Golden Retrievers should be banned...one bit my son

[adigal]

I do dog rescue and have had dogs my whole life. In my life, I have been bitten by two German Shepherd dogs. The only dog that ever bit my kids is a Golden Retriever owned by my brother. So for the guy who said pits should be banned because one bit a baby, I think Goldens should be banned. And also Yorkies, because they are nasty and aggressive, and one tried to bite me. And I forgot about chihuahuas - they are really nasty.

The issue is that pitbulls and all the bully breeds have different equipment than other dogs. So when they bite, it gets in the news. But they don't bite more, and bite much less often, than most other breeds.

[zappaman]

1. A dingo ate muh baybee! n/t

[adigal]

3. Ban dingos, too!! All dingos should be banned!!

LOL!!

[baldguy]

2. Orchid sez "Thank you".

[adigal]

6. He's beautiful, has the same head as a girl I have up for adoption

She is just the sweetest baby!!

[baldguy]

14. Yes, SHE is.

At least I thought "Orchid" was a girl's name.

[adigal]

51. Sorry...I wasn't reading it as the flower name

Brain fart.

[guitar man]

89. Beautiful dog!!

I love that you have left her ears uncropped, as they should be :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Kalyke]

100. I have a non-barkie Chihuahua who has Gizmo ears like that!

I also have an aggressive-to-my-husband-only rescued Cocker (he was sexually abused by a male and he's only abusive to hubby when he, the Chi-chi and I are cuddled on the couch), a wimpy Golden and a next-to-me pack leader mutt.

[hlthe2b]

4. I was bitten as a child by another child.... so it follows

........... :evilgrin: (seriously, I was)

[adigal]

7. Ban babies!! Evil, evil babies!! LOL!

[lob1]

5. Hey, lay off my Yorkie.

He's so friendly and cute, it'll make you want to barf.

[adigal]

8. They are terriers, and I swear, one tried to bite me

a few months ago!! They sweetest breed I ever met are pugs. And Great Danes, too!

[uppityperson]

9. What "different equipment" do "pitbulls and all the bully breeds" have? What is a "bully breed"? nt

[adigal]

38. They have a different jaw configuration

and their jaw locks on, unlike Dobermans, who nip at you. That is why the do damage.

Bully breed: Pits, Amer bulldogs, English bulldogs, etc.

[uppityperson]

45. Thank you for your reply. No, they don't have locking jaws, that is an urban legend/myth

Do a quick google and you will see, link after link after link after link after linnk. I'd give links but every time I have there's been a couple posters who poooo them.

That is a myth. They do not have locking jaws. They might be tenacious, but so are terriers.

So then you may ask, why do they make the news when they bite, or even when another type dog bites and is incorrectly reported as a pit bull? Because sexiness sells in news. People are more likely to watch an "upcoming story of a woman who barely survived an OMGPITBULL attack!!!111" than "golden retriever reported as biting 2 kids". They are reported more because it sells airtime, it sells news papers, the sexiness of OMGPITBULL!!!!!111

[jtuck004]

105. Exactly n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

10. Actually, I read Goldies are #4 on the list of most reported dog bites.

Having said that, they are the only breed that has stolen my heart, and I am nutz about them.
We have one now, can't imagine not having one in my life.

[Posteritatis]

13. Some of the bitiest breeds can be surprising

A list I'd read a month or so ago - a friend of mine's looking to get a dog and is doing about twelve times as much research into them as anyone I've ever seen do - had something like chihuahuas, something I don't recall, and beagles(!) as the worst three for reported attacks.

[pnwmom]

18. They're also one of the most popular breeds.

It's when a breed has a disproportionate number of bites compared its numbers that we should be concerned -- especially when that breed is large and has strong jaws.

[uppityperson]

57. It's when a breed has a disproportionate number of bites reported

compared its numbers that we should be concerned as to why media acts this way. I can't remember, are you for banning all dogs of a certain size?

[guitar man]

68. Spot on!! +1000000

When the question is asked " what different equipment do pitbulls have?" the real answer is they have TV cameras and reporters itching to write a story about a "monster". The "monster" has LEOs and other people in the field writing up incident reports on "pitbull" bites and attacks on dogs that don't have a bit of American Pit Bull Terrier in them, but that's the way it goes down on paper and becomes "statistics" all too often. I've seen it with my own eyes more than once.

