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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTed Lieu is the best.
Mockery is the best way to deal with these clowns.
Lovie777
(12,454 posts)the sane people already know it's bullshit. Non-citizens can't vote, duh.
raging moderate
(4,322 posts)They think they are the only real Americans. They think they are the only real human beings. They think they are the rightful Master Race, carrying "the White Man's Burden." They think their particular bunch of white racists should be bossing everybody else around.
I remember my surprise when Trump vowed to end "corruption" in the United States. Then I realized he was talking about the increase of non-"Aryan" genes in the U.S. population. Donald Trump, Mike Johnson, and their fellow cult members are outraged that people like them are no longer the undisputed "master race" in our country. That is why Donald Trump dyes his hair bright blond. That is why Mike Johnson says he knows "intuitively" that noncitizens are voting. He means people who do not "deserve" to be citizens. He also means "traitor" white people with Northern European genes who do not help to keep the "inferior" races in "their place."
Ray Bruns
(4,135 posts)But some people are saying.
Taraman
(376 posts)or so I hear
erronis
(15,513 posts)They could not get a job on any stage other than one paid for by their behind-the-stage donors.
They aren't funny. They aren't even dumb enough to be funny. They spout words as if they are reading from an brain-implanted teleprompter.
I'm used to politicians that lie outside of both sides of their mouths at the same time and then go home or to the club and have a good laugh about what shit they just said.
These (r)epuglicons with the brain implants don't even know how to have a good laugh. The only sphincter they know how to use to show emotion is at the lower end - usually associated with shit, but since they are trumpists, also associated with giving the old boy a good time.
SWBTATTReg
(22,289 posts)elections. Why does it seem like every time there's an issue, it's the republicans that are causing the issues?
PatSeg
(47,810 posts)Once again republicans accusing Democrats of doing what republicans are already doing.
NJCher
(35,872 posts)An imaginary world. They couldnt get elected in the world most of us see.
Bizarre way to live if you ask me.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,623 posts)Mr. Evil
(2,868 posts)It's to distract us from their actual nefarious objectives.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,623 posts)Conjuay
(1,456 posts)Where can I get a pink suit like that?
catbyte
(34,574 posts)but alas, it's a woman.
encouraging to see that Mr. Johnson is busy doing the peoples' work. /s
Mr. Evil
(2,868 posts)Simple minds... simple pleasures.
OverBurn
(977 posts)70sEraVet
(3,575 posts)is because of political stunts like this, that serve ZERO purpose!
okaawhatever
(9,479 posts)good or reasonable purpose.
I understand what u meant, I just couldnt resist pointing out the GOPs anti democratic stunt of the day.
Upthevibe
(8,122 posts)Thanks or this post!
Ted Lieu is my guy! He's the best!
catbyte
(34,574 posts)I like my rep, too, (Elissa Slotkin) but she's not as wickedly funny. At least not on Twitter.
Upthevibe
(8,122 posts)Your rep, Elissa Slotkin, is awesome too!
I remember a few years ago after another shooting, the whole "thoughts and prayers" bulls**t was brought up in congress. Ted Lieu left the session and did a live FB feed calling out how sick he was of never being able to pass common sense gun laws! He was wonderful!
I wish he'd been born in the U.S. so he could run or President. I just adore him
IcyPeas
(21,964 posts)and resurrected from the dead....
he can't prove that either. but he read it in an old book.
ancianita
(36,254 posts)Last edited Thu May 9, 2024, 01:49 PM - Edit history (1)
The "old book" has over 5,000 documents that ground its veracity and historicity -- more than any ancient text on Earth -- dating from the 2nd Century BCE. Of the 12 apostles, 2 were NT gospel writers about what they all eyewitnessed when the "old guy" walked on water.
The "old book's" 66 books are the most fact-based collection of ancient writings in existence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible
Re your two pejorative points, Johnson is in alignment with most Christians who know they and Johnson already have proof.
fyi, all our former presidents were Christian. (For that matter so is Rachel Maddow.)
Because there is a U.S. historical context...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_politics_in_the_United_States
I'ma throw this in re Christians in science and technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
IcyPeas
(21,964 posts)9 years of parochial school was enough.
ancianita
(36,254 posts)I only spent four years across two parochial schools.
It wasn't until I was in public school that I realized how much the historical Jesus stuck with me. He was a master teacher. So I decided by 7th grade junior high to also become a teacher; later got a Masters and taught for 35 years -- 20 of them being an atheist, the history and politics of my students' world remaining front and center -- but still remembered why I'd decided to commit to teaching.
Otterdaemmerung
(79 posts)One of course entitled to believe what they like, and I don't mean to start a religious discussion, just stating the scholarly consensus.
