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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:39 PM
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ESPN: "Source:"VICK 'ONE OF HEAVWEIGHTS in DOG FIGHTING!"
Source: Vick 'one of the heavyweights' in dogfighting

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He arrived at the hotel room, where our cameras were set up, in a T-shirt and jeans. "I'm nervous," he said, surveying our lights and camera equipment. "I've never done anything like this before."

Our confidential source said he's been involved in dogfighting for more than 30 years. He has trained and fought -- by his estimation -- about 2,000 pit bulls and was poised to tell "Outside the Lines" about the time in 2000 when his dog squared off against a dog owned by someone he referred to as one of the "heavyweights" of the dogfighting world: Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick.

"He's a pit bull fighter," the source said of Vick. "He's one of the ones that they call 'the big boys': that's who bets a large dollar. And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money -- $30,000 to $40,000 -- even higher. He's one of the heavyweights."


On April 25, authorities raided a house in Surry County, Va., owned by Vick and reportedly found -- among other things -- 66 dogs (most of which were pit bulls), a dog-fighting pit, bloodstained carpets and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting. Vick was not at the scene and denied knowledge of dogfighting at the property. To this point, no charges have been filed against him. But questions about Vick and his possible connection to dogfighting linger.

This source -- who required anonymity as a condition of our interview -- has helped law enforcement by supplying information on dog fights that has led to dozens of felony arrests.

"I've fought dogs, I pitted them, I bred them and I've done everything with them," said the source of his three decades in dogfighting. He then went on to describe the scene from that night seven years ago, as he took his 42-pound dog into the pit (the area dogs fight in) to face off against Vick's dog. He says Vick did not get into the pit but had a member of his entourage handle his dog while Vick placed bets with the 20 or so people in attendance.
Outside The Lines
Michael Vick's role in dog fighting's hidden society and a look at why some athletes participate in the brutal and illegal activity are examined Tuesday at 3:30 p.m. ET on OTL.

"Then he started, you know, waving money," the source said. "He was betting with everybody … He said he got $5,000. He said he's betting on his animal."

Although the source said he doesn't know how much Vick bet that night, he does recall the matches' outcome: Vick's dog lost. He said Vick is known in the dogfighting community as "the man that comes with all the money" and his reputation is " he brings a good dog and he's going to bet and he's going to bring a nice sum of cash."

ESPN contacted Vick's agent, Joel Segal, who did not respond to the source's allegations.

In the U.S., dogfighting is considered a felony in every state except Wyoming and Idaho. Despite that fact, according to The Humane Society, it's estimated that somewhere between 20,000-40,000 people in this country take part in this multibillion-dollar industry.

"I believe that dogfighting is on the upswing," said John Goodwin, the deputy manager of the Animal Cruelty Campaign for The Humane Society. "And I believe that certain elements of the pop culture have glamorized dogfighting and glamorized big, tough pit bulls."

American pit bull terriers account for 99 percent of the species involved in dogfighting, and a pit bull puppy can cost as much as $5,000. An average dog fight carries a $10,000 purse.

So why would a professional athlete risk his reputation -- and a lifetime of financial security -- to do this?

"For the thrill of it," said a member of the Professional Football Hall of Fame who asked not to be identified. "It's like gambling, no different than when Michael Jordan drops $100,000 on a hole of golf."


