PNAC article from 2000...still think this war thing is unplanned?

[w8liftinglady]

http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf


Refer to pages 2-3...which lament over the decrease in GDP spent on the defense department(only 3%)

Talking about concentration of our military in the Middle East and Southeastern Europe

I'm embarassed because I don't know how to copy,but read and research who belonged to/belongs to PNAC.

Things don't change much,do they?

[baldguy]

1. As soon as W was appointed, I knew America was going to war in Iraq.

9/11 just delayed it for 8-12 months, that's all.

[wildbilln864]

18. 9/11 was the reason or the excuse.

it's what got the public to go along with the idea. they knew without a "new Pearl Harbor event" they wouldn't get public support to invade the M.E. My sig line is from their document published in 2000.
That's why Bush was selected POTUS. So he could appoint PNAC members to positions to ensure 9/11 would be successful so they could get their war on.

[w8liftinglady]

2. and this,regarding Bin Laden on July 31,2001

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20010730.pdf

[w8liftinglady]

3. and this,Re: Wolfowitz on Defense Spending-6/2001

http://www.newamericancentury.org/defense-20010712.htm

Wolfowitz points out that in 1950, just prior to the Korean War, President Truman refused to request from Congress the increase in miliary spending his defense team thought was necessary. Today, we face a similar situation with the White House and OMB slashing the Secretary of Defense’s and the military services’ requests for increased defense expenditures. For example, Secretary Rumsfeld came to the White House several weeks ago saying he needed at least $35 billion as a supplement to the 2002 defense budget; the White House authorized only half that amount. Right now, the Bush White House is willing to hold defense spending below the total needed because it values tax cuts more and fears cutting domestic spending further. Moreover, with the president so lukewarm on fixing the shortfall in military spending, it is virtually certain that the Defense Department will not even get from Congress the additional $18 billion it has requested for FY2002.


In his testimony, Wolfowitz suggests a goal of setting defense spending at 3.5% of GDP. As he says, “To think we can’t afford an insurance policy of roughly 3.5% of GDP today to deter the adversaries of tomorrow and underpin our prosperity, and by extension, peace and stability around the globe, is simply wrong.” But this year’s budget request is barely 3% of GDP, and OMB is now telling the Defense Department not to expect any real increase for next year. So, the clear implication of the deputy secretary of defense’s testimony is that his president’s budget is woefully insufficient, and the White House is dangerously misguided, when it comes to providing for the nation’s security and its interests around the globe.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

6. An old twist on a new century.... and a damn fine one at that.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/ the site is in a beta changeover and I did note a little trouble with links but I'm sure they will be fixed soon enough.

[BrklynLiberal]

8. EXCELLENT site. Thanks.

[Diclotican]

12. HysteryDiagnosis

HysteryDiagnosis

Thanks, I lost that site for a long time ago:)

Diclotican

[Ghost in the Machine]

4. PNAC members in positions of power during the Bush pResidency...

Neocons in positions of power:

Dick Cheney - Vice President

Donald Rumsfeld - Secretary of Defense

Paul Wolfowitz - Deputy Secretary of Defense

Richard L. Armitage - United States Deputy Secretary of State

I Lewis "Scooter" Libby - Chief of Staff for VP Cheney

Condoleeza Rice - US National Security Adviser

Stephen Hadley - Deputy National Security Advisor

Elliot Abrams - National Security Council Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations

John Bolton - Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security

Paula Dobriansky - Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs

Zalmay Khalilzad - head the Bush-Cheney transition team for the Department of Defense and Khalilzad briefly served as Counselor to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

Richard Perle - Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee

Peter W. Rodman - 1995-2001 Director of National Security Programs, Nixon Center.
July 16, 2001 - March 2007 Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs

William Schneider, Jr. - Chairman of the Defense Science Board

R. James Woolsey - Within hours of the September 11, 2001 attacks, Woolsey appeared on television suggesting Iraqi complicity.

Robert B. Zoellick - U.S. Trade Representative - member of the Executive Office, with the rank of Ambassador


These shit stains infiltrated our Government and Military and there's no telling how many of their followers/moles have done the same. They were/are hellbent on bringing about their New World Order.

Do you want to take a crack at some more of them? Have fun!

