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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:12 PM Original message |
The poster article for journalists siding with Officialdom re Wikileaks, calling it macaroni |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. A secret plot done in secret would be the set back. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. And how does "bringing the population with you" work |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. It works by tranparency and democracy. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. slavery is freedom, war is peace, and work, as always, will make us free.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The internet is my mall. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Strange mall here |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. This week is just too long between holiday meals, everyone gets out of sort. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Do you honestly not understand why an opposition leader |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Actually, he was already fighting openly. The secret alliance |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. He was fighting some, but not all battles, openly. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Tsvangirai is the leader for democratic reform. In this particular instance, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Then you agree with the Rethugs, like Inhofe, who are against |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So you think it's fine that he's happy to be our puppet |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Wrong. Secrets are sometimes necessary to protect good people. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. Do you know who held the facts about what the Nazis were doing the longest? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Did you know Jefferson and others used coded communications |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
71. We beat Nazi Germany? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I am against misleading your constituency. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. That's fine in a democracy. But Zimbabwe is run by a dictator |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:11 PM Original message |
Tsvangirai also has a constituency. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
44. So did de Klerk. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. So? He lost an unfair election and he's been given a meaningless |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Nice one! |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. what I understand is that lying in defense of "higher callings" is always the first defense... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Zimbabwe isn't a democracy. It's a dictatorship run by Mugabe. n/t |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I think you've missed the point of the Atlantic article.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:27 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. No, the point of the article is clearly stated in the article. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Wrong. Sanctions on Zimbabwe would be harmful for the people |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. So you agree with the Rethugs like Inhofe who are against sanctions? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
58. Pathetic. n/t |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Nelson Mandela was bad for South Africa in your book |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. The lamestream American media hates the competition from Australia. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Hey, freshwest. I like to watch the indies on the bigger screen. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Sarah! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. You inadvertently spoke the truth. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
8. The prime minister is fighting a dictator. He can't do all his fighting openly. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. That would be too, um, democratic. n/t |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Indeed. He can fight openly by giving lip service to democratic reforms and the end of sanctions. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
9. Did you follow the 2008 Zimbabwe elections? Some of us did |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Alexander Pope had a great deal of contempt for the great unwashed, too. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I suppose that means you didn't follow the 2008 elections |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. No, that means you picked a very strange poet to illustrate your dedication to democracy. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
12. Thanks for the link to a thoughtful, informative article. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. If our president colluded with a foreign power to impose sanctions on us |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. We don't live in a dictatorship with a monster like Mugabe. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Living in a dictatorship is not an excuse to exclude the people |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. And how do you empower them in a dictatorship? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Well, no. n/t |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Then what? come on E germany was great right and FUCK us for tipping it |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. The US didn't do shit to "tip over" East Germany. That was Ostpolitik (German detente) |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:47 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. So the US had no role in the process at all? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. French Citizens and Politicians Helped The US, UK and Canada Invade France |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Your view seems simplistic to me. Zimbabwe, after the 2008 elections, was in a state of crisis: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No, the real question here is why this reporter and you, apparently, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Because a military dictator who has vowed to never leave office |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. That is no reason to cut the people out of the process. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. So you are backing mugabe? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:34 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Obviously Nelson Mandela was not locked up long enough |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
76. After reading about 15 Zimbabwe news & blog sites today, the citizens don't seem too worried. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Unlike here, you can go to jail or worse for posting negative oped. You know the free press |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Mugabe has cut the people out of the process. Do you understand |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. So, if our government cuts the people out of the process |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. If our government cuts WHAT people out of the process? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
25. No, you don't have it right |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
41. They will learn the hard way |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. I'm wondering if one of the problems with SOME of the hackers |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
70. That's an interesting question /nt |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Probably n/t |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
42. So all sanctions are bad? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I think you should be more explicit, for the sake of the hopelessly ignorant. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Appeal to authority? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
52. Children spilling wine on the nice table cloth.. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. "democracy is what the political elites do in secret" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
62. If you haven't scanned the comments to that article, I recommend it. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Yep, the CCCP invasion and control of hungary (oh fuck the polish too) |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. He (Lech) was a homophobe |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
67. K&R. (nt) |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. Western policy in Zimbabwe has nothing to do with democracy. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
75. How is Tsvangirai a "democratic reformer" if he's lying to his constituents? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 09:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Did you know that eating an Albino person cures aids? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Did you know that opposition to sanctions and myths about AIDS are not the same thing? |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-29-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
81. K&R n/t |
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