Should we be drawing some lines in the sand before the president takes a walk on the beach with

[Atticus]

McConnell and Boehner?

I know we shouldn't have to explicitly state that Social Security and Medicare should not be cut, but President Obama seems to be laboring under the misconception that the opposition gives a big brown rat's ass about the elderly and the poor.

Actually, how about taking the position that NO social programs will be reduced unless they are adjusted as a part of an overall restructuring of the tax code so as to codify a truly progressive tax rate and the elimination of the cap on income subject to social security withholding?

Or, should we just continue to hope for the best?

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Why do you want the Palin to be President?

Relax. Embrace the tax hikes for the working poor. Exult in the coming Social Security cuts.

Tonight, the bankers feast on foie gras and sumptuous wines. All is well.

P.S.: I tried rec-ing your post, but some lovely person had already unrec-ed.

[Atticus]

2. Thanks. I have someone so upset that my posts sometimes seem to get unrecced before

they could possibly be read.

Ain't no thang.

[tavalon]

8. Wow, you have an unrec stalker!

That sucks. I think I float mostly under the radar, so far. I guess I haven't pissed off anyone enough to stalk me, though I am clearly on a few ignore lists. I only know this because certain people who used to engage with me all the time, no longer respond to any of my posts to them, no matter how provocative. And these are easily provoked people.

[tavalon]

7. Manny Colbert, er, I mean Goldstein

You are a DU treasure.

[OhioBlue]

3. Lines in the sand like this don't work well for my line of thinking

Especially the way everything can be "framed" or "spun"

For example, even eliminating some of the funding for "Medicare Advantage" (what I see as a Republican step toward privatizing Medicare) is spun as cutting Medicare.

And... I absolutely couldn't take a position that no cuts are made to any social programs. How would you define cuts? If there is extra stimulus spending that is ending - is that a cut? If there is a social program like "trade adjustment assistance" that is replaced by a more encompassing program, is cut, is that a bad thing? I mean I support the TAA but do think that it would be great for others that lose their jobs and don't meet the criteria to have the same benefits...

it is just too much for me to draw a line like this - Personally, I need to take most issues like this on an individual basis and hear the pros and cons...

[Foo Fighter]

4. Hell, I'm laboring under the misconception

that Obama gives a rat's ass about the elderly and the poor and the working class because so far, I just haven't seen it.

[babylonsister]

6. Yea, he hates them all and has proven that time and again. nt

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

9. He's proven that he'll take care of the people who plundered the economy.

That's unequivocal. You apologists want to believe that haters hate and they'll never be happy all the while that you're heads are in the sand.

[emilyg]

5. Are you sure he cares about the elderly and poor?

'President Obama seems to be laboring under the misconception that the opposition gives a big brown rat's ass about the elderly and the poor'

[RandomThoughts]

10. most of them care about elderly and poor. Some think of it like an accountant though.

They are having a hard time finding a way to help them. Some systems are trying to set rules, and really tough to break through those boundaries. So it shifts, for instance the social security collection of information is not needed, so it gives a reason to go after helping people.

See how the component of good and bad in things can get people to go after good, when trying to root out the bad. Bad tries to stand behind the good using it as a hostage. Then if bad gets its way, only the good parts get hurt.

Really complicated to create a good program, or fix a partially bad one, because there will be an impulse to go after the good while going after the bad parts.

[grahamhgreen]

11. Agreed. Simply continue to go into debt, until we return to taxing the ultra rich at the greatest

generations tax level. That, and cut defense, prisons, and similar.

[Autumn]

12. Hope for the best, but prepare

for the worst. It's coming.