Original 25 PNAC Signatories

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
Jeb Bush
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Lewis Scooter Libby
Norman Podhoretz
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

Additional PNAC Signatories

Morton Abramowitz
Gordon Adams
Ken Adelman
Urban Ahlin
Madeleine K. Albright
Richard V. Allen
Giuliano Amato
Mark A. Anderson
Uzi Arad
Richard L. Armitage
Timothy Garton Ash
Anders Aslund
Ronald Asmus
Andrew Y. Au
Maureen Aung-Thwin
Nina Bang-Jensen
Rafael L. Bardaji
Carolyn Bartholomew
Wladyslaw Bartoszewski
Arnold Beichman
Peter Beinart
Jeffrey Bell
Jeffrey Bergner
Robert L. Bernstein
George Biddle
Carl Bildt
Daniel Blumenthal
John Bolton
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Rudy Boshwitz
Pascal Bruckner
Mark Brzezinski
William F. Buckley, Jr
Reinhard Buetikofer
Janusz Bugajski
Buster C. Glosson (USAF Ret),
Michael Butler
Martin Butora
Daniele Capezzone
Per Carlsen
Gunilla Carlsson
Frank Carlucci
Linda Chavez
Steven C. Clemons
Seth Cropsey
Ivo H. Daalder
Helle Dale
Massimo D'Alema
Dennis DConcini
Pavol Demes
Larry Diamond
Peter Dimitrov
James Dobbins
Thomas Donnelly
Nicholas Eberstadt
Robert Edgar
Uffe Elleman-Jensen
Amitai Etzioni
Lee Feinstein
Edwin J. Feulner, Jr.
Jeffrey L. Fiedler
Michele Flournoy
Hillel Fradkin
Aaron Friedberg
Frank Gaffney
Peter Galbraith
Jeffrey Gedmin
Sam Gejdenson
Robert S. Gelbard
Reuel Marc Gerecht
Bronislaw Geremek
Carl Gershmann
Marc Ginsberg
Andre Glucksmann
Merle Goldman
Philip Gordon
Daniel Goure
Istvan Gyarmati
Morton Halperin
Pierre Hassner
Vaclav Havel
John Herfferman
Charles Hill
Richard C. Holbrooke
James Hooper
Toomas Ilves
Martin S. Indyk
Bruce P. Jackson
Eli S. Jacobs
Michael Joyce
Frederick Kagan
Robert Kagan
Max M. Kampelman
Adrian Karatnycky
Penn Kemble
Craig Kennedy
Paul Kennedy
Col. Robert Killebrew (USA, Ret)
Glenys Kinnock
Lane Kirklan
Jeane J. Kirkpatrick
Harold Hongju Koh
Bernard Kouchner
Peter Kovler
Jerzy Kozminski
Louis Kraar
van Krastev
Charles Krauthammer
William Kristol
Girts Valdis Kristovskis
Ludger Kuehnhardt
Mart Laar
Mark Lagon
Anthony Lake
Vytautas Landsbergis
Stephen Larrabee
John Lehman
Lewis E. Lehrman
Mark Leonard
Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger
Tod Lindberg
James Lindsay
Perry Link
Bette Bao Lord
Rich Lowry
Connie Mack
Christopher Makins
Tom Malinowski
James Mann
Yu Mao-chun
Mary Beth Markey
Will Marshall
Margarita Mathiopoulos
Clifford May
Sen. John McCain
Michael McFaul
Daniel McKivergan
Matteo Mecacci
Mark Medish
Edwin Meese III
Thomas O. Melia
Saah E. Mendelson
Michael Mertes
Ilir Meta
Adam Michnik
Derek Mitchell
Richard Morningstar
Joshua Muravchik
Klaus Naumann
Wing C. Ng
Steven J. Nider
Dietmar Nietan
James O'Brien
Michael O'Hanlon
Janusz Onyszkiewicz
Mackubin Thomas Owens
Wayne Owens
Cem Ozdemir
Can Paker
Mark Palmer
Martin Peretz
Richard Perle
Ralph Peters
Friedbert Pflueger
Daniel Pipes
Danielle Pletka
Norman Podhoretz
John Edward Porter
Florentino Portero
Barry R. McCaffrey (Gen. USA, Ret)
Samantha Ravich
Anusz Reiter
Sophie Richardson
Robert H. Scales (USA, Ret)
Peter Rodman
Alex Rondos
Jim Rosapepe
Dennis Ross
Kenneth Roth
Jacques Rupnik
Eberhard Sandschneider
Randy Scheunemann
Christian Schmidt
Gary Schmitt
William Schneider, Jr.
Charles Schumer Senator
Simon Serfaty
Stephen Sestanovich
John Shattuck
Sin-Ming Shaw
Richard H. Shultz
Radek Sikorski
Stefano Silvestri
Martin Simecka
Paul Simon
Walter Slocombe
Gary Smith
Abraham Sofaer
Henry Sokolski
Stephen J. Solarz
Helmut Sonnenfeldt
James B. Steinberg
Leonard Sussman
John J. Sweeney
William Howard Taft IV
Dick Thornburgh
Gry Titley
John Tkacik
Helga Flores Trejo
Ed Turner
Karl-Theodor von zu Guttenberg
Ivan Vejvoda
Sasha Vondra
Arthur Waldron
Cleste Wallander
Malcolm Wallop
James Webb
Ruth Wedgood
Caspar Weinberger
Kenneth Weinstein
Richard Weitz
Paul Weyrich
Leon Wieseltier
Chris Williams
Jennifer Windsor
Marshall Wittmann
R. James Woolsey
Minky Worden
Larry Wortzel
Dov Zakheim
Robert B. Zoellick

