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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:06 PM
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Civil war pensions for the Confederacy
More can be found with google.

<http://www.ark-ives.com/documenting/confed_pensions.asp>

On April 2, 1891, with the passage of Act 91, "An act for the relief of certain soldiers of the late War Between the States" Arkansas became one of the first Southern states to grant annual pensions to its resident ex-Confederate servicemen and their widows. By common consent, Arkansas and the other former Confederate states agreed that pensions for C.S.A. service would be granted by the state in which the veteran or his widow lived at the time of application rather than by the state from which he served. Act 91 created a State Board of Pensions composed of the governor, the attorney general, and the auditor of state. Seventy-five local pension boards, one in each county, were created at the same time. Each was composed of the county judge, the sheriff, and the county clerk. These boards oversaw the granting of pensions. Some 45,000 veterans and widows of veterans received benefits under the provisions of this Act until the creation of the State Department of Public Welfare in 1939. After that date pensions were administered by that agency.

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The collection also contains applications from several dozen African Americans who saw various kinds of service during the Civil War, as well as a number of civilians who worked for the Confederate Army or government. Most inmates of the Arkansas Confederate Home were originally on the pension rolls. However, they were required to give up their pensions when they entered that institution.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:18 PM
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1. I had 1 rec a half minute ago...guess someone doesn't like
what I found. I originally thought there would be no pensions for the confederacy, so I checked with google and found I was mistaken..they did give pensions to the people who fought for the illegitimate government.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:20 PM
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2. Gave it a rec.. I knew that wouldn't last long tho
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:22 PM
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3. Thanks, there is much mis-information being floated around.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:33 PM
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5. I think the difference here is that Union soldiers received
a Federal pension through the predecessor of the Veteran's Agency. Soldiers who fought for the Confederacy were given pensions and other assistance by various state governments. I heard recently that for one Southern state (Georgia?), for years the largest item in the state budget was the purchase of prosthetic limbs.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:28 PM
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4. K&R
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:36 PM
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6. my great great grandmother collected a Civil War pension
She tried for years to collect it and finally got it at the age of 75 years. She got a whopping $7.00 a month fyi! This was in about 1910 or so.

:dem:

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:40 PM
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7. I put some of the pensions on my website and some of the
survivors waited a long time to get one and the last ones I put on were for 10 bucks a month.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:47 PM
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8. well you can add my old Indian grandmother to your list
Her husband died in 1890 best I know. She was after them for 20 years to collect this pension. I was pretty shocked to learn it was only $7.00. :(

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:54 PM
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10. My website contains info for this county only. If I branched out,
there would be no end and even keeping it county specific, it is an enormous site. Contact the county she lived in and send them the information for that county site. They would appreciate it. I have many people send me info to add to their ancestors entries. You can find the county you need at:
<http://www.usgenweb.org>
Click on the state on the left side of the screen, then find the proper county. There should be ocntact for the person who maintains that county website.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:05 PM
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14. my old grandma was born in Arkansas
Edited on Thu Dec-30-10 03:06 PM by CountAllVotes
and her parents were both born in Georgia before about 1800 or so. The family "relocated" to Arkansas c. 1835. Old grandma was born in 1836.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:14 PM
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17. Find the Arkansas site, then the county. They would be
delighted to have that information.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:17 PM
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18. I will
Luckily I have copies of the original application believe it or not! :)

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:59 PM
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12. How much would you have expected it to be?
$7 in 1910 works out to $159 in modern money.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:53 PM
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9. Went to the US Inflation Calculator
and while it does not go back before 1913, that $7 a month would be $154.71 today.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 02:55 PM
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11. Still not much.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:00 PM
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13. it sure wasn't much
My grandmother died and left my old Indian grandma with 3 kids to take care of and raise on that same $7.00 a month. :(

She died in 1921 of old age leaving behind those same 3 kids with nothing. :(

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:07 PM
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15. So did a great great grandfather of mine. It wasn't much.
Every month he signed his check over to his granddaughter (my grandmother) to help pay for her college education. Even then (1920s) it was pocket change.

