Breaking: A+ Rated marist national poll. Sanders 31. Bloomberg 19. Biden 15

Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:35 AM

Polybius (9,845 posts)

1. Very interesting

31% is huge with all of those candidate still running. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:41 AM

honest.abe (6,272 posts)

2. Wow Bloomberg ahead of Biden.

Remarkable. It will be interesting to see how Bloomberg handles himself in the debate. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:54 AM

Bumperstickers (199 posts)

3. I would be shocked if Bloomberg enters a debate

Once he's hammered by all the dem candidates for stop and frisk ect... He will drop behind Biden and most of the remaining field. He has not been vetted or slammed by tv ads yet, but we know it's coming. His best play is to stay off the debate stage as long as possible and hope his huge tv ad budget over powers what ever the others can counter with. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:41 AM

honest.abe (6,272 posts)

7. "If Mike qualifies, he will debate," Bloomberg spokeswoman Galia Slayen told The Hill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483292-speculation-swirls-around-whether-bloomberg-will-make-las-vegas-debate Bloomberg has handled these controversies before. But yes, it could get ugly. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:43 AM

Renew Deal (79,994 posts)

8. He got re-elected in NY twice despite stop and frisk

I think people are overestimating its negative impact If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:46 AM

Nanjeanne (4,065 posts)

19. I think we underestimate the power of money.

There was a fascinating discussion on Democracy Now yesterday by a journalist who has covered Bloomberg for years about the difficulty people have in going against Bloomberg when he has given so many millions to their organizations or campaigns. They talked about the organizations that were for term limits until Bloomberg donated big bucks to them and a few months later when he wanted his third term, changed their objections. They had a current DNC member who had worked for CEnt for Am Progress and was writing a report on NYPD Surveillance of Muslims and after CAP got money from Mike they had to censor their report. Both videos are on Democracy Nowks website. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:36 AM

Renew Deal (79,994 posts)

20. Thanks for the tip

And that makes a lot of sense. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Nanjeanne (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:10 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

34. In addition to the racism and misogyny, Bloomberg's been bribing people for decades.

A lot of folks don't know yet just how awful Bloomberg is. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:36 PM

Nanjeanne (4,065 posts)

38. Yes - and interesting that his "charitable" donations to political organizations increased 5 times

in the last year. Coincidence . . . I think not. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:38 AM

MineralMan (144,116 posts)

21. Watch the debate tomorrow.

Bloomberg will be onstage. So much for that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:06 AM

progressoid (46,853 posts)

4. Bloomberg is the flavor of the week.

Moderates have been bouncing around from candidate to candidate hoping that one of them will rise to the top and stay there. Let's see how he does at the next debate and issues of work place harassment NDAs becomes more widely know. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:22 AM

duforsure (11,599 posts)

5. Bloomberg is knocking Biden and possibly Warren

Down to where they'll be getting desperate to hang onto their donors now. Biden and Warren are dropping in the polls , and both need to look at changes or risk losing their bids. I do think Bidden's in trouble now. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to duforsure (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:30 AM

IluvPitties (3,181 posts)

6. And so are Amy and Pete.

Moderates need to coalesce around one candidate. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:44 AM

honest.abe (6,272 posts)

9. I dont see any one candidate to coalesce around.

I thought Bloomberg might have been it but he really has some serious baggage. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:47 AM

IluvPitties (3,181 posts)

10. Biden, Amy or Pete.

Bloomberg seems to have some serious problems. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:50 AM

honest.abe (6,272 posts)

11. I wish it were Biden but he is in reverse.

Amy and Pete are great but they aren't connecting with AA voters. I dont know what the answer is but we need to figure it out soon. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:31 AM

UniteFightBack (8,231 posts)

14. Black folks will move to Bloomberg, warts and all. nt

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:37 AM

Ace Rothstein (2,633 posts)

16. Looks like quite a few AA's are moving to Sanders based on the cross-tabs.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:41 AM

Turin_C3PO (8,455 posts)

18. It looks they may be moving to Sanders, actually.

I’m mad because Bloomberg is costing Biden the nomination and he’s, IMO, our best shot against Trump. Edit: Whoops, looks like the poster above me said the exact same thing about African American support. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

DemocratSinceBirth (97,797 posts)

23. Joe is in real trouble

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287532548 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:04 PM

MoonlitKnight (1,580 posts)

33. Warren is the choice

She should shine in the debate vs Bloomberg. She can unify the party and beat Trump. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:03 AM

brooklynite (79,473 posts)

12. African American cross tab...

Link to tweet ?s=20 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:36 AM

Tom Rinaldo (22,356 posts)

15. This is a stunning figure if it in fact is true

It paints a very different picture as the primaries head south this year to what was true in 2016. The African American vote can't be said to solidly line up behind any single candidate, it is divided four ways, with Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg, and "Other" each pulling in a major share. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:13 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

