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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,202 posts)
42. I would add that the foundations of liberalism / conservatism are the same
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 12:18 PM
Feb 2024

(This is in American context and gets weaker as an analysis when one considers that 50% of people are less intelligent than the median.)

Both groups are founded on Love of Family, Love of State & Country, and the Necessity for Justice.
Both groups, not debased deplorable versions, both groups also have empathy.

People in both groups may add Love of God as they wish, of course, but that love binds the religious person and there must be no binding of people outside of that religion.

Where the two groups diverge is at the application of public funds to help people. Liberals more in favour than Conservatives of it, but both groups want some amount of help to flow from government revenues (taxes).

The divergence is based on moralism. Conservatives think that people who get stuff for free don't value it and strive less. Liberals think that it is rather immoral to not give people stuff that would help them, if it can be afforded.

The divergence can mostly be healed by convincing most people of the fact that helping some helps all. This includes things like infrastructure and protecting "The Commons" (the environment ).

I say that a nation / country / civilization is ideally judged by the level of its lowest classes and not by the splendour of its highest classes.

Brave of you to broach the topic with a stranger. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #1
Did you miss the part about the other guy broached the subject? niyad Feb 2024 #18
I saw it. Still have to choose to engage. I ignore political bait all the fucking time. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #44
That isn't what your post said, though. niyad Feb 2024 #45
That is what the post said. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #47
You need to reread the post. The other guy started off. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #55
My thoughts exactly. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #70
Difference of Opinion. Beowulf42 Feb 2024 #49
That's exactly right Beowulf42 montanacowboy Feb 2024 #66
Yes. It's so bad that it drove the publisher of Wonkette soldierant Feb 2024 #76
Thanks for sharing StayAheadOTheWeather Feb 2024 #2
Hey, glad you braved the cold and started posting! Hope to see more niyad Feb 2024 #22
You an over the road truck driver like MarineCombatEngineer? KS Toronado Feb 2024 #3
Just got done parking in a truck stop in Seattle, WA. and saw this thread MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #79
You're very brave. I don't talk to strangers any more than necessary for obvious reasons * Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #4
Since the other trucker broached the subject, it was a fairly safe bet. niyad Feb 2024 #23
Yes it was. Strange some did not see that. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #56
Dear god, people. krkaufman Feb 2024 #67
Now we're smiling, too, imanamerican63!! Leghorn21 Feb 2024 #5
Conservativism is respectable. Take-no-prisoners maga connedservatives are utterly deplorable Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #6
I've always said that there's nothing wrong with real, actual, traditional conservatism. Aristus Feb 2024 #35
Nice ying-yang meme on Liberal/Conservative. Reminds me of Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #38
I'm fifty-five. Liberal until I DIE! Aristus Feb 2024 #39
Older than you but ALSO Liberal til I die! calimary Feb 2024 #52
... Aristus Feb 2024 #53
I would add that the foundations of liberalism / conservatism are the same Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2024 #42
Condensed from the time of McGovern - Goldwater... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #51
I agree. We should label Social Security and Medicare as being conservative. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #57
"Take-no-prisoners maga connedservatives are utterly deplorable"...totally agree. nt mitch96 Feb 2024 #62
Thanks for sharing this! BlueMTexpat Feb 2024 #7
They do seem to like their senator whose democratic. jimfields33 Feb 2024 #8
From what I hear, people BlueMTexpat Feb 2024 #16
Lived in MT when Tester was running AKwannabe Feb 2024 #24
He could use BlueSky3 Feb 2024 #48
Thompson Falls jayschool2013 Feb 2024 #9
Wishing her all possible success. niyad Feb 2024 #21
Sometimes, working people realize from whose ranks Biden comes, and from whose ranks Trump doesn't come. DFW Feb 2024 #10
That is a point that needs to be stressed more. Trump was never part of the ranks. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #59
Great story! True Dough Feb 2024 #11
That's a big deal right there. Maybe it will start a fire of reason. We can only hope. BradBo Feb 2024 #12
that's refreshing to hear. Thanks. nt ecstatic Feb 2024 #13
There is hope. Thanks for sharing. How was dinner? twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #14
K&R spanone Feb 2024 #15
Thanks for that PatSeg Feb 2024 #17
Wow, thanks for sharing that very encouraging news! niyad Feb 2024 #19
Meanwhile, the rest are mired in delusions. czarjak Feb 2024 #20
25% of the party now agrees w him. the ground has shifted. mopinko Feb 2024 #25
He woke up! patphil Feb 2024 #26
See? 2naSalit Feb 2024 #27
As I noted below, this is very encouraging. MontanaMama Feb 2024 #33
True. 2naSalit Feb 2024 #36
Just a dusting MontanaMama Feb 2024 #37
The same... 2naSalit Feb 2024 #40
I know. Seems that we pay now MontanaMama Feb 2024 #41
Pretty soon... 2naSalit Feb 2024 #58
It sounds like you lucked out on that one. It could have been quite trying. Firestorm49 Feb 2024 #28
Thanks for sharing. It's good to know this is happening. Martin68 Feb 2024 #29
My folks are done with Trump too underpants Feb 2024 #30
Stories like the post and yours need to be more out in public. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #60
Wow. In NW Montana to boot. MontanaMama Feb 2024 #31
Northern MT here. There are quite a few vocal Dems around here GusBob Feb 2024 #32
This gives me hope Ohioboy Feb 2024 #34
The media will be going to truck stops & talking to folks like him, right? CaptainTruth Feb 2024 #43
When the media doesn't go to those places. The people need to put it out in the public. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #61
encouraging. Thanks for sharing it. Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #46
This is good. mountain grammy Feb 2024 #50
There will be plenty more like him. LiberalFighter Feb 2024 #54
Good to hear!! PortTack Feb 2024 #63
That would be better with a meal than dessert appleannie1 Feb 2024 #64
shades of 24 hours from tulsa lol nt msongs Feb 2024 #65
Did he say anything about Taylor Swift? flying_wahini Feb 2024 #68
his primary results and the size of his incessant rallies barbtries Feb 2024 #69
Sounds like the Montana I was familiar with, in the western part of the state Attilatheblond Feb 2024 #71
Stoey ended differently than i expected Demovictory9 Feb 2024 #72
My question: Where was the guy from? Montana or passing through? NT SayItLoud Feb 2024 #73
what is a GOBers. ? NGeorgian Feb 2024 #74
Biden got 40% in Montana. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #75
Could it be bdamomma Feb 2024 #77
Hey there fellow road warrior, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #78
I live in a condo community cannabis_flower Feb 2024 #80
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