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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:36 AM
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School District Bans All Sweets
School District Bans All Sweets

Kids of St. Paul, Minn., load up on the cookies now. Because if you’re a student in a public school there, you’re going to have to go without sweets during those many long hours you’re on school grounds.

All public schools in the St. Paul school district will be, by the school year’s end, sweet-free zones. That means no more cookies, cinnamon rolls or cakes for dessert with school lunches. Little Debbie’s snack cakes will be confiscated from home lunches. And concessions for school fundraisers can’t include hot chocolate or brownies.

No birthday cupcakes.

The St. Paul school district’s ban on sweets is an effort to live up to a wellness policy that parents, school administrators and teachers agreed on — but didn’t really act on — four years ago. It’s an effort to fight child obesity but also to get the district ready for the Child Nutrition Act, signed recently by President Obama, which could impose stricter rules on schools than simple soda bans.

The ban, which also includes fat- and salt-laden snack foods, isn’t expected to dramatically lower the districts 40 percent obesity rate. But it’s an effort, administrators say, to begin doing things differently. Teachers will come up with new ways to reward students other than with pizza coupons. Parents will have to find something other than cupcakes to bring in for a birthday celebration.

http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2010/12/28/school-districts-bans-all-sweets/

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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:43 AM
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1. OK, this is really stupid.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 08:51 AM by Odin2005
Confiscating Little Debbie snacks? No more birthday cupcakes? What kind of BS is this?

The world must be ending because I apparently agree with psycho Sarah.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:53 AM
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3. Well according to some folks in these parts - controlling the choices of others for $$ is OK
If someone is costing us more money by their choices (smoking, eating, abortion, ... ooops not the last one - the principle of your body, your choice is for only one thing - believing in the ideal is for libertarians, real liberals only believe in it's use for one thing) - through higher insurance costs, etc, then we have a god given right to punish them for sinning against the almight god$ of money...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:15 AM
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7. The nanny state is afoot.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:03 AM
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18. the article states that parents teachers and administrators agreed
on this policy. How is that a 'Nanny State'? At worst it is a Self-Nanny State.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:34 PM
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53. No not "ALL" parents and teachers agreed
Even if the majority of them did, that doesn't give them the right to tell others they don't have autonomy over their own bodies. That is one of the biggest affronts to freedom you can possibly commit.

What if the majority in this country voted unanimously to throw you into prison for the rest of your life even though you hadn't done anything wrong? Would that be ok since a vote was taken? Of course not.

That is why we focus more on protecting the rights of the minority instead of the majority because the majority really don't need their point of views protected.

C'mon people this is basic freedom 101 stuff here.
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:59 PM
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88. You are controlling those under 18 years of age. They also can`t vote.
They should`nt be pounding sweets down their gullets at school. Their parents should have taught them better. So for those who haven`t the good sense to not stampede towards diabetic death, now they at least do it at school. It`s not totalitatian nutrition policing.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:55 AM
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4. me too.
this is ridiculous.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:10 AM
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21. not BS
and Sarah Palin is still wrong
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:49 AM
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2. Hey, it's Susie's Birthday & she brought celery sticks in for the whole class!
:party:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:15 PM
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60. Birthday treats were banned at our sons' schools ages ago..but not for that reason
The reason given was this:

