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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 11:48 AM Jul 2020

THE TELL re: Fed Agent Forces In Cities

Here’s the tell:

“Senior DHS officials said they expect the unrest to escalate at least through the November election.”


Expect?

This is not/has never been about so-called law & order. It’s always been about interfering w the election.

Senior DHS officials said they expect the unrest to escalate at least through the November election, and noted that the protection of federal buildings falls squarely within their remit. DHS can temporarily authorize officers and agents from its other components — including Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and Customs and Border Protection (CBP) — to protect federal buildings.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/21/trump-federal-force-cities-377273


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THE TELL re: Fed Agent Forces In Cities (Original Post) kpete Jul 2020 OP
Exactly Thomas Hurt Jul 2020 #1
They aren't just protecting federal property in Portland. Grasswire2 Jul 2020 #2
They're trying to provoke violence to be used in campaign ads and by RW media. highplainsdem Jul 2020 #3
Exactly! scarletwoman Jul 2020 #25
Oh these thugs will star in campaign ads all right. And Trump isn't gonna like the result. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #35
Its Banana Republic time now. BSdetect Jul 2020 #4
Trump proving that he is a "Law and Order Republican" Chainfire Jul 2020 #5
Next- all polling places will be moved to federal buildings. milestogo Jul 2020 #6
to protect them right? Captain Zero Jul 2020 #7
Oregon votes by mail tinrobot Jul 2020 #12
This needs to be nipped in the bud -- otherwise it's 4 more years of toxic bullshit Blue Owl Jul 2020 #8
future of humanity hangs in the balance cynical_idealist Jul 2020 #9
Welcome to DU, cynical_idealist! calimary Jul 2020 #45
+1. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2020 #10
THIS. What the DHS is in effect saying is KPN Jul 2020 #21
DHS is saying "We will continue terrorizing the populace until the election." lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #36
Intimidating minorities is what they do The Wizard Jul 2020 #11
+1. Intimidate and thereby suppress the vote. GOPers can only win by cheating. nt iluvtennis Jul 2020 #39
K and R BadgerMom Jul 2020 #13
Actually, we just need to be smart about this Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #14
Good thinking The Mouth Jul 2020 #20
This is What We Should Be Doing McKim Jul 2020 #24
Yup. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #37
I've wondered about all the protesters just staying home. CaptainTruth Jul 2020 #42
I thought the same thing, ... aggiesal Jul 2020 #44
Change tactics. calimary Jul 2020 #46
Yep. kentuck Jul 2020 #15
Yet another trump administration self fulfilling prophecy? plimsoll Jul 2020 #16
Likely. moondust Jul 2020 #17
Trump will do anything to remain in power. Putin is advising him. triron Jul 2020 #18
I think BLM needs zentrum Jul 2020 #19
Militias as fake secret police keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #22
Nah, not overweight enough. Mr.Bill Jul 2020 #29
I'm glad someone has pointed this out. I've been wondering about this as well. scarletwoman Jul 2020 #30
CBP is a far-right militia. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #38
This is absolutely about the election peggysue2 Jul 2020 #23
He wants to be known for law and order? dickthegrouch Jul 2020 #53
And those idiot mercenaries are happy to be used lunatica Jul 2020 #26
Eric Prince and his militia don't care as long as they get paid. pazzyanne Jul 2020 #31
Eric Prince and his sister are evil incarnate lunatica Jul 2020 #47
Exactly! pazzyanne Jul 2020 #50
That's always a source of worry. lunatica Jul 2020 #51
Well sure, that's what they expect. Sogo Jul 2020 #27
Yes Hekate Jul 2020 #28
Keep in mind, they are also assuredly sending in their own agents provocateurs to commit scarletwoman Jul 2020 #32
They don't even try to pretend anymore. Blatant, in-your-face coup. niyad Jul 2020 #33
Keep The Eye On The Ball DallasNE Jul 2020 #34
Peace will reign throughout the land --- on November 4th. 3Hotdogs Jul 2020 #40
That may not happen so quickly lunatica Jul 2020 #48
The lawlessness is in the Pubbies White House. bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #41
Next move tiptonic Jul 2020 #43
Putin would just as soon replace the useful idiot lunatica Jul 2020 #49
Operation: Legend... in his own mind C_U_L8R Jul 2020 #52

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
2. They aren't just protecting federal property in Portland.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jul 2020

They are moving off federal property when they kidnap citizens off the street into unmarked vehicles.