She was the first woman in her family's history to earn an undergraduate degree, and also finished a Master's.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:13 PM
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16. that is a great accomplishment
Especially for a woman of that time! Good for her!

That side of my family was fairly well educated too.

As for the Civil War thing, I believe that my old grandma's husband was a Choctaw scout for the Confederacy.

Some of the wealthier Indian families from that part of the United States held slaves and were indeed quite well off.

Old grandma seems to have slipped through the cracks somewhere down the line. It is difficult to know but ironically, my cousin sent me copies of her records that were sent in to obtain that pension.

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:17 PM
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19. The last pension payment was made in -- wait for it -- 2004
That was when the last widow of a pensioner died.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 03:46 PM
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20. Black Confederate Pensioners After the Civil War
by James G. Hollandsworth Jr.

... Black southerners contributed to the Confederate war effort in four ways. First, as slaves, they provided the labor that fueled the Southern cotton economy and maintained the production of foodstuffs and other commodities. Second, slaves were rented to or drafted by the Confederate government to work on specific projects related to the South’s military infrastructure, such as bridges and railroads. Third, black southerners were part of the work force in the Confederacy’s war-related foundries, munitions factories, and mines. In addition, they transported food and war material to the front by wagon, and provided services to wounded and sick soldiers in Confederate hospitals. Last, a large number of black southerners went to war with the Confederate army as noncombatants, serving as personal servants, company cooks, and grooms.

Veterans of the Union army who were disabled as a result of their service during the Civil War were eligible for a federal pension as early 1868. However, disabled Confederate veterans had to wait until their Confederate allies regained political control of the Southern states after Reconstruction to apply for pensions sponsored by the individual states. Although Confederate pensions were limited initially to disabled veterans, it was not long before eligibility was expanded to include veterans who were poor and in need. North Carolina and Florida led the way in 1885, and by 1898 all of the states that had seceded from the Union offered pensions to indigent Confederate veterans. Missouri and Kentucky followed suit in 1911 and 1912, respectively. These states, with the exception of Missouri, also extended coverage to indigent widows of veterans, as long as they did not remarry.

African Americans who had served with the Confederate army were not included – except in Mississippi, which had included African Americans in the state’s pension program from its beginning in 1888. It was not until 1921 that another state extended the eligibility for pensions to African Americans who had served as servants with the Confederate army. Unfortunately, black southerners who applied for Confederate pensions in the 1920s were, for the most part, very old men. Consequently, the number of black pensioners was small compared to the large number of Confederate veterans in the states that had allowed for pensions decades earlier. For example, Mississippi, which was the only state to include African Americans from its program’s beginning in 1888, had 1,739 black pensioners; North Carolina, which first offered pensions in 1927 had 121; South Carolina, which first offered pensions in 1923, had 328; Tennessee, which first offered pensions in 1921, had 195; and Virginia, which first offered pensions in 1924, had 424 black pensioners ...

http://mshistory.k12.ms.us/articles/289/black-confederate-pensioners-after-the-civil-war

Confederate pension records are commonly cited by neo-confederate revisionists as evidence of black military service on behalf of the secessionist states during the civil war. But the pension records do not support that view. What they mostly illuminate, instead, is the political climate of the 1920s, in which poor elderly African-Americans found it politically advantageous to claim their service to their enlisted masters as service to the confederacy

In fact, the confederacy for ideological reasons rejected any possibility of black soldiers, until defeat was immediately at hand: beginning in March 1865 (but not before), a very small number of blacks (perhaps 40 or 50) were actually trained and armed as confederate soldiers. In Mississippi, where the black pensions began earliest, about 55% of the confederate era population was black, a distribution far different from that in the pension records. About 40% of the confederacy's population was black; the confederate army enlisted perhaps 0.5-2.0 million soldiers, so if there were any black enthusiasm for the confederacy and any corresponding confederate interest in enlisting blacks, one might have expected 0.2-0.8 million black confederate soldiers -- instead we have this tiny handful of black pension records
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-10 04:03 PM
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21. This might interest you and others...
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