"Many Moms have to work , and it makes their kids feel bad when other kids' Moms bring treats & theirs does not".
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:54 PM
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85. That's a pretty good reason.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 08:58 AM
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5. This is not right! Didn't anyone ever hear of moderation????? n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:02 AM
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17. 40% obesity rate: moderation not working. nt.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:18 AM
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22. A nanny state won't work either. n/t
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Union Scribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:41 AM
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33. Has it really been tried?
Seems like it's either free-for-all or banning.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:57 PM
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39. Moderation DOES work. People just happen to suck at moderation.
Eating fast food regularly and the sugary crap most people buy at the grocery store etc is not moderation. My child eats her fair share of "junk" food and she's thin as a rail and healthy - because most of the time she eats healthy food.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:46 AM
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73. Take a look around you. Moderation ain't cuttin' it.
Americans are as fat as fuck.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:00 AM
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6. A few years back when Donna still worked at the Emergency Shelter
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 09:00 AM by hobbit709
She had to comply with all the USDA rules under the School Breakfast and Lunch Program. They told her that one of the breakfast meal plans had too much fat in it and suggested some changes. The new plan had a lower total fat % but the sugar and carbs % more than doubled. Overall calorie count increased by about 10%.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:18 AM
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9. I ran into that nonsense when I worked in kitchen of a YWCA-run preschool.
Plus other nonsense from the state requiring a certain amount from each food group in EVERY meal, resulting in us wasting a lot of food.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:16 PM
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81. Jamie Oliver caught hell when he tried to spruce up school lunch menus
I was flabbergasted when his meal made from scratch was considered "unhealthy" while the fat & sugar-laden glop prepared in the microwave was "healthy" according to the School Lunch program regs.

dg
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:17 AM
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8. Really? How about spuds? Rice? Carrots (yes, carrots)? PEOPLE ARE STUPID.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:33 AM
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10. No blueberry orange bran muffins?
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:36 AM
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11. Had this happened 30 years ago....
In MY neck of the woods, I never would have made it through a school day!
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:43 AM
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12. I guess they didn't consider the human brain needs sugar to work right
But let's not let facts get in the way of nanny-staters needing to be in control.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:46 AM
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14. that is silly
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 09:46 AM by handmade34
the school is banning processed sweets and junk food... the necessary 'sugars' for proper brain function come from a wide source of unprocessed food... vegetables, fruit and grain...
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:47 AM
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74. Yeah, back before Twinkies humanity was too sugar-starved to accomplish a thing. nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:43 AM
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13. seems like a fine idea to me
and I would support it if I still had children in school. ...we shouldn't think that going without a cookie for 8 hours is torture...

The food we eat (and how we eat it) has become very unhealthy and it is time to shake things up a bit. No one is saying that the kids can't have a cookie when they get home from school, or what ever the parent wants to give them.

The fault lies first with the food processors that market horribly adulterated food to us and then the problem is exacerbated by too busy, too poor, too uninformed people eating the stuff and/or feeding it to their children.


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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:18 AM
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71. Total fucking bullshit!
I don't give a damn what justification you try to spew. You have NO fucking place to tell a parent what food they pack in THEIR kids lunches.

The fucking nerve of some people is beyond outrageous. n/t
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 09:59 AM
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15. I love it. Students shouldn't be fed sugar laden foods when
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 10:35 AM by rainy
they are suppose to be learning. Sugar makes you stupid. Do the research. It really slows down brain power, fogs the mind. There are so many things wrong with sugar. Even bad behavior is corrected when sugar is removed from the diet.

Good wholesome food it delicious and satisfying if only our kids were taught this from the beginning they wouldn't crave the crap.

on edit: of course I'm talking about refined sugars. Fruit and veggie sugar in it's natural state, still in the fruit and veggie, is fine.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:07 AM
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20. should clarify
that it is amounts of "processed" sugar... food sugar in and of itself is not detremental


http://www.odemagazine.com/doc/26/you_do_what_you_eat/
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:31 AM
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30. You obviously never ate in my HS cafeteria.
"Good wholesome food it delicious and satisfying"..

It may have been good and wholesome however it was anything but delicious, and this was back in the sixties.

Well over half the food served ended up in the garbage can because it was unpalatable, it made hospital food look like haute cuisine.



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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:18 PM
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35. I remember a congealed roast beef lunch from first grade...
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 12:19 PM by hlthe2b
It not only looked revolting, the smell had me nauseous from the moment I entered the cafeteria. A "well-meaning" teacher/monitor saw that I was not eating and made me stay in the cafeteria all afternoon to "force" me to eat.... Mrs. Schyler--just about the only teacher's name I ever remembered. LOL I threw up after trying to get one bite down. :mad:

Since then, I have had a tremendous difficulty with institutional food, including most cafeterias... I don't like the "country buffet" type restaurants either, but can at least manage a meal there if pressed.