There's no official data on just how many professional athletes might be associated with dogfighting today. Before the current investigation against Vick, in the past couple of years, only two professional athletes stand out as having been linked publicly to allegations of dogfighting: former NBA forward Qyntel Woods (who faced possible charges of dogfighting before pleading guilty to animal abuse in 2005) and former NFL running back LeShon Johnson, who pleaded guilty to three charges related to dogfighting, also, in 2005. Johnson is serving a five-year deferred sentence. But those players only scratch the surface of what Goodwin calls a "subculture" of dogfighting among professional athletes.
Everybody in the dog world is worried about Michael Vick talking. Michael Vick is making large money; he's making millions, OK? And if he has to tell on some people , I think he would tell … I don't put nothing past him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:40 PM
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1. the prez has his back
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:43 PM
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2. What? Really? Eww... n/m
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:53 PM
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4. From ESPN's WEB SITE when it broke....ESPN...Not a Lib Lefty Web Site...Just Saying..
n/t
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:11 PM
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43. What is the point in posting this now? AND violating DU's copyright rules???
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:49 PM
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3. He runs with the football well, so it's all good
:puke:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 08:57 PM
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5. Sports and the Military Industrial Complex rule America...Best not to Speak about it..
Best to Remain Silent..because so many Americans take pleasure out of these few outlets for their angst...and SHOPPING.

The Average American is Not to Blame.. They are worked to death. The only little pleasures we/they have out of life is MEDIA that tells them why they are worked to death. It's to support our PLEASURES...SPORTS,WALL STREET and CELEBRITY! How ELSE COULD WE FUNCTION to get UP IN MORNING and GO TO WORK! :shrug: It "IS" what "IT IS." The REALITY OF AMERICA AND THE DREAM.

We do it because we HAVE TO. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE.
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UncleTomsEvilBrother Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:13 PM
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7. I ask again...
...what punishment would have been good enough for Vick? You all do know that this is part of a larger issue, right? Millions of former felons are struggling now after paying their debt to society because they are not being hired or considered for other positions of development.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:19 PM
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9. How many "felons" are like Martha Stewart...Made Mockery of or a guy with a 5$ bag of Weed...who is
picked up in a car on I-95...or hit on in a street in one of any American Cities and is sent to rot in jail in terrible conditions. What about the prisoners who've been executed on FALSE CHARGES...and we find out later they were executed wrongly...or those waiting on Death Row...who have been found that DNA Evidence shows they were WRONGFULLY CHARGED and they are waiting release? What about those RELEASED who were WRONGLY CHARGED for RAPE, MURDER? New EVIDENCE shows they were WRONGFULLY CHARGED.

On the Other Hand...Michael Vick was in a RING...and if ESPN BROKE the NEWS...they are hardly like having some Left Wing PETA GROUP going after the guy... ESPN had much at stake...but it was TOO CRUEL for EVEN THE "SPORTS CABLE NETWORK" to STOMACH what WENT ON THERE!
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 02:26 AM
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28. To be thrown out of football would be a good punishment for the fucker. nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:07 AM
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29. CORRECT
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:27 PM
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34. Skittles, I don't know if I've said this often enough in 2010...
And time is quickly running out, so I'll say it again:

:yourock:

Thanks for not pulling any punches.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:01 PM
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6. Even when faced with ESPN "OUTING" VICk and SPORTSTERS...folks don't want to
deal with why Vick is a symptom of a corrupt Society. WHY? :shrug:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:18 PM
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8. For What It's Worth
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 09:19 PM by NashVegas
There's a book that came out in the fall, that follows up on what became of the dogs.

According to the author's math, Bad Newz kennels was not a successful operation. The dogs were not great fighters.

He may have been a heavyweight better, but I'm not so sure he was a heavyweight organizer/breeder.

This is a 2007 article, too.

Note: this is in no way a defense of Vick - he's scum. I just think it's important to be accurate.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:21 PM
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11. What do you mean by: "The dogs were not great fighters?"
You mean the dogs deserved to be abused because "they weren't great fighters?"

What do you mean? What are you trying to say?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:24 PM
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13. They Lost a Lot
Meaning, it's hard to think of an unsuccessful breeder/fight organizer as a "heavyweight."

Read Jim Gorant's "The Lost Dogs."
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:38 PM
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16. I take it you are a person who believes in Dog Fighting as Legit Sport?
Is that what I hear you say? :shrug:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:14 PM
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33. You're Misunderstanding Me
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 04:16 PM by NashVegas
I would've hoped you're familiar enough, after all these years, with my postings that I don't have to add, "and that's really, really bad."

