Hitler liked the law of the jungle and letting the strong fight it out with the weak.

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Hitlers was actually turned on by "the struggle". Anyone heard if the right wingers like the law of the jungle? Seems like a fit.

[Odin2005]

1. Many of the so-called "Libertarians" on the Right are actually Social Dominators.

Their vision of freedom is the freedom to prey on the weak, a very un-libertarian attitude.

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3. In something like a nutshell, can you describe why this might be?

Just wondering. I'm not saying I disagree with you, the point maybe hasn't come up before in such a specific way so I'm curious if you know more about what causes this phenomena.

If ya got nothing, no biggie, but if ya got more I'd love to look at it/hear about it. My guess is the Ayn Rand types are what you might be referring to but I'm curious if there's more to it from your angle.

PB

[applegrove]

4. I just saw a timelife BBC video on Hitler that my dad bought. It went into

how much Hitler liked the law of the jungle and the strong beating the weak. And the whole struggle. They mentioned the word struggle several times. Years ago, in about 2002, there was an articlelet, in either Harpers or the Nation, about Hitler and how agog he would become with trapeeze artists..female.. when they flew without a net. He would shower them with flowers when they hurt themselves badly and were in hospital. He's fall in love with them. I experienced a psychopath who was into me struggling to make conversation. He just really enjoyed it and went into a rage when...for some reason (I had him as a liar and sadist and a controller by the end of the night) when I didn't give him my phone number. Then he stalked me.

So I've read up on this stuff and think there is a relationship to bullying and manipulative psychopaths (which are a certain type, like hitler) with their sadistic enjoyment of the struggle and some portions of the right wing in the USA. The leaders (be they psychopaths or ayn randers or whatnot then teach their followers to like what they like and to enjoy people struggling).

That is how I come to this question.

[Poll_Blind]

5. Sorry you had that experience. I guess what I was really questioning was the masquerade they...

...performed. I've always found these Roy Cohn, Latino Teabagger types really fascinating. It's so hard for me to imagine the world, I mean, like being that. Being that...not duality...though that word might apply somewhere down the line. That...that insane sort of masquerade. And a deadly one too.

But back more to what you said in your last paragraph. I don't know if I've ever met any psychopaths. But I've met a boatload of sociopaths, mostly the juvenile form of sociopathy but one or two over the course of my life who were the monsters nobody teaches you about in school. I guess that's immaterial to our discussion, just took me on a sort of disturbing "memory lane" thing. Main thing is your last sentence in your second paragraph: I agree.

Oh, and the cartoon provided by CPD downthread totally nails it, if you haven't seen the Disney cartoon already.

PB

[applegrove]

8. Yes...the last

sentence from the second paragraph is the most important one from my p.o.v. too: they do teach others how to behave and what to like and what to do.

[Odin2005]

6. Bob Altmeyer, author of "The Authoritarians", talks about such people on his website.

It's near the end of an article he has on the Teabaggers.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/drbob/Comment%20on%20the%20Tea%20Party.pdf

Go to the bottom of page 8. Here is quote from the article:

If you read postings and comments that argue the Tea Party‟s case on various websites, you will sometimes encounter sentiments like those expressed in the “Three Groups” quote above. Poor people are poor, they say, simply because they are lazy. We should not extend unemployment benefits to the people laid off now because it will just encourage them to watch TV instead of looking for work. The poor people who accepted the banks‟ invitation to buy nice houses for their families at low interest rates were “reaching beyond their class” and deserved to lose them. The rich are rich simply because they worked harder than everybody else, and deserve their wealth. Obama is taking money from those who work hard to buy votes from people demanding hand-outs.

These attitudes come right out of the catechism of the other authoritarian personality that research has discovered, the social dominators. Their defining characteristic is opposition to equality. They believe instead in dominance, both personal (if they can pull it off) and in their group dominating other groups. They endorse using intimidation, threats, and power to enrich themselves at the expense of others. This is the natural order of things, they believe. “It is a mistake to interfere with the „law of the jungle,‟ they argue. Some people were meant to dominate others.” “It‟s a dog eat dog world in which the superior people get to the top.”

Such people may want government to stick to running fire departments so they can rise/stay above others unimpeded. Research shows that social dominators are power-hungry, mean, amoral, and even more prejudiced than the authoritarian followers described earlier. They want unfairness throughout society. Barack Obama, and the ludicrous perception that he is going to lead African-Americans in “taking over America” would be their worst nightmare. So the hypothesis that the Tea Party movement has more than its fair share of social dominators may have merit.

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7. I wasn't sure what you or somone else meant when they used that phrase "Social Dominators" so...

...I looked around a few pages online and got a rough idea that those snippets you posted filled out nicely.

Disturbing. Thanks for the information though. The last paragraph, talking about why they would be so afraid of an Obama "African Revolution" really strikes me as getting to the heart of something so...so genuinely absurd sounding but the fear of which makes perfect sense in their (skewed) perspective/context.

Much thanks!

PB

[Hannah Bell]

10. i think there's a lot to that.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

2. Watch this cartoon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwO6wlUXZeA

You must not feel sorry for the bunny. It wanted entitlements from Big Government.

[EFerrari]

9. That's what Hitler said he liked.

In reality, he and the Nazis as a whole were into rigging the game and calling it "struggle".