[zoechen]

14. NeoCons?

"Charles Schumer Senator"

He sure runs in some odd circles.

[Dokkie]

15. I cant believe

Richard Holbroke is on the list. These PNAC people seem to inhabit both parties. Sometimes i think we should just give the pentagon whatever money they need as long as they don't push us into more wars. A few billion extra a year could save us trillions of dollars and millions of Iraqi lives. I hope the last defense budge was enough to avoid engagement with Iran.

[w8liftinglady]

5. and a few of the players...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_N._Perle
Richard Perle

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Robert_Kagan
Robert Kagan

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Eliot_A._Cohen
Eliot Cohen

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Gary_J._Schmitt
Gary Schmitt

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Randy_Scheunemann
Randy Scheunemann

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bruce_P._Jackson
Bruce Jackson

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=William_J._Bennett
William Bennett

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Donald_H._Rumsfeld
Donald Rumsfeld

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Paul_Dundes_Wolfowitz
Paul Wolfowitz

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Original_25_signatories_were:

Dick Cheney,Jeb Bush,Eliot Abrams,Gary Bauer,Steve Forbes,Zalmay khalizad,Scooter Libby,Vin Weber(especially interesting),John Bolton

Maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. Didn't this publication also mention the desirabliity of a modern day "Pearl Harbor"

type of event to help further their agenda???

[Ghost in the Machine]

10. Yes, it did..

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." can be found on page 51 of the .pdf file

[BrklynLiberal]

11. and people wonder why there are some who believe LIHOP, if not MIHOP...

[Gman]

9. These wars were about two things:

Military spending and Halliburton. American hegemony was the initial issue outlined by PNAC in a post cold war/iron curtain world. And the idealogues were all into that. (Read Zbigniew Brezinski's "The Grand Chessboard". It fleshes out the PNAC proposed structure. But Cheney had more profitable reasons for war, the asbestos lawsuits and their contingent liabilities they had from purchasing asbestos companies that were being sued. Halliburton was almost bankrupt in 2001. And his Halliburton stock options which were at a rock bottom price. Bush was just the good 'ol boy taking care of the family's friends in the military industry.

Towards the end of Clintons second term there were a lot of radio and tv spots talking about how poorly prepared the military was. I remember one in particular on the radio where a voice calls out a company and platoon name and the "sergeant" calls out, "Not ready for duty, sir!" I told my friends who were taking it all seriously that it was military contractors crying because they want more business, which it clearly was.

[w8liftinglady]

13. which is why This quote still gets to me...

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together."
Eisenhower


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military–industrial_complex

[opihimoimoi]

16. Neo Cons and PNACers are evil orgs.....period

[Dystopian]

17. KandR.

PNAC....planned the occupation.
Just needed their new Pearl Harbor.
On record.
MIHOP.

peace~

[wildbilln864]

19. I believe....

Just like the FBI has set up terrorist plots in order to sting would be terrorists in recent plots, they did the same with the 9/11 hijackers. That may be why Able Danger was ordered to leave the hijackers alone!

[progressoid]

20. And because of our liberal media, most Americans know all about PNAC.

:sarcasm:

[Martin Eden]

21. Yeah, just like Judith Miller of the liberal New York Times ...

... who catapulted the propaganda for the Bush war criminals :mad:

[upi402]

22. The 4th Estate is honoring their role in democracy

:eyes: :puke: :mad:

[yellowwood]

23. Pay Attention!

The PNAC is a very devious and dangerous organization. They hurt the United States a lot by cheerloading unto the Iraq War/ They aren't finished yet. Keep that list of members and watch their activities! They are powerful.

[rhett o rick]

24. Iran or North Korea next???