevant...until we're not.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:14 PM
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37. Why would we make up your minds for you?
Either you are, or you aren't.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. It's not our minds that need to be made up.
Either the "Far Left" is irrelevant or they aren't. Why don't you Centrists huddle together and discuss things, then get back to me when you've reached a consensus.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:50 PM
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40. They are relevant as to being disparaging of the President and his administration.
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 03:51 PM by jaxx
Other than that, not so much to me. Same as I'm irrelevant to you. Really, the carping gets old, the conspiracies get old and the turning rumor into supposed fact gets old. And by the way, I'm not a centrist, I'm a liberal. You might look it up.

edit> oh to hell with it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:59 PM
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42. You're not irrelvant to me at all.
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 04:00 PM by Forkboy
I need centrists (or liberals, whatever you want to classify yourself as) to achieve my goals.

Who do you need to achieve your liberal goals? The right wing or the left wing? Or neither?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 04:11 PM
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43. I don't need the right wing for anything.
I'd like to see them all go to hell and leave us in peace and prosperity. The liberals are achieving my goals, which means I'm ok with most of what has been signed by the President...who is a liberal.

I would wonder why you would need me to achieve your goals. It looks like we are at arms length on everything. I am the voice of reason, the far left isn't interested.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 04:56 PM
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45. "I am the voice of reason, the far left isn't interested."
Try not to break an arm patting yourself on the back there lol.

Can I gather from your quote that you "don't need the right wing for anything" that you do need the Left wing for something, or do you not need them either? You say you're not a Centrist, but in just two posts you've managed to put down both those to your right and those to your left, and proclaimed yourself the voice of reason.

It looks like we are at arms length on everything.

No, we're really not. And when you get over seeing yourself as the voice of reason you may understand this better.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:18 PM
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56. I'm left. Always have been left.
I fought for gay rights before it was fashionable. I burned the bra and took the pill and said no to barefoot and pregnant and war. Now you think you are going to come along and define me as a centrist...oh no you're not. Look at your answers, why would I need a headache? There is a reason I don't need the far right or left, fringes are too maniacal in their processes. They leave no room for anything but their way. The world doesn't work like that. I don't care what you do, or what you think, but don't expect others to embrace anarchy and the other fringe aspects as sensible. They're not. If I read one more time on here some supposedly out of nowhere post on street riots are good and Latin American history is going to be ours, I'll throw up. It ain't gonna happen.

Take it or leave it, but don't be giving me your worthless labels.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #56
59. You've been defining yourself, jaxx, not me.
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 06:34 PM by Forkboy
:shrug:

Take a look at some of your own answers and get back to me. "Too maniacal", "anarchy", "fringe aspects". Who is tossing out the worthless labels here?

Reread numerous posts of your own and tell me again how my labels are worthless, and yet yours are the self-proclaimed "voice of reason"? The biggest difference between us is that I don't have the ego to ever type that I'm voice of reason with a straight face.

They leave no room for anything but their way.

I'm not seeing a lot of room for maneuvering in your posts either. You seem pretty intent on your way as well, and dismiss those who don't agree all the time. They're convinced they're right, you're convinced that you're right, and neither side will budge. How is that being different from those you complain about? Here's a hint: there is no difference.

Take it or leave it.



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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. The difference being I didn't call you any of them.
I explained what I don't plan to adopt as my political ways. What you do is up to you, not me. I'm responsible for one person only.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. My point still stands however.
That you do the very thing you're upset at others for doing.

Anyways, in all seriousness, I hope you have a good night.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:59 PM
Response to Reply #64
65. Yes, you have a good night too.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 01:47 AM
Response to Reply #59
93. CHECKMATE. Now that's how it's done.
NT!

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #56
105. They say that we have our "head in the sand," then turn around and accuse
us of being arrogant when we defend our position.

