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Can some explain equity based math for me? (Original Post) ripcord Oct 2023 OP
From what I have seen, ExciteBike66 Oct 2023 #1
Math fads Effete Snob Oct 2023 #2
Charlie Schulz did a comic on it... malthaussen Oct 2023 #5
I remember Sally doing her times tables; A HERETIC I AM Oct 2023 #7
Yeah, she had a lot of trouble with math... malthaussen Oct 2023 #8
It's more about the pedagogy than the math. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #3
What, you mean "If Joe buys 12 dozen oranges at 20 cents apiece..." malthaussen Oct 2023 #4
Well how are you supposed to figure out... MiHale Oct 2023 #10
Given that oranges cost .39 cents each now? Lancero Oct 2023 #15
Among various other things Zeitghost Oct 2023 #6
I read an article just now by a Stanford math professor ripcord Oct 2023 #9
I imagine these things come in cycles. malthaussen Oct 2023 #13
I have the same concerns Zeitghost Oct 2023 #14
when my son was in a gifted class in grade school, the teacher told me that demigoddess Oct 2023 #11
Just as in the Humanities, there is a concern about pupils reading material... malthaussen Oct 2023 #12

ExciteBike66

(2,416 posts)
1. From what I have seen,
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:21 AM
Oct 2023

It is about not teaching math as a one size fits all subject. Every class has kids at different levels of understanding, and the teacher tries to include all of them in the learning so that no one just gives up and believes they are "bad" at math.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
2. Math fads
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:32 AM
Oct 2023

When I started in a public elementary school in Bedrock, Montessori methods were all the rage.

Then, we got rid of the sticks and tactile nonsense and it was all about "set theory".

After that it was "new math" and teaching concepts over computation.

I don't know how many other iterations there have been of the "latest and greatest way of teaching math".

Math teaching theories come. Math teaching theories go. Kids will learn math. Life will go on.

I still think that people who study mathematics, education, child development and mathematics education, are probably the best positioned to decide how we are teaching math this year.

Can we PLEASE stop making education a punching bag for people who clearly have too much time to worry about other peoples' jobs?

malthaussen

(17,246 posts)
5. Charlie Schulz did a comic on it...
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:43 AM
Oct 2023

... back when "New Math" was taking over. Sally was just learning arithmetic, and had to deal with all the "sets, matching," etc stuff. She gets more and more frustrated, and in the gag panel cries "All I wanna know is how much is two and two?"

-- Mal

A HERETIC I AM

(24,386 posts)
7. I remember Sally doing her times tables;
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:51 AM
Oct 2023

"One times one is onedy one.

Two times two is twoty two.

Three times three is three threety three."


malthaussen

(17,246 posts)
8. Yeah, she had a lot of trouble with math...
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:54 AM
Oct 2023

In another one, Charlie is coaching her on multiplication, asks something like "how much is seven times six," and she goes off the edge, with "twiddly-two? Quddelly-poo?" and other such... Charlie stops her with "Now you're just guessing."

-- Mal

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,547 posts)
3. It's more about the pedagogy than the math.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:32 AM
Oct 2023

Basically, it's meant to prioritize making math more relevant to everyday situations.

malthaussen

(17,246 posts)
4. What, you mean "If Joe buys 12 dozen oranges at 20 cents apiece..."
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:41 AM
Oct 2023

... is not relevant to everyday situations?

-- Mal

MiHale

(9,824 posts)
10. Well how are you supposed to figure out...
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:28 PM
Oct 2023

The subset of oranges that are slightly green compared to the maybe equal or not subset of that subset that are not worth 20 cents.
You’ll never know if you are ripped off or not.

Lancero

(3,023 posts)
15. Given that oranges cost .39 cents each now?
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 04:12 PM
Oct 2023

We kind of need to account for inflation, if we want these math questions to be relevant in everyday situiations.

Zeitghost

(3,910 posts)
6. Among various other things
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 11:49 AM
Oct 2023

It means not segregating kids by ability in different math classes. All kids through 10th grade will learn the same material, regardless of ability.

I'm not sure a one sized fits all curriculum in math is the best idea. It's going to leave kids with more advanced skills bored and behind their natural rate of progress while those who need additional assistance struggling to keep up.

 

ripcord

(5,553 posts)
9. I read an article just now by a Stanford math professor
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:15 PM
Oct 2023

He said they were removing access to Algebra 1 from eigth graders. How are they supposed to prepare for a STEM education and career when they can't take the classes they need? It is hard enough for them to finish all the math classes they need now.

malthaussen

(17,246 posts)
13. I imagine these things come in cycles.
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:51 PM
Oct 2023

When I was in high school 50 years ago, the district had just decided to remove all "honors" distinction from the class sections, even though they actually kept the classes for the advanced College Prep courses a bit harder than the others. (formerly, an "A" in one of these classes was worth more to GPA than an "A" in a lesser section) It was all about homogenization and not having anyone feel left out, inferior, or superior, either.

Seems as though they threw that concept away after a bit in the pursuit of excellence and AP courses. Now, perhaps, the wheel is coming full circle. But primary and secondary education are still cut-throat competitive in pursuit of ratings that will make them seem like "good" schools, as though education were a matter of a score on a test, and not the mastering of the material.

-- Mal

Zeitghost

(3,910 posts)
14. I have the same concerns
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 03:06 PM
Oct 2023

And so do many in the STEM fields.

Allowing kids who can to get ahead is not seen as equitable.

demigoddess

(6,646 posts)
11. when my son was in a gifted class in grade school, the teacher told me that
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 12:47 PM
Oct 2023

they were holding the kids back in math because they didn't want 7th grade math books in a grade school. Maybe something like that.

malthaussen

(17,246 posts)
12. Just as in the Humanities, there is a concern about pupils reading material...
Fri Oct 6, 2023, 01:44 PM
Oct 2023

... that is "appropriate" to their ages. What a concept. Why, when I was a tad, I read anything I could get my hands on, and look at me now!

-- Mal

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