"Of the 12 apostles, 2 were NT gospel writers about what they all eyewitnessed"
Not true. Jesus and his disciples were illiterate , rural-based laborers who spoke Aramaic, whereas all the NT writings were written in Greek. Acts 4:13 states that Peter and John were illiterate (Greek: "agrammatos," meaning they don't even know their letters).
Moreover, the Gospels were all written anonymously, in Greek, for Gentile audiences. None of the writers were eyewitnesses. Paul's letters were written first, starting around 40 CE. He reportedly actually met some of the disciples, but he never writes much about the life of Jesus. As for the gospels which do, we don't know who wrote them, and the traditional attributions to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John weren't in place until around 180 CE. Mark was the earliest gospel, written just after 70 CE, because it makes reference to the destruction of the temple, and John the latest, probably sometime around 100-120 CE. None of the gospel authors state that they were eyewitnesses to anything, and their accounts often conflict.
Again, you don't have to take my word for it. You can read any number of easily accessible books or articles by peer-reviewed biblical scholars. Or there's Wikipedia, which does a great job of distilling many factual sources into cohesive articles.
ancianita
(36,254 posts)Because the scripture he read from was Hebrew and the Jews spoke Hebrew.
In the synagogues as was the custom, Jesus stood, read and taught from the Hebrew scrolls. Throughout his ministry, Jesus's quoting and teaching from the Hebrew Bible appealed to his Jewish audiences and reinforced his authority.
Jesus spoke Aramaic words that his Greek New Testament writers referred to:
Abba = "Father" (Mark 14:36); raca = "fool" (Matt 5:22, KJV); mammon = "money" (Matt 6:24; Luke 16: 9, 11,13 KJV); Talith koum, = "little girl... get up" (Mark 5:41); Eloi, Eloi, lemá sabachtháni = "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" (Psalm of David 22 and Matt 27:45-54)
Greek speaking Jews lived in Galilee and Jerusalem (Acts 9:28, 29), and it's likely that Jesus conversed with them in Greek during the Jewish festivals of Passover, etc. Jesus encountered people from the Decapolis (ten Greek towns) and the Greek town Sepphoris was less than 5 miles from his hometown of Nazareth.
His apostles spoke Hebrew and Greek. The Septuagint shows that. It also shows that, during and after Pentacost, the apostles were empowered to speak the language of whatever Gentile country they were in. Including Paul, former Jewish Pharisee, who could write to the churches of Rome in Latin and to the churches of Corinth, Galatia, Philippi, etc., in Greek.
The Jews wondered during the Babylonian captivity, how to worship God away from the temple. To their surprise they discovered that God could make Himself known beyond Jerusalem, even beside the River Chebar in Babylon (Ezekial 1:1; 3:14)
Rather than depend on the priests and the temple rituals, the Jews began to value those who could read and interpret God's Word -- a tradition that continued after they returned from the Babylonian captivity to their homeland.
They set up synagugues as houses of worship in their hometowns. The word "synagogue" is based on two Greek terms: syn (pronounced "soon), which refers to a union, companionship, association or being beside others, and ago, which means to bring or lead. The verb form of the word can also refer to convening a group OR drawing up a fishing net.
Synagogue worship always included an assigned Scripture reading, in which God
a) spoke to his people;
b) prayer, when God's people spoke to Him, and
c) preaching or teaching, when God's people encouraged one another in the faith. Like the printing press increased human literacy, the synagogues of Jesus' day brought reading and worship to the people. It was the most impactful religious institution for most Jews in Jesus's day. Synagogues encouraged lay participation, also. Laymen could read the Scripture passage for the service, and then another of their choosing, and worshippers could ask questions or challenge them as they taught.
So. No. Many were illiterate, but literacy became contagious. They were not an illiterate people.
Jesus announced who he was when he read the passage below from Isaiah 61, written about 750 years before Jesus stood in the synagogue of Nazareth. Before him had been so many generations, dying off without seeing the fulfillment of God's promise. And now ...
Isaiah 61 was about his messianic prophecy, one God's people would have been familiar with. It was one of the promises they'd clung to about God's coming chosen One through all the years of captivity & oppression, through destruction of the temple, and through the occupation by the Romans. It was a passage of hope, that talked about giving sight to the blind, freedom to the captives, and bringing in the "year of the Lord's favor."
That day God kept his word, it just wasn't in the time or fashion the Jews had come to expect.
From Luke, the historian, who wrote Luke 4:20-21 (He also wrote Acts of the Apostles):
"He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the atttendant, and sat down. And the eyes of the everyone in the synagogue were fixed on him. He began by saying to them, "Today as you listen, this Scripture has been fulfilled."