35. Bloomberg can buy support in the short-term...come November, he'd be doomed.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:56 PM

DanTex (20,709 posts)

28. And among "non-white" voters the numbers are

Bernie 34% Biden 21% Bloomberg 19% So, assuming that the majority of the "non-white" category consists of black and latino, that's a very strong latino showing for Bernie. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to DanTex (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:10 PM

apcalc (4,314 posts)

30. And they won't go for Sanders if what I'm reading on

Social media is true. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:28 AM

Voltaire2 (10,350 posts)

13. Biden's collapse is stunning

if you ignored the history of his prior attempts. What I can’t ignore is how the self appointed experts who were selling us Biden turned on a dime and rebranded to Bloomberg. All without a hint of embarrassment at how utterly wrong they were. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:38 AM

Ace Rothstein (2,633 posts)

17. Biden was inevitable until he wasn't.

Or something like that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:16 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

37. Ignoring his previous attempts was always foolish. I've been saying for more than a year...

...Biden is simply not a good presidential candidate. Never has been. Thanks to Obama, he's doing much better this year than he's ever done before, but that's not saying much. That said, he's infinitely better than Bloomberg, who is just a terrible, terrible person. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:47 AM

BusyBeingBest (6,604 posts)

24. This is a new ball game.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:44 PM

Baclava (11,237 posts)

25. Not just a game, a whole new league is forming

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:49 PM

totodeinhere (12,702 posts)

26. Strong second place for Sanders among AA voters. He only trails Biden by three points.

That's a recipe for a Sanders upset in South Carolina. If Bernie wins both Nevada and South Carolina he may be unstoppable going into Super Tuesday. And he is leading in the biggest prize of them all, California. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:00 PM

Demsrule86 (60,347 posts)

39. It doesn't matter, once the we have one moderate which is looking like Bloomberg...the AA vote

Last edited Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1) is already throwing support towards Bloomberg... I listen to sirius and I hear called after caller at the end of the week who said this. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:12 PM

totodeinhere (12,702 posts)

42. Your evidence is only anecdotal.

As I already said, it's remarkable that Bernie is so close to Biden in this poll. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 12:40 PM

Demsrule86 (60,347 posts)

43. He started at nothing and is now tied with Sanders in various state polls and even some national

polls...that is not anecdotal...he will surpass Sanders if Biden doesn't win Carolina and do fairly well in Nevada. I will throw my support to Bloomberg he can save the house and campaign for our senate nominees unlike Sanders...already McSally is using Sanders in her campaign ads against our candidate. All other moderates need to drop out and then Sanders is toast. I want a nominee that can win. I would prefer Biden but Bloomberg will do. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 01:55 PM

mr_lebowski (27,203 posts)

27. If one assumes Warren voters gravitate to Bernie and the rest gravitate to Bloomberg ...

Bloomberg ends up winning based on these numbers. Granted, that's a huge simplification there, but a basic calculation that I'd imagine a lot of people are considering. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:58 PM

Bumperstickers (199 posts)

31. Every major poll taken throughout this election

That asked the question about second choice had Biden and Warrens second choice being Sanders. So he would have 58 to Bloomberg's 38.. A 20 point lead. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:03 PM

mr_lebowski (27,203 posts)

32. You're saying every single Biden/Warren answered that way?

Cause that would need to be the case for your numbers to work the way you present them. What about the Biden and Warren voters that had Warren and Biden as #2? There was nobody? I rather doubt that. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:01 PM

Demsrule86 (60,347 posts)

40. I doubt that is true anymore...after how Sander's campaign has behaved towards both of them...

I know as a Biden supporter, I would never support Sanders in a primary. I will vote for Bloomberg if I have to. Sanders only in a general. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:13 PM

Bumperstickers (199 posts)

36. I was going based on your simplified assumption

All voters besides Warren's would go to Bloomberg. No, Biden and Warren's second choice Waa the highest percentage for Sanders, but Pete, Amy and Styer also had some voter's going to Sanders, but at a lower percentage. So to say all moderate dems are all gonna jump to the next moderate dem does not Show up in polls. If you look at this Marist poll, Sanders gained 9 and Biden lost 9 since the last poll by marist in December. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Bumperstickers (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:03 PM

Demsrule86 (60,347 posts)

41. Sanders personally stabbed Warren in the back...with the script and saying she was lying at the

debate so I don't think all Warren supporters will got to Sanders...I see few here that definitely won't. This is a beat Trump election and not about ideology. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Bumperstickers (Original post)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:05 PM

flamingdem (38,719 posts)

29. Wednesday's debate has become massively important

Biden must have an exceptional night. Bloomberg must give answers and connect with voters. Bernie is in good shape and just needs to come off as sane. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 19, 2020, 01:55 PM

squirecam (2,706 posts)

44. It has always been so

Nt If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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