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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:22 AM
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I have been forced to watch MSM tee vee for the last few days
because my son tore his ACL and I have spent a lot of time in Hospital waiting rooms with even sleazier gossip mags.
I have noticed that there has been a lot of publicity given to the use of pain meds in America. As a person who used to misuse these meds I have found these reports interesting but very biased, depending (IMO) on who is influencing ($$) the report.
I have been in the construction industry for over 30 years. Fifteen of which were as a Union Carpenter. During this time (and my days as a "street racer" with a few bad accidents survived) I have received some serious injuries including arthritis and degenerative disc disease, resulting in multiple pinched nerves and sciatica.
A decade or so ago, I found myself, after years of spinal taps to relieve the pain and allow me to keep working, ( counting on the eventual SS disability which keeps being denied) on opioid pain meds because the spinal taps were no longer working. I hated them at first, they made me sick and stoned, which interfered with my work. I preferred a few shots and beers after work... Then I found myself addicted to the pain meds and I became pretty worthless compared to the "84 hour a week" carpenter that I was used to being. So, I went to rehab and determined to never take another opiate based pain med again. I was successful after a lot of suffering and determination. I began taking non-inflammatories. Celebrex helped the most, and it also caused (IMO) my first heart attack. This was before the study between celebrex and heart disease was released. My (terrific) Dr. at the time, advised me to stop the celebrex after I confided that it did give me chest pain whenever I took it.
So now, I was sober (alcohol and heart meds do not mix for me), adamant in my refusal to start taking opiate based pain relievers again and eventually, almost a cripple. Years earlier, I had refused suggested spine surgery because I had witnessed many tradesmen suffer even more after their "cures" and I did not want to (could not afford to) miss months of work while I recuperated.
This Dr. was responsible for creating a a program designed to get people off of drugs and he spread "the gospel" of being drug-free throughout 3 counties. He set up free clinics and was (he passed on from an accident) tireless in his help for the chemically addicted.
After one visit, when I was obviously in a lot of pain and I had slowed way down on work because of the pain, Dr. Patton spoke to me "man-to-man." He said that he could not stand to watch me suffer and there was a way that I could get relief, return to most of the hours that I previously worked and (most importantly) not be an addict.
We spoke for over an hour. He wanted me to return to using opiate based painkillers. I was amazed and a little mad. Then he defined the difference to me, between being "addicted" and being "dependent." I could easily relate to much of what he said because my Cardiologist had me on over a dozen pills a day to control my heart disease. But I was determined to never be an addict again, and my conviction was as strong as my pain. Eventually, he convinced me to go back on my painkillers and take them only as prescribed. He explained how I would become immune to the effects of the painkillers eventually and instead of taking more, I should go on a "drug holiday", and stop taking the medicines for a while and my body would lose its tolerance and then I could safely resume the prescribed amount. Only because of his compassion and and work in the community to stop addiction, did I agree to this, even though it hurt to even walk or sit. I have 4 children and I did not want to become an addict again. Inwardly I cried, despaired, you name it. I felt I had lost a long fought battle.
Amazingly, shortly after I took Dr. Patton's advice, my pain decreased substantially. I only took the prescribed amount of medicine and the (stoner) side effects were minimal. I still take "drug holidays" (which produce "flu-like" symptoms, that are bearable) and since his passing and my having to find a new Dr. (it took me a few different tries to find one I was comfortable with) I have had some Dr.'s tell me that I "have to come off the narcotics" and others try to increase the type (to oxy-contin....no thanks) or amount, based upon my MRI's and prognosis from specialists. They tell me that now my sciatic nerve has been pinched off for so long that surgery and the returning blood flow would not help, I waited too many years.
IMO, if everyone could find a true, Dr. that was not in his occupation for the money or prestige, and was really knowledgeable about pain meds (and of course, a patient who knew that he/she did not want to be an addict), then all of this (very detrimental) bias against patients who take pain meds and Dr,'s who prescribe them could be avoided. A lot of very good Dr.'s could be spared prosecution (there ARE many who prefer to PROFIT even at the expense of their patients lives)and many informed patients that truly need the pain med's would not be seen as "drug seekers" and often ostracized and refused employment, fired from their jobs or imprisoned (not in America...lol..).
Education, for the Dr.'s and the patients, is the most valuable tool available, behind compassion and mutual respect. Still, when I have to go to a new Dr. or Specialist, I occasionally hear about my "drug abuse" (which shows their lack of knowledge) or they will sometimes blame my symptom's on my use of painkillers (much easier than actually trying to diagnose). Fortunately, my Cardiologist(s) have always understood the need to not add extra stress to my heart and they have always told me to make sure I take the meds as prescribed. Of course, in America, they are afraid to write you a prescription for those meds. because they do not want the DEA to target them. I had one Cardiologist when I was working post-Katrina to help clean-up and re-build, write me a prescription for my pain meds because he realized that I had not been able to fly home that month and get my prescriptions. He told he was worried about the consequences but he knew that I needed and was "dependant" not "addicted" to them.
I believe that government definitely has its place. I do not believe that its place is arresting and prosecuting innocent people who abide by the law. Nor should those same people fear their governments actions.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:27 AM
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1. That's a huge paragraph to read, if you want it to be read.
I'm sure you have something important to say, so please use some paragraph breaks to make it easier for old eyes to read.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:36 AM
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2. move down here to Florida
pain pills grow on trees down here.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:12 AM
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7. In Florida my husband seems to get a prescription for pain every time he goes to
see a doctor. Mostly they are pain killers that he cannot tolerate and he doesn't fill them. I go to some of the same doctors he does, and I am almost never given pain meds, even when I need them. If I am given pain meds, they always seem to be for the ones I've told the doctor are too strong for me -- they make me so ill I'd rather take the pain. Weird they way it goes here.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:24 AM
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9. If you are really in pain --