I guarantee if there was a way to untangle the mess of irresponsible reporting and break it down by actual breeds, APBT, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and Bull Terrier, all SEPERATE BREEDS that get lumped together under the media moniker "pitbull" the bite statistics by breed would tell a different story. Especially if the mis-reported mongrels were removed from the equation.

As it is, buying wholesale into the "pitbull" myth is about like believing saddam had something to do with 9-11. :crazy:

[uppityperson]

69. True, they do have different equipment indeed. TV camera and reporters

Saddam DID have something to do with 9-11, he, um, was deposed and killed because of reaction of bushites to 9-11! See?

[guitar man]

72. "pitbull devours mobile home!"

I know it's true, it was in The Enquirer!!

:rofl:

[Lex]

11. Tired. nt

[11 Bravo]

46. OK, take a nap and come back when you have something to say.

[Posteritatis]

12. At this point the only ones whose existence bugs me are the ones whose existence is cruel

You know, the really hyper-deformed show standards for one dog or another that are to the point where they have difficulty walking/breathing/not having seizures every time they turn their head, stuff like that.

I also kind of thing that if a dog's twisted into something like that it just might have a bit of an effect on their temperment. I mean, really, a human with a major disability/deformity is (usually) equipped to at least understand what's going on if they're in a condition where they have to be in pain or suffer other limitations all the time, but most pets aren't going to have even that pressure valve.

My post here is probably utterly tangential to your point there, but you just reminded me of one of my rant issues after once again encountering some people thinking dogs whose brains can't fit in their skulls are just so ky00t or whatnot. ;P

[adigal]

41. English bulldogs usually cannot give birth normally

They have to have caesarians. And little dogs, such as the toy breeds, have terrible teeth because they keep breeding for smaller heads, but the teeth are not getting smaller proportionally. Sad.

[pnwmom]

15. But you're indirectly touching on one of the issues.

A Chihuahua or a Yorkie, based on size alone, is much less likely to fatally bite a human. Pitbulls do have "different equipment" than other dogs. And statistics show that pitbull bites put more people in the hospital than other dog bites.

[uppityperson]

17. What "different equipment" do pit bulls have than other dogs?

[pnwmom]

21. I was responding to the post before mine which used that phrase.

I can't be sure but I assume they were talking about a large, powerful jaw.

[uppityperson]

26. I asked OP and now have asked you since you said " Pitbulls do have "different equipment" than///"

Not to assume, was wondering what YOU meant by " Pitbulls do have "different equipment" than other dogs". Thank you.

[Violet_Crumble]

22. It was the OP who said they have "different equipment"....

I'd ask them what they mean...

[uppityperson]

24. I have asked OP that and what is a "bully breed" but no reply yet. Alas.

[adigal]

43. Yes, but they are generally nicer dogs than many other breeds

So why ban a whole breed? I think the breeders should be licensed and the people who buy them should be researched carefully. But don't harm the dogs.

[Happyhippychick]

16. When pit bulls bite they tend to do more damage, no? I'm asking, not stating as fact.

I think that is why they get the bad rap, yes goldens do bite but they don't have the same kind of jaw. Pit bulls can do some serious damage with one bite.

[uppityperson]

28. What do you mean, "goldens...don't have the same kind of jaw"? Thanks. nt

[Happyhippychick]

33. No, not as strong.

Edited to add this link:

http://dogs.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Which_Dog_Breed_Has_the_Strongest_Jaw

If you're interested in more info.

[uppityperson]

34. Rotts and German Shepherds have stronger bite force (link also)

http://www.officialgermanshepherdguide.com/gsd/german-shepherd-dog/bite-force-competition-pitbull-rottweiler-and-shepherd

Bite force competition. Pitbull Rottweiler, and Shepherd. To see who has the biggest bite force of demestic dogs. It’s turns out to not even be close, but a massacre. As the rottweiler destroys his 2 oppoents in bite force. Logging a bite force of 328 pounds, The highest bite force ever recorded from a domestic dog. While the german shepherd comes in second with a bite force of 238 pounds, and the apbt comes in third with a bite force of 235 pounds.

[Happyhippychick]

37. Scary. That's why these breeds get such a bad rap, they really can do some damage.

It's not their fault though.

[uppityperson]

39. That and the sexiness of the OMG factor the media loves.

Any dog can do damage. Size of the dog can matter. But the media's OMGing about one particular type of dog doesn't help at all.

[adigal]

44. But they don't lock on, I know the GSD dogs let go

I know this from personal experience!!

[uppityperson]

PIt. Bull. Jaws. Do. Not. Lock. On. That is a myth, an urban legend.