I'm right there with you jaxx. You keep doing what you're doing. :toast:

Take the labels and throw them in the trash.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 04:48 AM
Response to Reply #45
124. lololol
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. The left should be able to replace the votes he's lost on the left.
THAT makes sense.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
51. Imaginary middle ones.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #28
80. Obama isn't right of center ... he's in the center of right and radical right. ....
We have one right wing party ... still moving to the right --

and one radical right wing party ... still moving to the right --

and if Obama is in the center of that, it certainly is far, far to the right!!

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:14 PM
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116. I agree with that assessment.
Calling him "center-right" is a compromise worthy of Obama himself, I guess. :blush:

Simply because how FAR right of center he is seems to depend on where we site the "center," and we can't seem to agree on that. I was subject to vicious attacks early in '09 when I repeatedly pointed to his "center-right" tendencies; that's what caused me to lose my sigline privileges. From my perspective, he is way too much like Ronald Reagan for comfort. The nation itself has moved so fart to the right since Reagan that the "new" center, along with the "new dems" is so far out in right field I need binoculars to find them. I haven't moved from what used to be a left-of-center position, but with the nation moving away from me, I'm now the "fringe."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #116
122. Think only the delusional would try to deny that now .....
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 11:12 PM by defendandprotect
with Obama making back room deals with Big Pharma and the private H/C industry

to keep Medicare from negotiation on drug prices -- and single payer off the table!!

And now throwing Social Security to the vile dogs of the GOP -- Alan Simpson -- and

Obama picking up the Social Security "entitlement" banner Simpson hoisted to

propagandize for cuts and end to COLA's --!!


:nuke:




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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:23 PM
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30. Wrong answer, buddy.
Zero cooperation from GOP is what you WILL expect.

They WANT, AND WANT, AND WANT. AND WANT AND WANT.

There is no sastifying those assholes.

It's time to take a hard left and stay there. That is your only saving grace.

I just hope you decide NOT to run, Obama. It'll only save US from getting any worse via appeasement.
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badgolfer Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
33. Farm Subsidies
All of this talk about doing something about entitlements, I never hear anything mentioned about farm subsidies.

The republicans are spreading crap about the unemployed getting checks for doing nothing; the farmers are and have been getting huge checks for planting and growing nothing for years. Let's do some big time cutting on this subsidy.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #33
107. You'll never hear about them because the 'cons don't want to lose the midwest.
Sacred cow and all.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 02:52 PM
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34. Talks about massive federal debt out of one side of his mouth while signing
a massive tax cut out of the other. So the debt is now important? Instead, they starve the government of revenue so they can claim austerity and destroy the safety net under the guise of "reform".

I'm at a loss of words for the anger and frustration I'm feeling now.

:mad: :puke: :grr: :nuke: :wtf: :argh:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:06 PM
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36. Think about this for a second.
Edited on Sun Dec-26-10 03:07 PM by Marr
The Social Security tax was raised in the early 80's, ostensibly to shore up Social Security for the future. So we had a highly regressive tax hike on the working class, and now that it's time for the benefits of that tax hike to begin paying off in some way, they're saying we don't have the money. It's all gone. Spent it on banksters, corporate bailouts, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc. Gotta cut Social Security now. Sorry, suckers.

But thanks for the money-- and keep sending it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:47 PM
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 03:53 PM
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41. Did you just call the President a republican?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:53 PM
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #53
57. Yes I do have a problem with it, and why can't that person answer
for themselves.
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #39
54. little clarification
in what wat is Obama a candidate as Republican nominee? Can you please explain in sufficient enough detail, that you don't come across as attempting to derail what DU stands for. Thank you.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 04:14 PM
Response to Original message
44. DU Knee-Jerk Meltdown syndrome. That's the disease in these threads are! n/t
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
95. no
it's the reactions of progressives who choose not to keep their heads in the sand
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #95
104. Hmmm...O.K.!! n/t
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #44
114. No need to dismiss the obvious. Obama is ready to go for entitlement reform. How is that a kneejerk
reaction to be concerned about his idea of "entitlement reform?" Has he ever come out against the Bowles Simpson plan's draconian SS cuts?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. Because there is NO evidence to verify your and the knee-jerkers' claim.
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 03:59 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
I am more inclined to wait and see what happens before raising my blood pressure on rumor and innuendo.

