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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:14 PM Original message |
China's ghost cities - 64M vacant apartments |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is there too much central control in Florida? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. !! |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. DING DING DING! |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Who said anything about Florida? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. If the real estate booms in Florida, Nevada or California were |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. That would be corporatism (or fascism). |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
82. zing! |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Uh, it's not really the same kind of problem? Heck, even the biggest foreclosure areas in Florida... |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
89. There's a difference between abandon buildings and building empty ones |
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Newest Reality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Am I inferring an implication by the OP here? |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
24. I really meant too much central "planning" |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. The OP is inferring communism, isn't it? He can answer for himself, though. |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. Makes me think of all those McMansions standing empty now in the US |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. This has nothing to do with central control of the economy. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Are you suggesting that all that real estate was built up because of market demand? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. It's a product of fascism, not socialism. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
55. Requires? No. But then, there's nothing in capitalism that requries screwing labor unions. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Of course there is. Capitalism functions off of surplus value. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. True dat. Just as planned economies function off of meeting top-down goals. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Ah so you don't believe that democratic socialism can exist. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I don't see it as a binary question. Technically speaking the US is an example. |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Speculation |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. You've painted over a pretty important distinction. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. No. It was built to look good in the statistics. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
53. Exactly! This is the inherent problem with all command economies. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. That's not necessarily true. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Look, full on socialism could work if people would only act like components in a planned economy |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Your concept of the free-market is a fantasy. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. The capitalism you're talking about doesn't include organized labor |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Democratically organized labor is antithetical to the tenants of capitalism. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. I think you need to work on your bumpersticker slogans. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. In class today, we were discussing causes of the Great Depression |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. that's capitalism, not central control. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I think he meant a closed system of government. |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. +1 I'm glad someone else "noticed" this. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. China is not capitalist |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. you have much to learn |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Allowing the central government to pick and choose who gets to be an entrepreneur |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Could you define capitalism for us. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. here you go |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No no no. I don't want the wiki definition. I want your definition. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I have what I call an 'old fashioned' definition of capitalism |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. I want to know your definition because I want to know what you're thinking. |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. that is PRECISELY what is done in China |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
77. Once again I'll have to ask: cite your referencne |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. I lived there for 2 years, does that count? |
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KurtNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. "the means of production are privately owned" |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Capitalism does not require that means of production be decentralized. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. well, yeah, it does |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. No, seriously, capitalism does not necessitate decentralization or private control. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Please cite your reference for that statement |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. You want me to give you a lesson on capitalism? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. A Lesson? From you? No, thanks... |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. My statements don't run contrary to accepted definitions. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:52 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. it's funny |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. They are corporate fascists. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. I agree... but that is not capitalism |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Corporatism is a form of capitalism. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I'll give you that it emerged from capitalism |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. fascism is state capitalism. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. lol |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. you lost the argument dude. Admit it. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. Uh, no, I didn't |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. If anyone knew what your gif/jpeg was, they would relish the irony in your |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Oh yeah? How so? |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Killface? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. You don't understand the joke. Clearly |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. +1 |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. private enterprise is closely tied to the central government, and basically exists |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Is this Capitalism? |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. "it adds to the growth of GDP." - Welcome to the point of capitalism. |
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True Earthling (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Same goal - different system/mechanism to get there n/t |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Yes, a different form of capitalism to get there. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
16. How about Florida's ghost cities? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
18. looks like china is going to explode.... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
19. developing sprawling complexes based on an assumed "consumer culture" |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Urban per capita GDP in many Chinese cities is much higher. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
21. This isn't a problem at all. |
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Urban Prairie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. Thanks for your support of the Motor (less) City!! |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Have you seen that Eminem/Chrysler commercial for Detroit? |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. I didn't mean that Detroit lacks potential... |
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Urban Prairie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
78. Yeah, so did more than half of their population over the last 50 years...heh!! |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
56. The cities of the American west grew to present populations |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. There's precedent for it in China. |
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RollWithIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:13 PM Response to Reply #21 |
90. So basically just build a random city on the river and hope everyone moves there? |
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thelordofhell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
22. China is hiding a coming Depression |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
91. Not crashing yet.... a few years though.... |
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Paradoxical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
57. "People speculating in the market have pushed prices too high" - Sound familiar? |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
63. I was reading in my kid's "Book of World Records" China has the biggest mall in the world |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
84. +1 +1 +! Highly recommend +1 +1 +1 Fascinating.... downright bizarre. |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
85. This is so disgusting that I just have to give it a kick. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-24-11 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
88. This is nothing more than glamour projects designed to appease the public. |
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