Google it. Simply, google it. I am glad that people who still believe this myth are now finding more and more information showing how false it is.

[adigal]

75. I can google it all I want, but I have had to break up fights

between dogs, and it the dog is a bully breed, they hang on. My husband lifted a dog up by his back legs (a humane way to break up a fight) and the dog would not let go. All of my other dogs nip and let go, but the two fights I had in which a bully breed tangled with another dog, the bulldog/pit would NOT let go. Do they lock? Maybe that was the wrong term. They HANG on with their teeth and do not let go. Is that better?

[uppityperson]

85. They can be very tenacious, like many terriers. That is different than "locking jaws".

Tenacious is a better way to describe them and, like I said, many terriers. Of course scent hounds and herding dogs are also tenacious.

[Sonoman]

56. I wonder why Presario wasn't on that list.

I have had Rotts, Pits, and Presarios.

Those fuckers can bite thru a car tire, easily. I would bet money that an equal-sized Pres could bite as least as hard as a Rott.

Sonoman

[uppityperson]

60. I think they tested those 3. I'd like to see a fuller list also, but that was what was

tested, think there may be a video there also.

[TorchTheWitch]

70. all dogs have the same kind of jaw

Snouts just vary in size and length with some breeds having an underbite, but their jaws are all the same and work the same way. Pitbulls do not have any special quality to their jaw like the "locking" myth or the "scissor bite" myth. Their jaw is not different than other other dog's jaw of the same size and length and they bite the same way any other dog bites.

A pitbull has a large head in proportion to its body and therefore would have a similar bite force of a dog with the same sized head/mouth, but because their body size isn't large people tend to be surprised by the force of the bite without taking into consideration the size of the dog's HEAD rather than the size of its body.

These myths are just as stupid as that old Doberman myth that Dobermans were all crazy because their brains were too big for their skulls and the "squeezing" of their brains made them nasty.

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. Couldn't you have simply posted a Vick thread? n/t

[virgogal]

20. I got bitten by a Cairn Terrier. You can add them

to your list.

:-)

[pnwmom]

25. And you lived to tell the story!

:)

[virgogal]

58. No.

[toddaa]

90. Are you a flying monkey?

[Violet_Crumble]

23. What do you mean by "different equipment" n/t

[Initech]

27. WTF ???? As a former Golden owner I must object to this.

They are the nicest dogs on the planet. You can't blame one bad apple for the whole breed. That's like saying all quarterbacks are bad because of Michael Vick. And Ben Rothlisberger. And Brett Farve. Oh wait.

[niyad]

32. I think you missed the sarcasm icon

[Violet_Crumble]

35. I think that's coz there wasn't one...

The OP made little sense. Pit bulls aren't a banned breed (at least in places where the breed is banned) because they merely bite. They're banned because they're a dangerous breed, which means that it's the damage they do when they bite as well as the aggressiveness and strength, among other things....

[adigal]

53. They are banned in some places and more are trying

And they are no more dangerous than many other breeds.

[Violet_Crumble]

64. But you were trying to say they're no more dangerous than Golden Retrievers...

And making out that the only thing they're being banned for is because they bite, and well, all dogs do that. That argument's flawed, as that's not the reason why they're banned. I doubt very much the authorities that ban them or place restrictions on the ownership of them have some big irrational hate for that particular breed and love all other breeds. If I were to argue against their being banned, I sure wouldn't argue that they're just as harmless as a Chichuaha or a Maltese Terrier. I'd argue that I recognise if one attacks a person, there's likely to be a lot of harm done to the victim, and that the risk of attacks can be lessened by restricting ownership to people who are responsible dog-owners, and that training the dog is a mandatory thing....

I don't know if banning the breed is the right thing to do or not, but what irritates me is watching people arguing against banning them and falsely trying to make out they're as harmless as something like my micro foxy terrier/chichuaha cross. My micro doggy is incredibly vicious and goes anything that moves, but seeing her bite is like that of a daddy long legs and it's too puny and weak to break the skin, and that I can pick her up with one hand and remove her from whatever it is she's trying to kill, it's quite obvious that while she's more vicious than any pit bull I've encountered, I can't just pick up a pit bull and walk off with it if it tries to attack someone...

[adigal]

77. You are arguing with an argument I did not make

My argument was that pits don't bite more than other breeds, such as Chis or Yorkies. I then said they have different equipment, which is why people are harmed. I didn't say they were not as dangerous as a little dog, I said they don't bite as often. Imagine if they did!!!