Bam. In other words, "I am Him. I'm the one you have waited for. And you are bearing witness to the fulfillment of these very words."
He'd come from their own small town of Nazareth. They loved the pronouncement. But later in Luke we read that they shifted dramatically to frustration, anger and violence. Why? Because they did not expect this kind of Messiah. They's assumed He would be a political, powerful leader who'd conquer their enemies. But Jesus challenged their assumptions. As he has challenged ours ever since.
The gospel writers' accounts supplement different details but remain in core agreement about what they and others witnessed. They knew the eyewitnesses of Jesus' resurrection. I've got all kinds of books, along with Wikipedia, to study, thanks.
Thanks for your post. (sorry mine was delayed; been taking calls and busy with home projects)
Otterdaemmerung
(79 posts)No, the Jews spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew. By the time of Jesus, the speaking of Hebrew was all but dead, which is why the dominant form of the Hebrew Scriptures at that time was the Septuagint, in Greek. Hebrew wouldn't be revived until after the destruction of the Temple, during the rabbinic era, when the Masoretic Text would be produced. Jesus only likely knew only what Hebrew words were spoken in the synagogue ritually, and he would have had little to no schooling in how to read, as he grew up in rural Nazareth, not in a larger city where literates would have congregated and taught. What little he knew of the Hebrew Bible would have been what he would have previously committed to memory:
( https://ehrmanblog.org/how-many-people-were-literate-in-antiquity/ )
"From Luke, the historian"
Luke's gospel, and Acts, are literary creations of more than sixty years hence; and like the rest of the gospels, not meant to be what we would today consider historically accurate documents.
"The word "synagogue" is based on two Greek terms"
True, but Jews in Israel didn't refer to their non-temple houses of worship as synagogues until well into the 1st century CE.
"Including Paul, former Jewish Pharisee, who could write to the churches of Rome in Latin"
Neither Romans nor any of the rest of Paul's letters, disputed or undisputed, were written in Latin. Paul didn't know Latin. His first language was probably Aramaic, though he was fluent in Greek. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle )
I don't know where you got the rest of your information, but most of your assertions are nowhere represented in the New Testament data, and they smack of theology rather than actual biblical scholarship. So because you don't seem remotely interested in the scholarship, I'll let this discussion end here.
ancianita
(36,254 posts)during Jesus' lifetime? That's not how historical documents and ancient texts come to exist.
I don't know where you get your scholarship, either. We can produce our biblical scholars and works, or continue contentions. Not really helpful.
And your "blatantly false" post that precipitated my long response started a derail here on a Ted Lieu thread that more appropriately belongs in one of the religion threads.
I'll show up there in the future, and if you're there and you'd like to take this up there, fine.
For now, I'm not pursuing your claims and continuing this derail.
Justice matters.
(6,964 posts)The purpose of it was to control the masses at the time, and make a bundle out of it. A hoax that succeeded.
ancianita
(36,254 posts)events that were told and/or written about by direct eyewitnesses.
This was a new rational monotheism with a 2,000 year history of writings of that struggle of a people to come to god consciousness.
Cults always need a solid object/person of worship; someone/something they can see, who makes "rules" they can easily follow and obey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
Elessar Zappa
(14,162 posts)Being a Christian doesnt mean being in a cult unless it meets certain criteria. Within Christianity, Jehovahs Witnesses are close as are a few other sects.
TeamProg
(6,409 posts)c-rational
(2,604 posts)trying cover? There ought not be such anxiety and angst about, the likes of which I have never felt before.
Martin68
(23,037 posts)czarjak
(11,375 posts)But relies on intuition.
Justice matters.
(6,964 posts)Seems like it was all lies, and still are.
czarjak
(11,375 posts)The Donald's society not so much. His oath is to himself. Greedy bastard. At least W believes in spreading the wealth. To the worthy.
patphil
(6,273 posts)I mean, they spend a huge amount of time and money trying to find it, and pass all sorts of laws to prevent it, but never actually show any proof of it.
The tiny amount of actual fraud is usually done on the individual level; someone voted for another family member who either died, or isn't capable of voting, or someone had residences in two states so they voted twice.
This small amount of voter fraud almost never rises to the level of changing the result of an election.
But it always seems to rise to the level of being a huge campaign issue for Republicans.
And now, since there is no physical proof of fraud, we travel into the Twilight Zone of "intuitive" knowledge of fraud.
Mike Johnson is an incredible piece of work.
czarjak
(11,375 posts)Except for that time I coulda been Homeroom President. I was robbed.