Vick was not a heavyweight dog fighter; he was a failure at that. If he was a heavyweight at anything, it was all the money he was spending. By overstating his significance to the "sport" this article becomes vulnerable to attacks by his PR machine.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 07:37 PM
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38. I think Michael Vick is Emblematic of what we are Faced with in America , these Days.
It's a war of Entertainment vs. Morality. But..there are so many who don't know how to do "Morality." Without some kind of MORALITY Belief ..........How does one know what is RIGHT AND WRONG? How does one make a MORAL JUDGEMENT..(which in Vick's Case certainly needs to be qualified...as to how to CRITICIZE THE MAN?

I've left my CHURCH...and have no idea how we could really go after him ..except with "inward values."

:shrug: I just don't know...but Vick's vendetta to make MONEY out of SPORT for his DOGS ...seems to be a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

I don't know a religion or way to express how terrible what he did was....... I hope other DU'ers might find a way....
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:20 PM
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10. It's a good thing he was caught. Prosecuted and served time.
The legal system works.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:23 PM
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12. Is 18 Months served proper for what he did in abusing animals?
Did you see the pictures of those animals? Do you know how long he and his buddies were doing this?

Do you think 18 months was enough time served? Do you think he wouldn't do it again? :shrug:
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:28 PM
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15. According to our legal system it was.
I am not in a position to decide on his punishment. It was a sick thing that he did. He should have been punished. Since he is on probation, and has been theoretically rehabilitated, I am going to assume that he will no longer be engaging in this behavior.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:55 PM
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18. Do you think he should be making Millions as a Sports Star after what he did to his dogs?
Edited on Tue Dec-28-10 09:56 PM by KoKo
I'm thinking of so many folks indicted and serving time...who don't get the kind of job that Vick had back again..where they make millions and have adoring fans.

Martha Stewart did a lie about a Stock Transaction..she served like Vick. She clawed her way back in her business. But, Vick ran a Dog Fighting Ring...that involved ANIMAL ABUSE... The photos are out there...and ESPN helped EXPOSE IT... but...he's important for his "Atheletic Ability" and fans want to see him in ACTION...and that he's a DOG ABUSER probably fits into our BLOOD AND GORE HYPE for Celebrity these days.

As a Golf Watcher...I watch Tiger waiting to see if his Sexual Escapades & the "Celeb Impact" have impaired his GAME! I would watch Golf Channel, anyway. But, part of me wants to see Tiger Implode.

Michael Vick get's great VIEWERSHIP from BOTH SIDES POLITICAL! It's great RATINGS for the EAGLES!

BUT...there really is a BIGGER MORAL PICTURE HERE. TIGER WOODS didn't abuse ANIMALS....VICK WAS CONVICTED and SERVED TIME For ABUSING ANIMALS.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:11 PM
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21. He was convicted and served time for abusing animals. It was a sick sick crime.
Do I think he should be making millions? He should be making what his ability will allow him to make adhering to any restrictions related to his case. I don't know how else to put it. If people want to put pressure on him above and beyond what the law calls for then that is allowed for. I hope that you can continue to see to it that Michael Vick live a tortured life,d because, barring any legal action such as a restraining order against you, that is probably your right. As for me, I do not care that he is a celebrity. But when a man has done their time, and the mob is still coming after them, I tend to want to slow the mob.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:04 AM
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32. So you would deny released felons the opportunity to work in their profession?
Granted this is a high profile case, but he has done his time and is apparently staying well away from it now. Seems to me the process worked.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:49 PM
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17. yes I think he wouldn't do it again
and he has little control over how much of a punishment he receives.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:06 PM
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20. You believe that his Sport's Star Status had little to do with his Sentence?
You truly believe that JUSTICE IS FAIR for ALL Americans these days in our legal system?