And little dogs can bite a kid's face, and scar them and their bites hurt!!

[Violet_Crumble]

83. You did make that argument, though...

Maybe you meant to word it differently, but here's where you said it: 'So for the guy who said pits should be banned because one bit a baby, I think Goldens should be banned. And also Yorkies, because they are nasty and aggressive, and one tried to bite me. And I forgot about chihuahuas - they are really nasty.'

As to biting more, I'll refer you back to what I said about my micro-dog, which, btw, can't hurt if she bit a kid. I really don't see what any of what you said has to do with any argument about whether or not pit bulls should be banned or not.

[MisterP]

101. they're banned because of yellow journalism, that's why

Satchel Pooch: "I thought yellow journalism was when you newspaper train a puppy--"

[niyad]

29. a nasty little yorkie bit me once, but, considering its owner, I would rather have banned the owner

[DeadEyeDyck]

30. In the Philipines they eat dog

Should Filipinos be banned?

[Ian David]

31. ...

[adigal]

55. Thanks for participating!! :)

[StarsInHerHair]

36. You forgot POODLES!!!! My STEP-Grandma had 1 that terrorized me as a kid

I have an aversion to poodles to this day; perfect for her though, just as mean as she was.

[Nye Bevan]

40. Anyone who gets bitten by a Golden Retriever must have been tormenting or torturing it.

Your kids should be banned, not the dog.

[adigal]

49. My son was a very experienced dog owner

We were all there, he was eating a hamburger, which the dog decided he wanted.

You really should ask for the facts before you make statements such as the one you did. Oh, and BTW, Goldens are not all that nice. They are now inbred, and have a pretty high number of bites themselves.

[uppityperson]

54. I had 1 snap at me, turns out he hated women with long hair, was a rescue dog

had to tie my hair back when I went over so he would not bother me. Yes, was a rescue and had probably been mistreated at some point but no, I didn't torment or torture him.

[Lucian]

42. A Venus Fly Trap bit me once.

We should ban them too.

Damn plants. *shakes fist*

[thelordofhell]

48. Johnny Fever was a better DJ anyway

[adigal]

50. Ah, Venus, was it Love at First Bite??? LOL!!

[thelordofhell]

47. Ban Moose

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x5562714

[adigal]

52. They chase people and hit cars on purpose

They have been put on the Most Dangerous animal list.

[Sonoman]

59. This chick at the bar at Hopmonk bit me on the neck the other night.

She had beautiful eyes.

Sonoman

[adigal]

61. ROFL!! Hope you are OK!

[Sonoman]

62. Funny thing is...

I have been craving raw meat ever since.

Sonoman

[guitar man]

63. Olive says thank you!!

:hi:

[adigal]

79. Is Olive a puppy?? How cute! What gorgeous coloring!!

And so sweet.

[guitar man]

86. Thanks

She's around 18 months old and that's a pretty recent pic. She's a rescue, 1/2 APBT and 1/2 Pointer, but a "pitbull" by any other name lol. She loves that child with all her heart. I pity the fool that would even think about harming that little girl with that dog around :evilgrin:

[undeterred]

65. I bit undeterred.

[undeterred]

66. I bit undeterred.

[adigal]

80. She's not as purty as the pooch - LOL!!!

[pipi_k]

67. Ban me...I've bitten a whole bunch of Devil Dogs.

[cherokeeprogressive]

73. The Devil Dogs I know wouldn't have bothered to come back had you bitten them.

Word would have gotten around.

[pipi_k]

74. The word did spread rather quickly...

After the Devil Dog bitings, the Twinkies and Ding Dongs ran for their lives...

[adigal]

82. You all crack me up!! Ring Dings too!! n/t

[adigal]

81. They might have been out yodeling!! nt

[BrklynLiberal]

71. When a dog is vicious..the owner should be euthanized.

[apocalypsehow]

76. Pitbulls are a public health hazard. Period. The breed should be outlawed. Period. UnRec.

On edit: unless they are circumcised. Period.

[adigal]

78. I agree with the neutering of all dogs who are not

being used for breeding. And in other countries, your dog has to have shown and won conformation and temperment contests and tests to get a breeding license. However, to say pits are a public health hazard and should be outlawed, with no discussion allowed, is really simplistic.

[HuckleB]

84. Got Red Herring?

[sharesunited]

87. Should this be moved to the Guns forum?

It seems to mock the legitimate concern that a means of intentional HUMAN killing and wounding is equivalent to the bite of one of the most domesticated doggies.

