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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:43 PM Original message |
Krugman: The President Is A Lousy Negotiator |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Bingo got it in one |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. He's been a damn good negotiator for |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Wrong. Yeah, we saw how many Republicans voted for HCR and Wall Street reform, didn't we? |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Wrong. Yeah, we saw how well he negotiated for tax breaks, |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. You mean when Republicans refused to extend UI and approve a second stimulus? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. he did the best he could eh? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Against GOP obstructionism? Yes. But I'm sure you feel you could have done better. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. yes, I would have at least gone down swinging |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
79. +1 |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. The Republicans didnt have to vote for it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. lol! What garbage. Is that why Republicans want to repeal HCR? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Garbage? Try looking it up for yourself |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Yes, you said that they didn't vote for HCR because they got what they wanted anyway. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. why would they want to repeal it? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Ask them. Republican freshmen campaigned on this notion last year and won the teabagger faithful. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Really? Prove it |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. "Most of the HCR they actually love" ROFL! All you have are words with zero proof. |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Ditto |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. That's false. I have offered named credible sources which you promptly ignored. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Deleted message |
abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Republicans say they want to repeal HCR |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I agree with your first sentence and disagree with your second. |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. They should be afraid of number two |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. He tried his damnedest to get their votes though. Secret back door deals with big pharma... |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
78. dupe |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. i hope that helps him when all those cuts slow the economic recovery |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Bush senior pushed to raised taxes. |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
73. You dreamer, you. Believe the push is to LOWER corporate taxes, |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Hell at least Bush sr. raised taxes |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. How can you say that? |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. You have put your finger precisely on the problem |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. It is our damn table |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. Duh. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well yeah, and water is wet... |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Beat me to it! n/t |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
9. That became apparent on Jan 23, 2009 |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. As if Krugman and Obama's critics can do better? No way. It's easy to complain, though. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. He wasn't given the chance |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Agreeing to social security cuts |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. When did he do that? Quote the budget agreements that prove that happened. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. kinda sad that you think this is the best negotiating Obama can do |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. It's actually worse- they are arguing that it was the best ANYONE could do |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. *dupe* |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. "dupe" --what an ironic error |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. LMAO!!! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Politifact.com has 134 instances where he has been a clear alternative to the RW whackos thus far. |
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Newest Reality (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. I really would like to see any politician who endorses and |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I wish those anonymous hackers would figure out how to expropriate or liquidate those hidden |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. he has followed the script of having a minority in both chambers even when he had majorities |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
17. Republicans Prepare To Reject Final White House Budget Offer |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. At this point let 'em, get it over with. |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. I love that Obama has not proposed, accepted or endorsed social security cuts |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. They have to build up the big excuse first. |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Obama's administration publically said Social Secuirty is not a cause of the deficit |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. We will see how that works out for us. nt |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Back to my point: pre-emptive blame |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Actually Obama is responsible |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. No, he has not cut SS. Trying to use COLA as an example is disingenuous |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. No. But he has hammered in the first coffin nail... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Well, he does say "everything is on the table." And he opposes "slashing" benefits but never defined |
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Godhumor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. He has stated many times that Social Security benefits are not on the table n/t |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. It's not that Obama is just a lousy negotiator. He's utilizing his skills at community organizing |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
33. "adopoting the framing ..." Well, ma'am, there's your problem right there. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. Recommend |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
45. he is not a lousy negotiator. he is not a negotiator at all. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
48. This is what Obama wants he's not even concerned about negotiations! |
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gracchorumspes (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
51. Negotiating... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
52. Chicken Little Krugman was against HCR before he was for it, too. Guess his crystal ball is no good. |
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xiamiam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. 2 days ago you were calling krugman credible |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. Cenk has been saying this for 2 years |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. The guy who votedfor Bush in 2000? |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. No |
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SolutionisSolidarity (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. No. He was a Republican before Bush, but he voted for Gore. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. Memo to Obama: Saying, "I fold" before the cards are dealt is inadvisable. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Reminds me of a classic cartoon.... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
56. What Bullshit. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
61. I disagree about the negotiating. He does not negotiate |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
67. Car for Sale..Asking $10K..will take $2k. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-28-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Yes, that nicely sums up the "negotiating" we have been seeing. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-29-11 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
76. Duh! |
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