:shrug:
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:19 PM
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22. Then how would you feel about an ex NFL player
just getting probation for dog fighting.

http://www.pet-abuse.com/profiles/1912/
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:37 PM
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36. Edit: I'm mistaken. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 04:44 PM by blondeatlast
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:28 PM
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35. I think you forgot to mention "cut a deal" in your hagiography of St. Vick.
But don't forget to get a few gratuitous smears in on animal-rights activists while you're at it!

:hi:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:02 PM
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41. Yeah...Vick "cut a deal" ...just like "Tiger Wood's Cut a Deal." Why do they get to "Cut Deals?"
Same as the "Banksters with their Craven DEALS got to "Cut Deals" with Obama and Bush..screaming "HAIR ON FIRE! US ECONOMY IS GOING DOWN! It's like 911! DO SOMETHING TO FIX THISl...otherwise WE WON'T GET TO VACATION IN THE BAHAMAS IN OUR VACATION HOMES...HELP! HELP! ...GET THE FUCKING 401-K HOLDERS TO BAIL US OUT! HELP...HELP!

That's what this DU poster saw of that FIASCO!
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 09:25 PM
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14. Thank you for posting this
Seems some want to ignore the reality of what he did.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:01 PM
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19. knr.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 10:20 PM
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23. It doesn't matter Koko, he plays football and that is more important than anything. nt
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:14 PM
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24. Recced.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-10 11:33 PM
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25. Duh. He had $3 million to spend to open his Bad Newz kennel.
And millions in income to fund it.

Michael Vick is a worthless pile of shit. Already established.

One quick correction, though (showing that yet again, media can't do proper research). APBT accounting for 99 percent of the species involved in dogfighting. That is only true on soil over here. It's played well into the media, helping to demonize the "pit bull" as an inherently evil, vicious dog breed (even insomuch as many DUers buy into it...laughably).

The Dogo, Corso, Presa, Fila, DdB and God help us, the Ovcharka. Lets be thankful that stupid American dogfighters like Little Mikey Vick don't know any better.

Damn, but that felt good. Calling ShitVick and every other dogfighter in the country a dumbass felt kind of good. Sorry to do it in response to your otherwise excellent OP.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:11 AM
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26. k/r - I have never used this word
on du - FUCK Vick
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:57 AM
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31. you're OK, Emily
:thumbsup:
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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:27 PM
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44. entirely appropriate, Emily
In certain trying circumstances, urgent circumstances, desperate circumstances, profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer. -- Mark Twain



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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:34 AM
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27. For the thrill of it?
Really? WTF? :puke:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:43 PM
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37. Not meaning to be flip here--but why else would anyone do this?
Average people like you and me don't enjoy seeing living beings tortured and bloodied--in fact, I'm guessing you'd react as I would, in horror.

But a sadist would love it; indeed, be "thrilled" by it.

We live in a sick, sick world, friend.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:36 AM
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45. Sick indeed.
How any caring and compassionate person can absolve the horrors that Vick imposed on helpless animals is beyond me. It makes me sick.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:37 AM
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30. Rec'd n/t
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 07:47 PM
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39. BUT! But! But.
He can run with a ball so he's a good person!!!!! $#@!%^&*&!!!!
His dog ring had active ties here in Dayton too. They were also convicted.
Funny how they aren't getting any of the so called Compassionate defense that Vick is getting.
But then they don't play football.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 07:57 PM
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40. Yeah.."Running with the Ball..Baseball, Golf Ball, Basketball are the GLADIATORS of our Generation!
We LOVE THEM...we give Tickets to our Kids,Grandkids and we show off the "BOX SEAT TICKETES."

It's kind of SICK...but if I said this to my family...they don't want to hear it.

I DID say this to my family over TG'ing...and they TUNED ME OUT! I was reporting "depressing news" according to the "family consensus.." :-(
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:10 PM
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42. Again. I agree. The gladiator comparison is spot on.
sigh..... I can also relate to families response from time to time.
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