Their "mandate" is not what they are doing.

Chainfire

(17,526 posts)
5. Trump proving that he is a "Law and Order Republican"
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 12:23 PM
Jul 2020

Part of his government financed campaign. Similar in nature to the renewed daily Corona briefings. (free press time)

tinrobot

(10,893 posts)
12. Oregon votes by mail
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:31 PM
Jul 2020

Won't work in Portland.

Besides, states have control over polling places. That would only work if states cede this power. Maybe in Florida or Georgia.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
45. Welcome to DU, cynical_idealist!
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:56 PM
Jul 2020

Yep. That's no exaggeration.

This whole trump "thing" is like a virus. A virus WORSE than COVID-19.

But there is an antidote, AND a vaccine, all rolled into one action:

VOTE, DAMMIT!

KPN

(15,642 posts)
21. THIS. What the DHS is in effect saying is
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:58 PM
Jul 2020

the protests are all part of the Democratic Party strategy to manipulate the election. It’s bullshit! It’s projection as usual. They are doing exactly what they “project”! Fucking insidious.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. DHS is saying "We will continue terrorizing the populace until the election."
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:30 PM
Jul 2020

And the populace is going to make that asshole eat his words.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
11. Intimidating minorities is what they do
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jul 2020

The Republican underlying message (in Republican code) since Goldwater ran in 64 has been: "We'll keep the coloreds in their place."

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
13. K and R
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jul 2020

This has been obvious to thinking people from the get. We Dems need action and a plan to fight their criminal corruption.

Mr.Bill

(24,274 posts)
14. Actually, we just need to be smart about this
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jul 2020

and change our tactics. They are all manned up for a fight in the streets, we should just disappear from the streets and leave them standing there by them selves all dressed up to play army with nobody to play with. Meanwhile, we do something different. Make it a cyber war. Or jam their radio transmissions. How about stop all deliveries to federal buildings. No local ID? No service at a restaurant. The possibilities are limitless.

CaptainTruth

(6,583 posts)
42. I've wondered about all the protesters just staying home.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jul 2020

Trump's thugs would be all dressed up with nothing to do.

And it would take away the right wing media hysteria of "Antifa rioters & criminals."

Just leave all the armed thugs standing around with nothing to do. Honestly I think that's the best tactic, escalating the protests is just playing into Trump's hand, it's what he wants.

aggiesal

(8,910 posts)
44. I thought the same thing, ...
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:55 PM
Jul 2020

but you know that Pendejo45 in the WH will use that to his advantage.

He'll say in some ad, that he got the police to stop all the protesting. He's the Law & Order Pendejo.

I believe the tactic should be show up and just sit on the ground.
Make noise, be silent, doesn't matter. Just show up and sit. Occupy every space possible.
It's harder to use video of peaceful protesters being attacked by a para-military police force while sitting on the ground.
Just go and watch a para-military parade.

calimary

(81,194 posts)
46. Change tactics.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:01 PM
Jul 2020

Have to out-think them and out-strategize them.

Especially as they spread. Like the "virus" they are.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
16. Yet another trump administration self fulfilling prophecy?
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:42 PM
Jul 2020

Most corrupt election ever here we come.

He did promise us.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
17. Likely.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jul 2020

If nothing more than: "The Law and Order President or these crazy Antifa terrorists: The choice is yours on election day."

But it may be worse than that including possible intimidation/interference/other authoritarian tactics.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
19. I think BLM needs
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jul 2020

…to abruptly change tactics. No more demonstrations so it's eerily quiet.

Meantime, all efforts and resources and people should be bent towards TOV. The mom's and white allies can go with IPoc to register people, make sure they have polling place transport etc etc.

This would be sudden redirection for all outrage.

As soon as elections occur and Joe wins—they can go back to using the entire tool box.

Because this is escalating into a full blown RW coup. We need to out maneuver them—not just keep doing the very thing that allows them to shut down the whole country.

Mr.Bill

(24,274 posts)
29. Nah, not overweight enough.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jul 2020

Most of the militia people I've seen would collapse from exhaustion if they put on all that gear and tried to walk more than half a block.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
30. I'm glad someone has pointed this out. I've been wondering about this as well.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jul 2020

Especially since we've already seen plenty of examples of the rw militia types parading around in military-looking camo outfits.