Yes, moderation. Good intentions aside, we need to teach kids and reinforce those principles. I don't think you do that by absolute banning food nor "forcing" others.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:11 PM
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43. Yep some of my worst memories of school are in the cafeteria
Being forced to choke down fatty chewy muck that purported to be meat. Custard...I get queasy just thinking about having to eat custard. And to this day the smell of a hot dog makes me retch.

You want kids to not be fat? Don't force them to eat when they aren't hungry.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:49 AM
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75. New frontiers in the lunchroom
In St. Paul, kids love school lunches, thanks to boss lunch lady Jean Ronnei. She has earned national honors for her innovations.
By Darlene Prois, Star Tribune
Last update: January 25, 2007 - 9:32 PM
http://www.startribune.com/local/11586386.html
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:01 AM
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16. 40% child obesity rate, sign on from parents and teachers,
and the consensus here is: NO!
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:07 AM
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19. 124 reasons sugar is bad:
link: www.formerfatguy.com/articles/124reasons-no-sugar.asp



The following is a listing of some of sugar's metabolic consequences from a variety of medical journals and other scientific publications.

Sugar can suppress the immune system

Sugar upsets the mineral relationships in the body

Sugar can cause hyperactivity, anxiety, difficulty concentrating, and crankiness in children

Sugar can produce a significant rise in triglycerides

Sugar contributes to the reduction in defense against bacterial infection (infectious diseases)

Sugar causes a loss of tissue elasticity and function, the more sugar you eat the more elasticity and function you loose

Sugar reduces high density lipoproteins

Sugar leads to chromium deficiency

Sugar leads to cancer of the breast, ovaries, prostrate, and rectum

Sugar can increase fasting levels of glucose

Sugar causes copper deficiency

Sugar interferes with absorption of calcium and magnesium

Sugar can weaken eyesight

Sugar raises the level of a neurotransmitters: dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine

Sugar can cause hypoglycemia

Sugar can produce an acidic digestive tract

Sugar can cause a rapid rise of adrenaline levels in children

Sugar malabsorption is frequent in patients with functional bowel disease

Sugar can cause premature aging

Sugar can lead to alcoholism

Sugar can cause tooth decay

Sugar contributes to obesity

High intake of sugar increases the risk of Crohn's disease, and ulcerative colitis

Sugar can cause changes frequently found in person with gastric or duodenal ulcers

Sugar can cause arthritis

Sugar can cause asthma

Sugar greatly assists the uncontrolled growth of Candida Albicans (yeast infections)

Sugar can cause gallstones

Sugar can cause heart disease

Sugar can cause appendicitis

Sugar can cause multiple sclerosis

Sugar can cause hemorrhoids

Sugar can cause varicose veins

Sugar can elevate glucose and insulin responses in oral contraceptive users

Sugar can lead to periodontal disease

Sugar can contribute to osteoporosis

Sugar contributes to saliva acidity

Sugar can cause a decrease in insulin sensitivity

Sugar can lower the amount of Vitamin E in the blood

Sugar can decrease growth hormone

Sugar can increase cholesterol

Sugar can increase the systolic blood pressure

Sugar can cause drowsiness and decreased activity in children

High sugar intake increases advanced glycation end products (AGEs)(Sugar bound non- enzymatically to protein)

Sugar can interfere with the absorption of protein

Sugar causes food allergies

Sugar can contribute to diabetes

Sugar can cause toxemia during pregnancy

Sugar can contribute to eczema in children

Sugar can cause cardiovascular disease

Sugar can impair the structure of DNA

Sugar can change the structure of protein

Sugar can make our skin age by changing the structure of collagen

Sugar can cause cataracts

Sugar can cause emphysema

Sugar can cause atherosclerosis

Sugar can promote an elevation of low density lipoproteins (LDL)