The OP is trying to punk ya'll.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

122. Why? so you can continue to mock union workers?

[proud patriot]

88. as a Pit Bull and a Golden Retriever owner

actually My Goldie Rosco lived to be 14 years old and passed just a little over a year ago.

Currently own a choco lab mastiff mix and a blue nose big head Papered pit bull . Both are rescues .

We purchased our Goldie from a breeder when I was Pregnant with my son. That dog was the best dog I have ever owned .. Have you seen Marley and Me ? well that's my chocolate lab mastiff mix not a mean bone in his body but still a knuckle headed 100lb dog who thinks he's a little tiny dog . He was rescued by the ASPCA and we adopted him at 3 months of age. My pitt bull is Female and a wonderful dog. We just got her from a cop about 2 months ago she is 16 months old.

All Dog Breeds in the wrong hands have the ability and instinct to bite. I've been bitten when I was a kid by a poodle. as An adult by a little terrier who jumped up and bit my butt through jeans the little shit. It's more about the owners and trust. Plus knowing your dog and not putting them in situations that will get them in trouble.

[guitar man]

92. Precisely

"All Dog Breeds in the wrong hands have the ability and instinct to bite. "

No truer words were ever spoken. Of late I've observed that "the wrong hands" are often people wh want to get a dog and then cannot be bothered to pick up a book and learn anything about them. To the novice, dominant behavior patterns are not always apparent and left unchecked, can become increasingly aggressive behavior. " OMG, I don't know what happened, the dog was fine, then he just...snapped!!!" That statement is most often a huge crock of shit, it was coming for a long time, it's just that nobody bothered to learn what to look for or how to correct it. :grr:

[proud patriot]

95. Bingo

I've been watching Victoria Stillwell's "it's me or the dog" and been using her techniques lately.
We have always done research on the breed and the history of the paticular dog when a rescue. Knowing those things, building trust, and positive experiences is key . We like our challanging Dogs. We like the dogs others can't handle or are more difficult to find homes for. We like Big Breeds.

[guitar man]

97. I'm the same way

I like a challenge and I'm a sucker for a dog with a hard luck story . When I was 9 I always liked watching the Lil Rascals and became obsessed with Petey. I didn't know what kind of dog he was but I was determined to find out and get one like him. And so began my long relationship with the American Pit Bull Terrier. I didn't want to be Michael Vick, I wanted to be Spanky lol.

My current dog Olive is 1/2 APBT and 1/2 Pointer as was her predecessor, Birdie. Strong willed, sometimes downright stubborn but not mean. Uncanny ability to tell friend from foe just like Birdie could. My Shi Tzu, China has taken a while to warm up to her but I think she's finally coming around. Olive bounced from foster home to foster home so she has some seperation anxiety we are working on but I think as time goes on she will realize she's home for good and settle down nicely. She's about 18 months so she's still a big puppy :)

[proud patriot]

116. Olive souds sweet

I got a new camera for christams so I'll have to post a picture of my babes.

[guitar man]

117. Oh yes please

Must see babies!! :bounce:

[Luminous Animal]

91. I got bit by a chihuahua mix in the meaty part of my hand. Two hours later, emergency room....

2 days later, deep incisions, 4 days later hospitalization and IV anti-biotics. My elbow still aches even though the bite was nowhere near the elbow.

He was a fostered rescue dog who freaked out by a nearby dog fight and, essentially, bit the hand that was feeding him. That little guy and I are buddies.

I also have friends that are very successful "pit bull" rescuers. These are some of the most devoted loving dogs that anybody will ever meet.

[guitar man]

93. When I was going to trade school

I went to school at night and worked in the daytime for a "slum lord" that had a lot of low rent properties as a handyman. There was this one old woman that had 5 chihuahuas, 2 minature pinschers and a couple of Pomeranians. They had organized themselves into a well oiled pack and let me tell you, any time I had to go in there and fix something I had my knee high leather paratrooper type boots on or there was no surviving them! Little buggers were relentless once they started the attack... Downright mean. :scared:

[Luminous Animal]

94. Ha! Well, there is that, too!

[proud patriot]

96. that's where the poodle bit me

eek it sucked

[Skittles]

98. the pit bulls I have come across have been very sweet dogs

one did sling me off the couch to the floor when I was playing tug of war with him with a piece of rope - they sure are powerful dogs

[Liquorice]

99. I get your argument, but have you ever seen an ad for Golden Retriever

puppies that looked like this:

http://ajcexchange.com/4-Pets/49-Dogs-Puppies/ads/773932/detail

[HEyHEY]

102. You should need a special license to own pittbulls

ANd even a background check. Sorry, too many shitheads buy them,

[TexasObserver]

103. That's a wise approach.

Any animal can be kept if the owner is intelligent, compassionate, and understands the species. But far too many who are attracted to large, imposing dogs are compelled by the animal's strength or size.