No, thanks!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:09 PM
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:11 PM
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48. Well...
.. I suggest he do one or the other because if he fucks with SS he will not be re-elected.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 05:26 PM
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50. Stop cooperating with these fuckers - we need to fucking destroy them!!!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:00 PM
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55. Massive demonstrations in front of the White House if Obama tries to compromise Social Security n/t
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:28 PM
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58. "Cooperate with GOP ... entitlement reform" sounds like code
for screwing over social security to me! :grr:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 06:45 PM
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63. If he joins the GOP in dismantling SS, public schools, and Medicare,
he hasn't got a prayer of winning a second term.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #63
81. True ....but I'd predict he wouldn't be lacking money for a rosy future .....
so what would he care?


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #63
94. Really? Have you seen the stupid douchebags here who defend his every betrayal?
NT!

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:34 PM
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67. The words "entitlement reform" give me cold chills. n/t
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 07:52 PM
Response to Original message
68. I just love how the right wing media made it commonplace
to refer to social security and other helpful programs as "entitlements". Last I checked we do pay into these things via taxes. I wish the left would not carry on their talking points.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. That's what enrages me, these are NOT free handouts
people paid into them and ARE "entitled". Our side needs to quit letting the RW define issues by controlling the language.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 09:12 PM
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82. Elite "entitlements" ... MIC "entitlements" ... Wall St. "entitlements" ...
Bankster "entitlements" --

Corporate "entitlements" --

that's more like it --

Welfare for the rich --

Free Enterprise for the poor --

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-10 08:35 PM
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72. More Obama and GOP destruction ahead -- DETOUR ....
Think we need to find that detour before there is nothing left of the safety net --

If no one is stepping up, there are a lot of people who can run under the "Dem" label --

everyone from Tom Hayden to Bernie Sanders --


How much more of this destruction do we want to see?

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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 08:58 AM
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100. The only way we can begin to see things start turning around to benefit ALL Americans is
for a truly progressive President to win. Obama winning OR a Republican winning is fantastic for the status quo.

We're going to have to start a movement or more and more will continue to slip out of the middle class.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:20 AM
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103. Hope you got about 50 years.
Your only current hope is Sherrod Brown . . .. IF he's even allowed to make it out of the 2016 primary.

Aside from him, it's hard for a progressive to attain the presidency when most of your Ds embrace R values, pretty much all of your Rs are insane Reaganomics-practicing corporo-religious whores that adamantly refuse any D policy, pretty much all corporations embrace arch-right-wing economic practices and pretty much all media (besides the internet) is in the firm grip of the corporate right wing.
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Courtesy Flush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 09:18 AM
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102. I guess I'll have to vote for him... unless it's raining or something. n/t
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #102
125. I have an oil change scheduled for that day
doubt I'll be able to get away to vote.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:26 AM
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108. he won't get my vote
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:46 AM
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109. If he continues this GOP juggernaut, he's "likely" to lose 20% of his voters from 2008.
How many times does he need to hear "if we had wanted Republican policies we would have voted Republican"?

I'm appalled at the direction he has taken, and appalled that more Democrats haven't called him out on it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 12:05 PM
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113. Put a fork in this DLC idiot. He's toast. (nt)
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 01:54 PM
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118. He doesn't stand a chance
The Reich Wing will tear him a new one for 2 years. And Obama will kick his own base in the genitals as they do it.

He is such a FAIL. His "successes" aren't fooling me one bit.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 04:11 PM
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120. 'and cooperate with GOP on entitlement reform' - WONDERFUL.
:(
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 04:17 PM
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121. That sends a chill up my spine. (n/t)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-27-10 11:18 PM
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123. If that actually happens, I will eat the brand new hat I got for Christmas.
Edited on Mon Dec-27-10 11:18 PM by BlueIris
I expect a different answer re: Obama's plans for 2012 soon.
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