High sugar intake can impair the physiological homeostasis of many systems in the body

Sugar lowers the enzymes ability to function

Sugar intake is higher in people with Parkinson’s disease

Sugar can cause a permanent altering the way the proteins act in the body

Sugar can increase the size of the liver by making the liver cells divide

Sugar can increase the amount of liver fat

Sugar can increase kidney size and produce pathological changes in the kidney

Sugar can damage the pancreas

Sugar can increase the body's fluid retention

Sugar is enemy #1 of the bowel movement

Sugar can cause myopia (nearsightedness)

Sugar can compromise the lining of the capillaries

Sugar can make the tendons more brittle

Sugar can cause headaches, including migraine

Sugar plays a role in pancreatic cancer in women

Sugar can adversely affect school children's grades and cause learning disorders

Sugar can cause an increase in delta, alpha, and theta brain waves

Sugar can cause depression

Sugar increases the risk of gastric cancer

Sugar and cause dyspepsia (indigestion)

Sugar can increase your risk of getting gout

Sugar can increase the levels of glucose in an oral glucose tolerance test over the ingestion of complex carbohydrates

Sugar can increase the insulin responses in humans consuming high-sugar diets compared to low sugar diets

High refined sugar diet reduces learning capacity

Sugar can cause less effective functioning of two blood proteins, albumin, and lipoproteins, which may reduce the body’s ability to handle fat and cholesterol

Sugar can contribute to Alzheimer’s disease

Sugar can cause platelet adhesiveness

Sugar can cause hormonal imbalance; some hormones become underactive and others become overactive

Sugar can lead to the formation of kidney stones

Sugar can lead to the hypothalamus to become highly sensitive to a large variety of stimuli

Sugar can lead to dizziness

Diets high in sugar can cause free radicals and oxidative stress

High sucrose diets of subjects with peripheral vascular disease significantly increases platelet adhesion

High sugar diet can lead to biliary tract cancer

Sugar feeds cancer

High sugar consumption of pregnant adolescents is associated with a twofold increased risk for delivering a small-for-gestational-age (SGA) infant

High sugar consumption can lead to substantial decrease in gestation duration among adolescents

Sugar slows food's travel time through the gastrointestinal tract

Sugar increases the concentration of bile acids in stools and bacterial enzymes in the colon

Sugar increases estradiol (the most potent form of naturally occurring estrogen) in men

Sugar combines and destroys phosphatase, an enzyme, which makes the process of digestion more dificult

Sugar can be a risk factor of gallbladder cancer

Sugar is an addictive substance

Sugar can be intoxicating, similar to alcohol

Sugar can exacerbate PMS

Sugar given to premature babies can affect the amount of carbon dioxide they produce

Decrease in sugar intake can increase emotional stability

The body changes sugar into 2 to 5 times more fat in the bloodstream than it does starch

The rapid absorption of sugar promotes excessive food intake in obese subjects

Sugar can worsen the symptoms of children with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)

Sugar adversely affects urinary electrolyte composition

Sugar can slow down the ability of the adrenal glands to function

Sugar has the potential of inducing abnormal metabolic processes in a normal healthy individual and to promote chronic degenerative diseases

I.Vs (intravenous feedings) of sugar water can cut off oxygen to the brain
High sucrose intake could be an important risk factor in lung cancer

Sugar increases the risk of polio

High sugar intake can cause epileptic seizures

Sugar causes high blood pressure in obese people

In Intensive Care Units: Limiting sugar saves lives

Sugar may induce cell death

Sugar may impair the physiological homeostasis of many systems in living organisms

In juvenile rehabilitation camps, when children were put on a low sugar diet, there was a 44% drop in antisocial behavior