-- and they seem to be too strong for you, try taking a small piece of one. Like perhaps try just taking a quarter of one. The whole trick is to find the smallest amount that will take away your pain, or at least most of it, without making you all druggy.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 12:18 PM
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11. Maybe. I worked in a pharmacy for nine years and while some medications can be
used in that way, others cannot and it is not advisable to do so.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:44 AM
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3. Huge, unreadable wall of text is huge.
And unreadable.
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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:49 AM
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4. Please put some space between your paragraphs.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 09:55 AM
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5. K&R and Many Thanks !
Very helpful explanation.

I also worry about people in chronic pain being punished for the abuses of others.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 10:27 AM
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6. Thank you for posting....
my aunt deals with terrible pain. I will send this to her. I'll copy and paste and put in paragraphs.

K and R.

I have had arthritis in both my knees since I was a teenager (I'm 58 now). I used to get prescriptions for darvon and then darvocette. Now I hear, they are considered 'bad.'

I really think TPTB just want us to suffer....they're a sadistic, evil lot. Big Pharma has lost the patents on the old painkillers so they deem them 'bad' now.

Darvocette always killed my pain and never made me whoozy. Getting good old valium (diasapam....generic) is a fight with these young doctors. Geez. When I'm in an anxious state of mind, give me a diasapam to calm down.

Fook Big Pharma....and all the other PTB.
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Worried senior Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:12 PM
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12. Darvocette
I agree that darvocette is a good medicine, I have back problems and have taken it with great results.

I don't believe them when they say a drug is all of a sudden bad for people since they've approved some very bad medications.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 01:39 PM
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13. Welcome to
DU...I see you're in WI. I hope everyone is still protesting and fighting the good fight. I'm in Ohio and we are now circulating petitions to get SB5 overruled on the ballot at our next Election in November. I think we have a good chance. I just don't understand why Teachers and Public Employees are the 'bad guys.' I don't know any millionaire teachers or firefighters.

If Big Pharma says it, I tend NOT to believe it and do my own research.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:21 AM
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8. I take pain meds too.
I've taken the same dosage for years now, and I believe I've managed to do that because I need them so much. I can't take more than I'm prescribed, because then I would run out and be in pain. I can also imagine what would happen down the line if I escalated my use -- taking more and more, until I was truly addicted, and then at some point probably having to do without. So I just take what I'm prescribed. When I run out, which I do sometimes a day or two early, I bite the bullet.

I also hate the stoner affect, and that also helps me not escalate. The whole point of taking them is to be able to function, not to get high and go to sleep. There is definitely a legitimate place for pain meds, and there are plenty of people who really need them in order to continue to function.

As much as I enjoy watching the TV show House, the whole premise that he has to be full-blown addict, with all the problems that come with genuine addiction, has always really bothered me. If you're in pain, and you take pain meds responsibly, just enough to get rid of most of the pain, but not all of it, then you don't have to become a drug addict who is living for the next fix, and hopefully you can keep leading a productive life. So as enjoyable as House is, to me it distorts the truth terribly for dramatic effect.

If I didn't have access to pain medication, I probably would have committed suicide many years ago. It's unfortunate that most people can not, or do not want to understand how pain meds can be used appropriately to do good. It's always so much easier to point the finger and condemn. If you don't need pain meds yourself, you should count yourself very fortunate, and perhaps cultivate some compassion for the many souls who do legitimately need them.

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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 11:38 AM
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10. Unreadable OP
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 06:44 PM
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14. I apologize for the appearance of the OP.
I posted this at around 5 a.m. without much sleep behind me.

I did attempt to break it up into paragraphs as you can (maybe) see the single-spaced breaks. I will use double spacing the next time.

It went longer than I intended....
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-23-11 07:56 PM
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15. Thank you, I am sure this will be very helpful to people
who are in pain and worried about becoming addicted to medication.

:kick:
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