What's to stop them from joining in on the fun? The CPB guys are already right wing assholes themselves, they'd probably welcome the wannaabes' assistance.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
23. This is absolutely about the election
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jul 2020

Trump has said repeatedly he wants to be the Law and Order President. What better way to realize that insignia than stir things up, throw your goons into "poorly governed" Democratic cities expecting pushback and demonstrating how unruly these cities truly are?

It's the same playbook: cry how terrible an issue is, go in make it worse, then leave the rubble behind while declaring a stunning (and false) win. Doesn't matter whether it's trade agreements, regulation, relationships with the world's dictators or . . . violence in American streets.

Same old, same old.

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
53. He wants to be known for law and order?
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jul 2020

He can damned well stick those tiny hands out to be fitted for special handcuffs (preferably coated with superglue).
If he’s prepared to submit to the law then he’ll have a chance of enforcing it. Otherwise it’s rank hypocrisy.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
26. And those idiot mercenaries are happy to be used
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

against their fellow Americans.

Traitors to the core.

pazzyanne

(6,546 posts)
31. Eric Prince and his militia don't care as long as they get paid.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jul 2020

I really hate these people, and that makes me sad. Hate is the foundation of the Republican party platform.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
47. Eric Prince and his sister are evil incarnate
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jul 2020

Imagine what our children would be turned into if they took over! The thought makes me want to throw up.

pazzyanne

(6,546 posts)
50. Exactly!
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jul 2020

I have nieces and nephews with school aged children. They don't seem to be focused on this at all. It worries me that what is happening at the present times seems to be flying under their radar.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
51. That's always a source of worry.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:43 PM
Jul 2020

Most people we encounter are not like we are here in DU. For me it was always a source of worry. They think we just spend too much time worrying and we should stop watching the news. It’s scary when things are the way they are now.

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
27. Well sure, that's what they expect.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

It's what they're PLANNING.

If the protesters really want to protest, they should stay miles away from the federal buildings and Trump's goons. Then Trump wouldn't have any footage to splash across Faux Tee Vee. "Law and Order Candidate," my arse....He's the sales and marketing candidate and this is what he's trying to sell now.....DON'T BUY IT!! And certainly DON'T PARTICIPATE IN IT!!!!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
32. Keep in mind, they are also assuredly sending in their own agents provocateurs to commit
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:25 PM
Jul 2020

the property damage and violence necessary to create the pretext for the trumptroops to invade.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
34. Keep The Eye On The Ball
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:27 PM
Jul 2020

This is the distraction of the day. The ACLU has already filed action in the courts. That wheel turns slowly and may not be heard until after the November election.

The Supreme Court in the 1970's ruled that preventative detention is illegal so what Wolf is saying is clearly wrong. Also, the charter of the DHS does not permit the activity we are seeing. Tom Ridge, first Sec of DHS: “The (DHS) department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism. It was not established to be the president’s personal militia.”. So what we are seeing is another case of deflection because none of this can stand. Trump is just riling up his law & ORDER base and it has the benefit of deflecting away from the disaster called COVID-45, er 19.

What the "moms" in Portland are doing is quite effective so keep it up. Their numbers have swelled about 4-fold since the jack-booted thugs showed up so keep up that pressure. Naked Athena stopped them in their tracks too - but I am not advocating that. Just an example that other things work too.

I'm more for stay the course rather than abandon what is currently going on.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
48. That may not happen so quickly
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jul 2020

All those angry stupid people will still be here and they’ll be even angrier.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
41. The lawlessness is in the Pubbies White House.
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jul 2020

Republicans are being nicknamed "Pubbies" on Twitter today ... I think it fits, little snowflakes, coddled, trodden upon, oppressed, and delinquent.

tiptonic

(765 posts)
43. Next move
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 02:52 PM
Jul 2020

Could Benedict donalds next move be, to ask Putin for help in controlling our streets? Might as well, he gets away with everything else. Where can I find a Russian dictionary?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
49. Putin would just as soon replace the useful idiot
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jul 2020

with someone like Eric Prince who would “suppress us right”. I’m sure Putin thinks Trump is a drooling idiot.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
52. Operation: Legend... in his own mind
Wed Jul 22, 2020, 07:24 PM
Jul 2020

These bullshit overreaching tactics will, like everything else Trump does, fail miserably. But, also typical of Trump, many will be harmed in the process.

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