Sugar can cause gastric cancer

Sugar dehydrates newborns

Sugar can cause gum disease

Sugar increases the estradiol in young men

Sugar can cause low birth weight babies

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:23 AM
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23. Even though it is essential to life, too much dihydrogen monoxide is bad too.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:31 AM
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24. This only refers to added sugar. Fruit and veggie sugar is fine.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 10:33 AM by rainy
It's the refined powder sugar and corn syrups etc... that are so harmful.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:58 PM
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40. Please define "veggie sugar"--
I can only think of about two vegetables that have any.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:06 AM
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66. all veggies have sugars
in the form of carbs

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:37 AM
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25. There is nothing good about white refined sugar. Not essential to life.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:03 PM
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41. "Sugar increases the risk of polio"
Ironically the polio vaccine was delivered on a sugar cube.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:57 PM
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86. + 1000
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 10:49 AM
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26. Extremem Nannyism at best. Have to wonder what those with blood sugar problems are going to do.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:14 AM
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27. we have a diabetes and obesity epidemic
'blood sugar problems' are not a prescription for donuts.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:23 AM
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28. Diabetics carry sweets for a reason, The assumption by the schools that they should intervene
in this area is silly. Make good food available and not selling junk is one thing. Dictating what is allowed to be consumed is another
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:31 AM
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29. where exactly is it stated that this school is intervening in diabetic treatment?
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 02:12 PM
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47. The headline.
My diabetic daughter carries honey packets, a tube of cake icing, and some kind of glucose tablets, just in case her blood sugar gets too low (it happens, even with an insulin pump).

If they disallow *ALL* sweets, I would presume those would be included.

At the very least we would have to get her medical form resubmitted, which can take weeks for the to evaluate and approve.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:53 PM
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55. I think you are presuming a lot
and you have no facts that indicate that for some reason this school system is putting diabetic children at risk. While you can claim that there is no exception for diabetics, I am fairly confident this is not the case.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 01:01 AM
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62. My presumption is based on the link in the OP...I have nothing further to go on. n/t
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 02:24 PM
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48. yeah well, not all types of diabetes have the same cause or work the same
Type I diabetes (formerly called "juvenile diabetes") can't be controlled/cured with diet and exercise, the pancreas creates NO insulin and so insulin must be injected several times a day (or be delivered by a medical device under the skin). When the person gets too little insulin for their needs they just take more, but when they get too much they MUST ingest something to bring their blood glucose levels up out of the danger zone without delay; candy is very effective at this.

(I am married to a Type I diabetic)

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:54 PM
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56. and again, where is it stated that diabetics are not managed separately?
If in fact this proposal is putting diabetics at risk it would be criminal. I rather suspect it isn't.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:12 AM
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67. Where is it stated they *are* handled separately? n/t
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:37 AM
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31. Good, then if they're eating 75% of sweets at home, this will help even the kids out.
unfortunately most parents have other things to worry about rather than their kids health. Therefore, the schools have to do what they can before kids start having heart attacks in high school from their obesity.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 11:41 AM
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32. Not sure how they can "confiscate" food brought from home.
Sure, they can not serve sweets or make them available, but I don't think they can prevent someone from bringing their own choices of food.

This school district must have a budget surplus, because they will be spending it defending against a lawsuit, I'm sure.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:01 PM
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34. This will be great for the Dem Party
"WE, not you, know what is best for you, so shut up and live like WE tell you to live," sure brings the pro votes out come election time.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:48 PM
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37. In the interest of fairness, the Republicans do exactly the same thing..
On different subjects perhaps but they are all hot and bothered to shove their religion down the throat of kids in school as just one example.

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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:29 PM
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44. Very true
but what pisses the majority of voters off more, dictating how they live or the word God?

This kind of nosy busybody crap just gives them more ammunition to use.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:58 PM
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87. or lording over women's uteruses
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:27 PM
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57. You DO realize that the "Dem Party" had nothing to do with this
decision, or other decisions in that affect school districts across the land.

LOCAL SCHOOL BOARDS are the ones that determine what takes place within each individual school district!