Just as a bulldozer in the hands of a misanthrope is a problem, so is a large dog in the hands of a person unfit to handle, control or train the dog.

[HEyHEY]

104. Yup, both my sisters have pitbulls

Because a friend had a litter and gave them to them. And both the dogs are complete sucks. ANd what I really like about them is that, on top of being big cuddly dorks, one time when they heard the sound of the baby in distress while a stranger was in his room (Parents friend over for a visit) they both jumped too attention and hustled down the hallway looking to defend the kid, but stopped as soon as they realized it was okay.

I was surprised as I'd never seen them show aggresive behaviour before, even in the face of toddlers tugging on their ears and tails.

[jtuck004]

106. What makes you think the shitheads would care? They ignore

the laws now, and passing another one won't make them any more responsible.

I do understand the reaction, but half of dog owners get them as strays or from neighbors. So the first time
you hear about it will be after they attack someone, unless you intend to patrol and knock doors to find them.
But that is going to add tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs to a city to police a fairly small
number of terrier owners, and unfairly increase costs for thousands of others who you never hear about because
they belong to people who manage them well.

If you want to reduce dog bites encourage spay/neuter (not mandatory, that just increases costs) by helping with
funding where you can. Enforce existing leash laws - no free running dogs. Help build fences and dog houses where
they don't have a good one, and offer positive behavioral advice and help. Those few things will do more to
decrease bites and attacks than almost anything else.

[HEyHEY]

107. Well, if someone reports a neighbour with a pitbull

THe police can go see if he's licensed to own one, if not, bye bye pitbull.

[jtuck004]

110. It's not a pitbull. It's a Shar Pei terrier mix

And while the policeman might have been stopping a burglary or rape, he or she is tied up in
identifying a dog. There is already precedent that a city is on the hook for the cost, so
now you have a several thousand in time and equipment tied up, and, guess what, it's a terrier
mix. So get lost.

And that whole dream about the neighbor calling in - they don't want the police around either.

Or maybe you get the dog. They will have another tomorrow. And the neighbor will have a burned up house.
Does anyone really think nobody knows who called?

Ask Denver. The head of animal control says there are more "pit bulls" - as if anyone knows what they are
- since they banned them. Too expensive and hard to enforce. Same thing in Florida. And virtually any
other location. Many bans have been lifted in the past few years as communities have figured out that they
are expensive and nearly unenforceable, and, worst of all, they don't solve anything.

If it was that easy we could just pass laws against homelessness and poverty tomorrow.

But it's not.

[HEyHEY]

111. SO I suppose you support getting rid of the THOUSANDS of othe minor things

Cops are charged with dealing with because, unfortunately, rapists are running amok in your town?

I like how you think we shouldn't have dogs often raised for vicious reasons registered in the same manner as a car or something else based on a bunch of hypothetical situations, one involving arson.

The comparison to homelessness is pretty out of whack too.

[jtuck004]

112. Not worth the time.

Especially since I am now convinced the dog owner is the rational one here.

[Name removed]

114. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HEyHEY]

120. Not worth your time?

Cause you know you're wrong and are stumped about what to say?

But feel free to make up more hairbrained hypothetical situations to back up your argument. What happens next? A guy with a flamethrower gets involved?

[dana_b]

118. and how are they sure that it IS a pitbull?

if you seen this, you understand:
http://www.bulladelphia.org/understandabull_findthepitbull.aspx

lots of dogs look like pitties but are not. Should they take someone's bull terrier or dogo argentino because they can't tell the difference?

[HEyHEY]

121. Yes, I forgot, police only attend things when they are ABSOLUTELY certain a crime is happening

[Luminous Animal]

108. How do you do a backbground check for shithead?

[HEyHEY]

109. I don't know, clearly DU doesn't do it.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

113. Paging Cesar Millan...

[Travelman]

115. Audrey II would like a word with you....

[MrScorpio]

119. Don't get me started on Pomeranians….

One tried to chew through my combat boots once.