I realize that for people like Sarah Palin, and apparently you as well, it's so much easier to blame one particularly visible "boogey-man" for these policies, when they in fact have not one thing to do with it.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 10:57 AM
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63. You DO realize which party almost always gets the blame
for ridiculous things like this, don't you?

You DO realize which party effectivly uses such nosy and intrusive things like this with 'they want to control your lives,' don't you?

If you haven't realized it yet, you will.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:02 AM
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65. Right-wingers will always accuse Democrats of everything bad.
Won't they?
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:08 PM
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78. Yes they will
which is why we should not give them any ammo that can be used to prove their point. Espeically stupid crap like this.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:45 PM
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84. "We should"
:eyes:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:13 AM
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69. Who do you feel is to blame for that?
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:13 PM
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80. The "I know what is best for you"
board members and politicians. If they stopped making rules and passing laws designed to create their own personal version of fairness, healthy, safety etc..., all in order to make themselves feel better, stupid crap like this could never be used.
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Zanzobar Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:29 PM
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36. The ban on student drug use is working, and so will this.
Whatabuncha maroons.
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 12:54 PM
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38. They've pretty much done that here. EXCEPT they still service sugary crap cereal at
school breakfast etc. But we are restricted when it comes to bake sales and fundraisers and the kids aren't allowed to bring cake or cookies or anything for the class.

A lot of the teachers seem to break the rules quite often.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:04 PM
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42. So will they have draconian "zero tolerance" policies for sweets?
Suspending some kid for a week for bringing a twinkie or a roll of lifesavers from home?

This will probably get as idiotic as the suspensions for kids with nail clippers and aspirin.

I heard rumor of some school that's banned pencils and pens from students... if they're required for an activity, the teacher will issue and collect them in class, but no kids can carry their own, because they could conceivably be used to hurt someone? I guess it is mightier than the sword.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:41 PM
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45. Can just picture the Nanny State Police going through...
kid's bagged lunches pulling the one staple that helped over 100 years worth of students to prosper and survive: peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

Maybe not the Nanny Police...maybe the Vegan Police.

Question: What about kids sucking on short lengths of sugar cane? That would be veggie sugar.

Our species would not have survived had these rules existed eons ago.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 01:57 PM
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46. Great idea, although the "No birthday cupcakes" is overkill n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:08 PM
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49. 40% obesity rate!?!?!
Wow. That's horrible.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:50 AM
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76. We are a fat-ass nation.
Look at the asses waddling by next time you're at Target or your supermarket. Obesity everywhere, and much of it in the under-18 set.
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Bettie Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:24 PM
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50. I'm a parent and I think this is stupid
I feed my kids a healthy balanced diet. It sometimes includes (gasp) processed foods and sweets.

Neither is the major portion of their diet, but they each have a favorite "bad for you" food that they get once in a while.

I would not support the school telling me what I may or may not pack in my children's lunches. I am their mother and I am able to make informed decisons on what is or is not right for my kids.

What's next? Will the schools impose Veganism on all children during school hours? Confiscate any sandwich made out of white bread?

And lastly, carrot sticks do not make a kid feel like he or she has had a treat on their birthday! Geez, let the kid have a cupcake for cryin' out loud!

And none of my three kids are fat or even close to it. Two of the three are on the skinny side of normal and the other is right in the middle.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:29 PM
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51. This is wrong on simple base reasoning
What are we teaching our kids by this? Surely we are not teaching them that they should have a balanced diet that includes desserts and tradition? When you deprive people of something they will miss use it in the future. - this will IMO make more problems in the long run. The answer is not banning but educating IMO.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:29 PM
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52. A better solution to the problem would be to ban
the addition of sugars and artificially sweet poisons into any food product that isn't intended as dessert, including beverages. Cut the addiction off where it starts.

To go along with that, the nation would need to voluntarily reduce the amount and frequency of desserts and sweet snacks...manage the national addiction wisely.
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 03:48 PM
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54. LOL how much you wanna bet there'll be a black market for sweets in the school.
Edited on Wed Dec-29-10 03:50 PM by Xicano
Human nature being what it is, and, kids often being rebellious as they are. Just watch, some enterprising kid(s) are going to see a market opportunity and smuggle candy and cup cakes to school to sell at a profit. This is what always happens in prohibition. Always.

And even if it didn't, you had just made these sweets MORE attractive to kids. Now on the way to school and on the way home from school you're going to see an increase in consumption of junk food by these kids just because they're told not to.

Nanny state ideas from people who not only don't understand what the most basic element of freedom is (autonomy over one's own body), but, also don't understand basic human nature and the rebellious nature of kids.

LOL... Dumb idea IMO.
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MrsMatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 04:48 PM
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58. BFD - the kids will be able to get their sugary crap
at least 11 meals out of 21 (at most, kids will be eating 2 meals per day at school) at home.

My daughter is a 13 year old junior high student in the district and she doesn't care - on days we send her with her lunch, she doesn't get any sweets. Our son attends pre-school - his lunch has nothing sweeter than fruit. Why subject their instructors to kids with sugar highs?

It's a non-starter in our household. When my husband and I were growing up, we had our sweets at home - not at school (except once in a while - that was called a "treat").
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:06 PM
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59. Yeah, this isn't stupid and utterly Draconian at all.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-10 05:21 PM
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61. Don't serve it...don't sell it...but don't interfere in packed lunches.
I wouldn't want anyone deciding what I can or cannot pack in a school lunch.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:00 AM
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64. In my opinion too, that is what crossed the line. -nt
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:12 AM
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68. I'm tired of my kids getting candy in classrooms as "rewards"
And that's despite the moratorium on it in the district.

Cold lunches, on the other hand, are up to the parents who send them. Let them decide. Educate, don't eradicate.

However, I've seen some kids whose lunches are nothing but prepackaged, processed, plastic-covered boxes, with a side of Doritos and Little Debbie. Yikes.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:19 PM
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82. Yawp. I know some are bad...but i agree...educate and stop telling parents how to parent.
And I'm with you...no junk rewards in class either. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:52 AM
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77. Have you seen the average packed lunch?
They might as well have NASCAR-style sponsorships on the bags for Hostess, Little Debbie, and Frito-Lay. "Little Johnny just LOVES his Hot Cheetos and Ding Dongs!"
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:16 AM
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70. So will they start
Searching Kids now?

"Open your damn lunch box! No cookies (throws them in the garbage)...Take off your jacket, lets see what you are stashing!! BUSTED, found some M&Ms in your pocket! Detention for you, and if you are caught again you will be expelled!!"


When do the TSA show up?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 11:44 AM
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72. Does anyone have a link to the actual policy?
I'm guessing it's the Wellness Policy available as pdf here: http://boe.spps.org/SECTION_V_STUDENTS2.html

The 2006 date is right for "a wellness policy that parents, school administrators and teachers agreed on — but didn’t really act on — four years ago"

But the Wellness Policy doesn't seem to say what the blogger claims it says. Of course, the Minnesota Beverage Association is upset about the elimination of sodas from school vending machines. I expect such industry groups are working fulltime to portray the Wellness Policy as the first step towards a regime in which jackbooted thugs (accompanied by snarling twinkie-sniffing dogs) rip open children's lunchboxes and confiscate their cookies, but I really doubt the portrait

And does anyone have the text of the actual letter that was sent home?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:12 PM
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79. While I'm in agreement with no sweets given out at school
(candy sales, cokes, etc), I don't like the requirement that desserts packed in kids' lunches brought from home be confiscated.

But I'm sure some nanny-stater will whine that giving kids a couple of Oreos in their lunchbox is child abuse. :eyes:

dg

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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:44 PM
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83. OK I'm seriously envisioning some dumbass...
"zero tolerance" idiot confiscating a diabetic kid's glucose tablets.


Or maybe a roll of Necco wafers the kid might use. Mr P uses them himself for occasional hypo episodes.


the world is full of idiots.




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